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How did I ever make smart purchasing decisions before the internet..........well lets see. I used basic third grade math, a touch of common sense, a bit of shopping 101 I learned from my mother and wala. I don't pay more than I have to, for those who do, it is your money and you can spend it any daxn way you want.
JoshuaN
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Originally Posted By: unloadedI use gunbot.ney and the app AmmoFind. They both track prices and stock of online vendors. They list the price of the ammo package and price/round. Makes it very easy to see how the vendors stack up against each other. Sadly, I'm not the only one using these tools, when ammo at a reasonable price appears it sells out very quickly. Although these tools make it easy to compare prices between vendors, its impossible to know the margins each vendor is working with. Also it would be a strictly personal judgement call on which vendors are being "unethical". An example would be Cabelas, they show up on the list pretty regularly with reasonable priced rimfire ammo. But if you follow the link, there is a "one box per day per customer" limit on the stuff. They claim its to be fair and give everybody a chance to get some. But who is going to buy a 50rd box of 22lr online and pay shipping on top of it? I think the sales tactic is called Loss Leader and there is quite a bit of debate over the ethics of using it. The info is out there and easily seen at a glance, if you add your judgement of the vendor on top of it, don't be surprised if you hear from their lawyers.
I usually have the Cabela's purchases sent to the store and wait until I have a few to pick up. The last orders I put in there I was able to round up 4 bricks total which consisted of 2 CCI Blazer $29 each, and 2 Thunderbolt $24 each.
I usually have the Cabela's purchases sent to the store and wait until I have a few to pick up. The last orders I put in there I was able to round up 4 bricks total which consisted of 2 CCI Blazer $29 each, and 2 Thunderbolt $24 each.
JoshuaN
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Originally Posted By: Tim Neitzke"The info is out there and easily seen at a glance, if you add your judgement of the vendor on top of it, don't be surprised if you hear from their lawyers."
This what I was thinking. Originally Posted By: biggen0_8I appreciate your intent and your efforts. But I would advise some caution in your approach, more and more companies are persuing court cases for slander.
Slander for what exactly? Posting about crappy pricing on product they are getting at the same price they were 3 years ago? It's no different than someone posting their opinion anywhere else about a company. Bring on the lawyers, please! I'm wanting to target more the consumer gougers not so much companies because for example Cabela's still offers reasonable prices if you catch them at the right time as does Sportsmans, and GanderMountain. It's not the companies it's those purchasing from these companies and marking the price up.
This what I was thinking. Originally Posted By: biggen0_8I appreciate your intent and your efforts. But I would advise some caution in your approach, more and more companies are persuing court cases for slander.
Slander for what exactly? Posting about crappy pricing on product they are getting at the same price they were 3 years ago? It's no different than someone posting their opinion anywhere else about a company. Bring on the lawyers, please! I'm wanting to target more the consumer gougers not so much companies because for example Cabela's still offers reasonable prices if you catch them at the right time as does Sportsmans, and GanderMountain. It's not the companies it's those purchasing from these companies and marking the price up.
JoshuaN
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Can I just say one thing? If you don't think it's a good idea don't participate. It's just like this forum, if you don't like a post or don't want to comment you can choose not too. Simple as that. I can guarantee if people do help build the list of gougers they(gougers) will think twice about posting absurd prices for ammo they are stealing from the rest of us.
JoshuaN
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Originally Posted By: Gerbs"So this is YOUR business your pushing?"
"Absolutely not."
"I own a web development company ................ but I will be the main person taking this venture on."
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Originally Posted By: 6724yes, no, yes, maybe?
reminds me of the government trying to legislate morality, it never works.
Curious what kind of business you consider this as being? I'm not asking anyone for money and I'm certainly not selling a service. Maybe I'm missing something here?
"Absolutely not."
"I own a web development company ................ but I will be the main person taking this venture on."
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Originally Posted By: 6724yes, no, yes, maybe?
reminds me of the government trying to legislate morality, it never works.
Curious what kind of business you consider this as being? I'm not asking anyone for money and I'm certainly not selling a service. Maybe I'm missing something here?
