This Is extremely Dangerous To Our Republic

Sometimes I wish the buttons would stop working, if only for a couple months. The first year I moved out of my parents place I was 18 and we got a nasty storm that took the power out just about everywhere, most places only a couple days some for two weeks, our neighborhood went 7 days without power. For the two years I was there I think that was the best week I spent there. The four of us were fresh kids out of high school and all of us this was our first several months away from living with parents, we were party animals. We were new to the area and it was a slightly sketchier part of town that still had some of the original residents but also a mix of some of the shadier inner city folks spreading out. But that week almost all of us got together, we would set up a grill at the end of our driveway and people would come grill with us, we were cooking dinner for our next door neighbor who was a WW2 vet who just lost his wife, the neighbors across the street had a generator and let us store food in their freezer and when we were done with dinner we would go a couple doors down and spend the night drinking Tecate cervezas with a group of Mexicans that all gathered at one house. That [beeep] power came back a week later and we nearly never talked to any of them again, I spent the next year and a half hoping for a storm to come by and tear things down again.

Technically speaking IQs are on the rise, many people may not know a dang thing about reality but they never have had to know anything about reality. There are a few that know a lot and there are many more than that that could pick it up quickly if shown how.

The one benefit to things getting so bad so quickly is that people are picking up on it, we just need to get people to pick up on it faster than they can pump out socialized techno geeks that have a nervous breakdown without safe places. Just have to stay optimistic, it's really hard to hide the truth and that's what's been going on for a while now, Trump beat hillary, that was no small feat.
 
Originally Posted By: TnslimIMO probably less than 5% of today's youth would survive if the electric grid collapsed as they would have absolutely no clue how to make it without a working phone. How many of today's young folks know how to can foods.....very few probably. Grow a garden, no way. How many have disaster plans ready? 5% is probably being generous. Farm kids would have the best chance but city dwellers where the vast majority of kids live would be in deep poopoo.

Do you honestly believe any city dweller, regardless of age, could survive a grid collapse?
 
I ran across these comments from unknown persons about the you tube shooter. I thought they were pretty good and sort of what we were talking about here.

The fact that nobody has come back from the future and un-invented social media is proof that A,time travel is not possible,or B,humanity destroys itself before figuring it out.

Shooter was supposed to be vegan.

I am a second hand vegetarian.
Cows eat grass,I eat cows.
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater
Do you honestly believe any city dweller, regardless of age, could survive a grid collapse?

I'm a city dweller. And I bet I could. Lots of my city dwelling neighbors could too. Lots of them.

- DAA
 
OK; I've read the entire three pages and I am getting the message that the "young folks" are of the opinion that us "old folks" have created a situation that can best be described as FUBAR.

So far, since we have admittedly been painting with a very broad brush here, it seems that the "young folks" must have a solution to resolve this problem.

We have all been patiently awaiting some enlightenment as to the specific solution to the dilemma. Oh, and it would be great if we could continue by omitting any pointing fingers, as I suspect that we "old folks" have had a bit of help along the road to this mess.
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Originally Posted By: hm1996OK; I've read the entire three pages and I am getting the message that the "young folks" are of the opinion that us "old folks" have created a situation that can best be described as FUBAR.

So far, since we have admittedly been painting with a very broad brush here, it seems that the "young folks" must have a solution to resolve this problem.

We have all been patiently awaiting some enlightenment as to the specific solution to the dilemma. Oh, and it would be great if we could continue by omitting any pointing fingers, as I suspect that we "old folks" have had a bit of help along the road to this mess.
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I believe we're coming full circle, and I think a lot of it is due to the amount of information available now.

A product information specialist did a nice run down comparing Gen-X to millennials on TEDxTalk. The very first comparison he made (being a Gen-X'er himself), was that Gen-X were leaning back, slackers, and that millennials are leaning forward, engaged. I've also seen many people claim that millennials want to work towards, or for, something much larger than themselves.

