"I'm still looking for some responses from the "trapping experts" as to how they are going to trap these coyotes without catching some guard dogs, herding dogs, and sheep. While they are at it, they should set a bunch or snares too. The antelope fawns and lambs are just the right size now"
Well Cal, I didn't see a post from the "trapping experts" at all in this thread. I saw someone ask a question about it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
In answer to your question about snares, maybe you tell us why ADC guys don't shoot the odd farm dog. They may go rogue someday and start killing sheep!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
"trapping Experts" don't indescriminately set traps or snares, no more than ADC guys shoot anything that moves in order to solve a predation problem.
I don't know what you define as an expert in anything, but I have considerable experience with sheep, guard dogs and killing animals that prey on livestock. I've done nuisance trapping for many years for F/W.
In cases where I'm trapping for fur, I do get incidental by catches of non target animals, but they are few and far between. In cases of nuisance or predation trapping, over several years the incidence of catching non target animals is so small as to be a non issue.
Having a bunch of dogs or ADC men or trappers or amateurs attacking a predation problem, in itself does not necessarily solve the problem. At some point in that scenario, someone has to know what to do and also has to have some luck. Saying I'm a Pro anything doesn't mean diddly. If the ADC guy had done his job in this case, why is an amateur asked to kill a coyote that is
"known " to the shepherd?
I get calls every year from ranchers that have had ADC guys out and still have a problem. I kill some coyotes, without the benefit of CSI and the problem stops. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif I kill everyone I can, until the rancher tells me his losses ahve stopped. I then kill as many as I can through the fall and winter. The problem is usually gone in the spring. There are still coyotes around, but the rancher does not have the losses. If he sees a dead ccalf/lamb and a coyote feeding on it or in the vicinity, I will spend the time to kill that coyote. I won't spend my time on a long trial trying to convince a jury that this coyote is guilty of murder. I won't waste my time giving the rancher a course on coyote population dynamics. I will simple kill the coyoyte that happens to be visiting the calving/lambing pen.
We have no shortage of ranches or coyotes here. If they call me and I do what I do best, then everyone wins, except the coyote of course. And actually if the truth were known the coyote individual loses, but the coyote as a species does win. We avoid the use of poison, and aerial gunning etc.
You guys need to chill and not be so defensive. There are a lot of guys here that are wanting to learn, but wouldn't give you "Pros" the time of day because of the way you deliver your message here.
I think it stinks, for lack of a better word that some members are reluctant to ask questions here because they will be responded to in the way some of these posts have shown.
So unless you ADC guys have a secret organization and handshake and all that stuff,it would be great if you helped educate some of these newbies.
I've been hunting longer than you've been alive. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
I'll bet I could learn a heck of a lot from you.
So how much knowledge do you think you have that would benefit the guys that are just starting, or have only been out 10 times a year for the last ten years. You and I go out more than that in two weeks.
Share the knowledge guys that's why we are here. We are not here to beat on each other.