Seems to me that part of the problem with re-sale prices being high is that people are getting into the shooting sports and guns in unprecedented numbers. The cheapest route is using a .22 to get started; cheaper guns and ammo. Lots of these folks don't know what .22 ammo cost 4 years ago and are happy to get what they can and are willing to pay for it. Also, there is the fact that other folks don't really shoot all that much, but are gathering up what they can get shipped to the Cabela's store a few bricks at a time. Makes me wonder if they are planning on reselling at a mark up.
UtahShooter
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So if I buy a 2012 Honda Civic for $4,000 and it books at $12,000 I should only ask what I paid for it?
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
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Originally Posted By: UtahShooterSo if I buy a 2012 Honda Civic for $4,000 and it books at $12,000 I should only ask what I paid for it?
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
god I'm glad you said because I was pretty sure I wasn't the only one thinking it.
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
god I'm glad you said because I was pretty sure I wasn't the only one thinking it.
JoshuaN
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Originally Posted By: UtahShooterSo if I buy a 2012 Honda Civic for $4,000 and it books at $12,000 I should only ask what I paid for it?
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
It's not a car or big oil here it's cheap ammo that is supposed to be fun to shoot. These people are making it difficult for others to have fun. These people are also not paying taxes on the money they make which if it's something that's continually happening then they should do it legally as a business. I pay taxes on the money I make do you? Again as I've stated many times in this post if you don't want to participate don't, and if you're ok paying someone twice what they paid that's fine too. If you sell a car for $8000 more than you paid that's your choice albeit shady still your choice. Inflating the price because of a situation you are creating is like a dairy farmer not milking all his cows regularly to make extra cash by shorting the market and that's also shady but hey that's capitalism the best ism right! I like this site so that's all I will say in this reply simply to stay a member.
I used to think like you and would send people messages on our (Utah) local gun sales sights. I finally came to realization that putting in work to get some ammo and then sell for a profit regardless of how much I made was no business of another. If I cannot make a profit on something I intend to sell what is the point of buying it for that purpose? Would you also like to tell me what I can and cannot buy for profit? I tell you there are far more people doing this with different items that you are not voicing an opinion on.
People will pay what they will pay on anything from Cereal to Houses. Perhaps you should go after "Big Oil" as well.
Fair is what one will pay for a particular item. If it is fair for them to pay $50 for 500 rounds of 22lr then let them pay for it. Let these people who do the leg work have the opportunity to make a profit. Capitalism is a great thing and causes competition in the market. In fact it is that competition that makes someone on our local sites only ask $45 instead of the guy just in front of him who is asking $50. People will pay what the market will bear.
Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
"Of course none of us are Greedy. It's only the other fella who is Greedy."
It's not a car or big oil here it's cheap ammo that is supposed to be fun to shoot. These people are making it difficult for others to have fun. These people are also not paying taxes on the money they make which if it's something that's continually happening then they should do it legally as a business. I pay taxes on the money I make do you? Again as I've stated many times in this post if you don't want to participate don't, and if you're ok paying someone twice what they paid that's fine too. If you sell a car for $8000 more than you paid that's your choice albeit shady still your choice. Inflating the price because of a situation you are creating is like a dairy farmer not milking all his cows regularly to make extra cash by shorting the market and that's also shady but hey that's capitalism the best ism right! I like this site so that's all I will say in this reply simply to stay a member.
UtahShooter
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If you fear what your membership status is perhaps you are trying to promote the wrong thing. It does not matter what it is one is selling the principles are the same. Perhaps you should read into what the tax statutes are here in Utah before you pass judgment of "Shady" activity. Your car concept on taxes are not very informative to say the least.
You are clearly putting your emotions into something that does not require it nor want it. Types of name calling and passing judgment on how I perceive things are not up for debate. Matter of fact is emotion should be absolved from these matters. The fundamental right to sell something for a profit does not depend on what you consider to be a "fun activity".
You are clearly putting your emotions into something that does not require it nor want it. Types of name calling and passing judgment on how I perceive things are not up for debate. Matter of fact is emotion should be absolved from these matters. The fundamental right to sell something for a profit does not depend on what you consider to be a "fun activity".
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JoshuaN
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Originally Posted By: UtahShooterIf you fear what your membership status is perhaps you are trying to promote the wrong thing. It does not matter what it is one is selling the principles are the same. Perhaps you should read into what the tax statutes are here in Utah before you pass judgment of "Shady" activity. Your car concept on taxes are not very informative to say the least.