What this means is that while some millennials are liberal, there are a lot that are conservative, too. But, unlike my parents generation, who seemingly vote conservative just because it's tradition, the millennials are taking the time to understand WHY they should vote conservative or liberal. I would say the proof is in the countless Facebook groups, YouTube videos, and again, Ron Paul's overwhelming backing from college universities show that people no longer vote "just because," but because they understand the purpose.

However, if you're going to watch media, then it's going to show you the thousands of protesters who are left leaning and dumber than a box of rocks. Truth is, most of these protesters are not only paid, but shipped from city to city to protest, which means instead of thousands in each city, you simply have the same regurgitated idiots taking up space.

You know, a lot of this also has to do with the more recent up turn in shaming the idiots, and making the intelligent people cool. I can remember having a discussion with my niece, and I made a comment about her being a huge nerd. Apparently it's no longer cool to slack off in school. The slackers are viewed like the nerds were during my school years. The Fonzies are no longer "cool." They're idiots. Now the Bill Gates-like people are the "cool" kids. Weird.

Also, look at this format. No longer can we bring information to the table that's "maybe" true, because someone will out smart you on the net in a debate, providing links and information. So, almost by default people are forced to learn information in order to carry on a meaningful conversation online. I could probably find a slew of YouTube videos showing elderly Hillary supports pushing gun bans, and millennials pushing conservative view points, but you guys aren't going to spend the time watching all of them. I do. My wife and I don't watch the news at night. We watch YouTube news/videos. One of my new favorites is Nuance Bro. This man seemingly picks a neutral side every interview, and it's genius.

But anyways, enough said. The generation before always despises the generation after, and everyone is an idiot from 16-22, so all that matters is where we go from here.
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh Eater

But anyways, enough said. The generation before always despises the generation after, and everyone is an idiot from 16-22, so all that matters is where we go from here.

This sums it up quite well....thank you!
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996
We have all been patiently awaiting some enlightenment as to the specific solution to the dilemma. Oh, and it would be great if we could continue by omitting any pointing fingers, as I suspect that we "old folks" have had a bit of help along the road to this mess.
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A good start to figuring out the problem is understanding how ourselves, each and every one of us is contributing to the problem. First and foremost, take your 112 1/2" flat screen televisions smash them to pieces, film it and post it online for better effect. It's nothing but swill, anyone on TV saying they have the facts has nothing but propaganda to offer, there's even a bill now that allows it. Anyone on TV that is trying to entertain you is actually just distracting you from what is happening around you and keeping you from finding meaningful positive things to do with your time.

Second is to watch where you are shopping, so many dang cheap tight wad "conservatives" are shopping at walmart for everything from their clothes, meals to tires or lawn chairs. Suck it up! Shop somewhere that supports your beliefs even if it costs more. Walmart is sending your money over seas to china and china is sending it back to any group or politician that is trying to turn this county into helpless [beeep] that will clamor for more and more chinese products. I know buying only "Made in USA" is unrealistic but we have got to try, shopping at a pro chinese one stop shop that is selling the cheapest garbage china has to offer so the products break ASAP so you come back for more is disgusting childish "I want, I want, I want" attitude.

Third is we have to understand we are being lied to, deceived and used at every corner of the corporate, entertainment and political world. These big wig operations literally have psychologists on staff to figure out how they can get more and more out of us without us caring. Even if you think they are telling the truth demand proof, they have taken from us for too long, they lie and we get upset until we turn on the TV and see our favorite team win a game or watch our favorite show and an hour later we are appeased again like little children. We need to take responsibility, we have the numbers and the power yet we hand it off like teenagers that are just looking for a good time, it's got to stop. The entertainment industry has gotten trashier and trashier, the politicians worse and worse and products offered to us worse and worse yet more expensive. Give it up, even if it's something you enjoy it's causing a great deal of harm just like a child would eat cake for every meal instead of vegetables.

Edit: When I say "you" or "your" I'm not directing it at you hm, but anyone who is reading it.
 
