2MG... you are an intellectual whirling dervish... you says something, and when you get caught, you change sides and say the opposite, and you argue both sides from the middle - it is easy to disagree with you on this one, because no matter what anyone says. you have said the opposite, and then the opposite to that, then the opposite to that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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...and features a shorter throat for improved accuracy
I believe that is actually incorrect.
It is incorrect...
The throat is longer to tale some of the longer military ammo.
So it can't be short and long at the same time.
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You are incorrect. The Wylde throat IS shorter.
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Cat--The NATO throat is longer to take the longer military ammo. You know NATO=Military. Get it?
Military ammo has NOTHING to do with why Bill Wylde designed the chamber. It was designed as a MATCH chamber. Less slop, tighter tolerances, shorter throat, less bullet jump, = greater accuracy.
Period.......
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And then, in a moment of blindness, you can't see the chart that everyone else sees...
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What chart?
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Then you say... (which is WRONG)
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The Wylde chamber has NOTHING to do with military applications nor seating longer bullets. It is a MATCH chamber cut to tighter tolerances than NATO with a shorter throat meaning less bullet jump for greater accuracy. THE END.......
Boy... BIG WRONGNESS HERE - these are not benchrest rifles, the "223 match" chamber is cut for "Across the course" rifles, and the match chamber is to shoot 75, 80, and 90 grain bullets at 600 and 1,000 yds - the throat is long because these stages are shot single loaded, and the bullets are seated WAY out - Sinclair makes special feeders for these rounds in "match shooting".. but since you don't shoot these matches, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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No. The Wylde is just a .223 with a chamber cut with more leade so you can shoot the longer bullets without hitting the rifling.
This is NOT correct.......
He has it right, and you disagree - and you are wrong!!
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Why would a chamber designed to be a match chamber be more sloppy? That is EXACTLY what the NATO chamber is. NATO brass is thicker, therefore neck tolerances are greater than 223. Throats are longer due to fact that they do not want to get a case "stuck" due to excessively long brass.
The Wylde chamber is LESS sloppy, with a SHORTER throat. RRA did not misprint it in their ad. It is TRUE.......
Now you have done a 180 and say that the throat is LONGER (that means that you have totally changed your argument /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif) And you now claim that military brass is sloppy /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif that's funny, QC at lake city is tighter than at Rem or the other commercial makers - but you needed an out to excuse changing your mind.
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NATO chamber is ALREADY excessively large or "sloppy" when firing 223 and purposely for feeding issues, AND for potentially excessively long brass issues. In other words, in order to be reliable in all conditions. MIL-SPEC. WHY would anyone dream of making it more "sloppy"? Please, let me know.......
Lookie here... here's the numbers.
But since you can't seem to be able to read the chart.
223 Match -- base dia 0.3779" -- shoulder dia 0.3568" -- neck at body 0.2510" -- neck at mouth 0.2510" -- base to case mouth 1.7600" -- neck length 0.2034" -- free bore -- 0.0680"
Wilde -- base dia 0.3810" -- shoulder dia 0.3572" -- neck at body 0.2566" -- neck at mouth 0.2558" -- base to case mouth 1.7726" -- neck length 0.2228 -- free bore -- 0.0619"
Nato -- base dia 0.3803" -- shoulder dia 0.3560" -- neck at body 0.2550" -- neck at mouth 0.2550" -- base to case mouth 1.7750" -- neck length 0.2180 -- free bore -- 0.0500"
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In the body base, the Wilde chamber is Larger (sloppier) than either the 223 Match or the NATO (how do you get sloppier than NATO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
At the shoulder, the Wilde chamber is Larger (sloppier) than either the 223 Match or the NATO (how do you get sloppier than NATO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
In the neck at the body, the Wilde chamber is Larger (sloppier) than either the 223 Match or the NATO (how do you get sloppier than NATO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
In the neck at the mouth, the Wilde chamber is Larger (sloppier) than either the 223 Match or the NATO (how do you get sloppier than NATO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
In the base to case mouth, the Wilde chamber is 0.126" longer than the match, and 0.024" shorter than the NATO.
In the neck length, the Wilde chamber is 0.01" Longer than the NATO, and 0.246" longer than the match /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif (how do you get sloppier than NATO /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)
In the free bore, the Wilde chamber is 0.119 longer than the NATO, and 0.061 shorter than the match (because the match chamber is designed to shoot loooong bullets, as said above.
So, 2MG, the Wylde is LARGER in most dimentions... id est, "Sloppier"!
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You seem to have a very large problem with these threads - you make stuff up, trying to sound like an expert, and when you get caught, you lash out at the person that caught you. It's not me, you have a problem with EVERYBODY... like your 22-250 thread - you make this stuff up as you go along!
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2MG... you're still dancin' and jivin'...
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For this, you get awarded an new prize...