You are clearly putting your emotions into something that does not require it nor want it. Types of name calling and passing judgment on how I perceive things are not up for debate. Matter of fact is emotion should be absolved from these matters. The fundamental right to sell something for a profit does not depend on what you consider to be a "fun activity".
If someone is repeatedly selling ammo for a profit I am certain they are required to both have a registered business and pay taxes on that business in the state of Utah and federal taxes. Feel free to share a link to information otherwise. It's certainly not what I'm promoting here but what I'd like to reply back to you.
You are clearly putting your emotions into something that does not require it nor want it. Types of name calling and passing judgment on how I perceive things are not up for debate. Matter of fact is emotion should be absolved from these matters. The fundamental right to sell something for a profit does not depend on what you consider to be a "fun activity".
If someone is repeatedly selling ammo for a profit I am certain they are required to both have a registered business and pay taxes on that business in the state of Utah and federal taxes. Feel free to share a link to information otherwise. It's certainly not what I'm promoting here but what I'd like to reply back to you.
it constantly amazes me that some people can proclaim themselves to be politically conservative (although this guy did not) while calling for socialist market controls. sure it annoys me when people get to walmart at opening and clean out their stock of ammo and then offer it up for sale at ridiculous prices, BUT, I could get up early on thursday and drive to town and get in line for "my share".
small mom and pop dealers have usually had higher prices on ammo and guns around here, they probably also pay higher prices for their products due to lower sales volume. should they be held out on some website as gougers"
capitalism is a great thing and works amazingly well, it has been molested enough in this country for it to be hardly recognizable in some markets. the last thing i want is for somebody to tell me what i have to sell a product for. after that the "market police" will tell me what product i can manufacture. i don't care what the reason, the market should determine pricing!
i have heard that it is illegal for a business in an area where a major disaster has hit to sell a generator for "excessive" price. what a fine example of tamping down the american way. a business owner has the foresight to stock up on items that will be in high demand if a storm hits, he has a pile of money invested in stock, if the storm does not hit, he takes it in the shorts. but if the storm does hit, he is not allowed to charge what the market will bear!
although josuas's intent is noble? we do not need more intervention in the market.
if joshua would love to tell us how he purchase 4000 rounds for a good price, why doesn't he? my guess is that this new website will some how make money off of that info, or charge sellers to sell their product. if so, who will come along and tell him how much profit he can make off the seller?
small mom and pop dealers have usually had higher prices on ammo and guns around here, they probably also pay higher prices for their products due to lower sales volume. should they be held out on some website as gougers"
capitalism is a great thing and works amazingly well, it has been molested enough in this country for it to be hardly recognizable in some markets. the last thing i want is for somebody to tell me what i have to sell a product for. after that the "market police" will tell me what product i can manufacture. i don't care what the reason, the market should determine pricing!
i have heard that it is illegal for a business in an area where a major disaster has hit to sell a generator for "excessive" price. what a fine example of tamping down the american way. a business owner has the foresight to stock up on items that will be in high demand if a storm hits, he has a pile of money invested in stock, if the storm does not hit, he takes it in the shorts. but if the storm does hit, he is not allowed to charge what the market will bear!
although josuas's intent is noble? we do not need more intervention in the market.
if joshua would love to tell us how he purchase 4000 rounds for a good price, why doesn't he? my guess is that this new website will some how make money off of that info, or charge sellers to sell their product. if so, who will come along and tell him how much profit he can make off the seller?
Overwatcher
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I'm sorry, but why would I want to waste my time trying to figure out who has expensive scalper ammo? I know what I'm willing to pay for it,and if its a crap deal I move on.Others are willing to pay more then me and I can't stop that.
Im all for ways to drive down the cost and yes gougers are irritating,but at least they are willing to sell.What about the hoarders?. www.ammohorderscum.com?
Not trying to bag it,but don't see the dynamic.
Im all for ways to drive down the cost and yes gougers are irritating,but at least they are willing to sell.What about the hoarders?. www.ammohorderscum.com?
Not trying to bag it,but don't see the dynamic.
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