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I've tried keeping up on this and the more I read the more I get to laughing !

Everybody is in a lump here or there: old people, city dwellers , people with skills. etc.....

The I got skills one really cracks me up ! Most if not all people have skills of some sort, some more than others. I can skin a buck, catch a fish, shingle a house, make my own ammo, plant and grow a garden, fix a plumbing leak...yada..yada...whatever....
I can barley run a computer, hate smart phones( well what people think is ok to pay to use them). Don't know how to rebuild a engine,BUT ! I can read and if needed I could learn to do it.

Problem these days is to many people get stuff handed to them and expect it more and more . They don't know any other way. I'd love for the whole cell phone/www... to go down and stay there. Plenty of other things to do like back in the "old folks" days.

Not sure where the age of "old folks start" but I'm happy to say "they" are the ones that taught me more than school ever did. Heck most my few friends I have are all older than me.

Now that I've rambled on and on I don't really remember what this thread was about.
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I just wish people would do what they like and leave everybody/things they don't like alone.
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Originally Posted By: DAAOriginally Posted By: Flesh Eater
Do you honestly believe any city dweller, regardless of age, could survive a grid collapse?

I'm a city dweller. And I bet I could. Lots of my city dwelling neighbors could too. Lots of them.

- DAA

[beeep] near choked on my lunch reading this !
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI'd love for the whole cell phone/www... to go down and stay there. Plenty of other things to do like back in the "old folks" days.

Coming from someone with over 15,000 posts on a www.forum...
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeI'd love for the whole cell phone/www... to go down and stay there. Plenty of other things to do like back in the "old folks" days.

Coming from someone with over 15,000 posts on a www.forum...

Yep !

This is where I come get to get the current news and laugh my rear off most days! If it was all gone tomorrow ,I'd not care.

Well break is over back to resalt some coyotes for the the tannery.
 
IEATRKS makes some valid points Flesh Eater but blaming all Boomers for the indiscretions of their generation is as wrong as blaming all Millennials for the indiscretions of theirs.
 
To the comment I can grow food, it takes more than being able to grow it. It has to be processed so it can be stored, it also takes a lot of time for it to grow to the stage that it can be eaten. Water, the most precious commodity, as the power goes, so does the water, the water hose to water the garden is useless. At this point you have to depend on mother nature and rainfall.

Oh I can hunt game, oops, I wouldn't bet on that, a lot of other people will be going on that same hunt, natural resources won't be able to replenish at the rate that man depletes the resources.
 
I fail to see where the internet is a much better place to get news than any other place. I wouldn't bet much on any of it being completely true.Any time you have a human involved his message will be slanted to some degree.
I don't think it is good to only get news from one place. And I think there will be some truth sprinkled in most every place.You have to learn to filter considering the source.
I think a lot of people mistake opinion for news.

As for young people I have been guilty of speaking as if all young people are the same. It's hard to not generalize when you hear so much BS from young people and the ones who have their head on straight you don't hear much about.
Why is that?
Well it's because they are working, building,raising kids,trying to make things better and they just don't have time to be involved in much else.
Just like the ones who worked and built that came before them.

What could young people do different?
I don't know how it could ever be done but term limits and low pay for gov office holders would help a lot.
Holding office was not meant to be a life long job.We should be having to visit with good people and beg them to serve a couple years.We should not see millions upon millions spent to get elected.

By the way,I don't know this to be true first hand but I was told congress was able to make time and come together long enough to vote themselves a raise recently.
 
Military industrial complex. Bureaucracy. Bureaucrats.

Term limits, campaign spending, just distractions and ants in the afterbirth. It's just one more thing to take your eye off the ball. Politicians come and go. Who cares...

Money and bureaucrats are forever. Politicos serve the money and the bureaucracy serves itself. If one could eliminate the other, it would. But they can't. So we're stuck with them. So it would seem.

Go get 'em millennials!

The press... News... The internet... Whatever! New tech, new face, on the same old crap. Freedom of the press is a pretty new concept. And terribly misunderstood. All it has ever meant, was that those who OWNED a press, were free to spread as much bull crap as they could afford to spread. For their own gain or the gain of those that employed the press. That's all it means now, too. It's not like there was ever any accountability or lack of fake news. Ever. For the most part though, it seemed to work out okay for you if you were a white protestant. Which was most people with any money at all to spend. Not a white protestant, well, maybe not so much...

What has changed, is everyone owns a printing press now. It was always hard to separate the pepper from the fly chit, but it's dang near impossible for the average schmoe now. Big, big, BIG money in manipulation of opinion. It's "the thing". Big data providing new ways of spreading propaganda and providing confirmation bias at just the right place and just the right time. Facts not relevant. Indeed, propaganda is the main stream, any flavor you desire, at levels would have made Goebbels blush, is the norm. Fear mongering on an industrial scale, heck, fear mongering commoditized. Seriously, you can buy and sell data slices to monger fear like pork belly futures. And the non white, non protestants, my oh my, look at them feeling all empowered and stuff. The gays really showed us all how to play that game. The gay lesson was obviously not lost on our dear NRA, thank goodness.

Money and bureaucrats just loving it all. Too... Rich getting richer, bureaucracy self perpetuating expansion.

Knock it out of the park millennials. It's all on you. Just like it was all on us. Just like it will all be on your kids.

Have fun!

- DAA
 
The amount of food that grows wild is incredible, that's how people survived for thousands of years. The plants that are high maintenance and slow growing are what we have been programed to rely on, they need big farming operations and big money. I guarantee, you ether have edible plants in your yard now and if not it's because morons have sprayed chemicals all over to maintain a useless pristine lawn, because they have been programed by big corporations to do so.

Landscape edibles: Sedum, ferns, hostas, day lilies, barberry, crab apples and echinacea. That's just what's in my yard, there are many more also.

Weeds we curse and spray poison on: Curly dock, broad leaf plantain, lamb's quarter, burdock, nettles, catnip and other mints, purslane, dandelion and that's just what comes to the top of my head because I'm surrounded by it and pick it everywhere. All these pop up with no help, they pop up despite morons spraying poisons.

There's also cat tails and mushrooms in the woods and swamps, heck even toasted poplar/aspen sapwood is pretty good. There's also many more like wild raspberries that grow everywhere, there's a huge list of what we could utilize if we chose to.

Most of these plants are surprisingly delicious, fresh they are usually better than the pesticide sprayed plants you get at the store that have been picked weeks ago and shipped all over. Plus they all can be canned, frozen or pickled for later, and some can be eaten a couple weeks into spring and the rest can be picked and regrow all summer.

Consider the last paragraph of my last post and just how much garbage has been ingrained in the name of someone else profiting. The American lifestyle of the past 50+ years has been about as unnatural as possible, for a reason, profits.

We can change it by ending this lazy consumerist attitude, we don't NEED a [beeep] thing any corporation has to offer.

tnshootist, I agree with having to consider your news sources. That's why I like the internet, in the time the nightly news is on I can get at least a half dozen opinions from different sources about the important events I want to hear about. Instead of a short propaganda filled blurb about something important then a pile of useless news to fill the rest of your time.

 
The way I see it is 16-22 year olds are young, most still trying to figure out what they want to do with their lives. I don’t care about past generations, but the current and future young people should be afforded the freedom act their age. I have twin 16 year old daughters; they don’t blame me or anyone else for the state of the world they are living in. I have taught them morals and right from wrong, I give them the freedom to live their lives as long as they stay within those guidelines. You only live once, enjoy it and all the testosterone that comes with youth. Reminds me of that song; “The Summer of 69”, as messed up as I was; “those were the best years of my life.”

You have the rest of your adult life to focus on all the negative stuff, move mountains, save the world and be a hero in your own mind…
 
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