NEW FLIR ThermoSight RS

Originally Posted By: SkyPupIt has the new 17 micron FLIR TAU-2 microbolometer core with either 336X256 or 640X512 pixels.

Okay, so the 640x480 is only the sensor?

And was my the assumption in my last post correct, that the picture labeled 640 w/ 60mm 1x is actually 2x zoom and the 2x is actually what 4x zoom looks like?
 
I could easy see a human being at 3/4 mile and a car over 1 mile and felt comfortable taking a shot at 300 yards with my .308.
 
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Originally Posted By: bobschauberI see the MSRP. What will they really go for?


Hahahahhhaaaaaa you really think you are gonna get a "DEAL", FLIR is testing the waters to see if people will shell out $1,0000s first. I have asked the same MSRP thing numerous times and NOTTA answer from anybody, I will assume that their is no deal until they sit on the shelves because they are priced so high?

Nothing against FLIR, they make great products, but when you go from $3499 up to $8999 for a few more pixels and a little more zoom?? Really? $5500 difference?

I guess if you have to ask the price you probably can't afford it. The price will come down, just give it time.


Just take the MSRP off of the post and walla! You have the price, when FLIR see's that 1. Thermal & Night Vision equipment is not legal in most states and the price is that of a new car they will either bring the price down or they will come out with a NEW "Improved" lower priced version at a later date.

Give it time and the sales (lack of) will bring the price down. Demand = high or low price and I don't see a huge demand for these.

Currently I have bought a used D740 and I bought a used a PS24, that is all I need for now and it simply works great for me.
 
haha, I think FLIR out thought you on each and every one of those issues which you mentioned....those who need it for land management will all have more than a couple!

The fundamental reason for the research and development and production of the new FLIR RS Thermal weapon scope series was the HUGE success of their Personal Vision Systems line of handheld thermal scanners, whose reliability and utility are next to none, and on the success of these instruments the RS Series were modeled after.

Apparently, based on your comments, you must have figured the handheld scanners would not sell either because no one would use them or pay that much to own them, but yet you own one?

Your assumptions have been proven wrong.
 
I got a video last night with the mini DVR through the FLIR Thermal Scope RS64-60mm of a group of coons at my 175 yard feeder, but mostly it is just for demonstrating how to operate the menu controls to setup the scope for different reticules, different reticule colors, different pallates, white hot/black hot in the different pallets, adjusting screen display brightness, automatic off control setting, and setting default boot up mode.

Will work on getting it organized this week to link to later on.
 
Pup,

You think? - I see you are not 100% sure of your self?

I paid $1,500 for a used PS24, & never once did I say that FLIR products don't work, you assume I said that! Reread the post! I gave a shout out to FLIR and their great line of products.

With that said, nothing has been proven right or wrong! I guess that time will tell?

***Prove me wrong and I will eat a Crow sandwich at night and you can film me with your RS60mm and post it here on PM for all to see:).

Please note that I am talking about the "Average" Joe hunter buying and using these $4k - $9K scopes for predators and small game where applicable. Government contracts are not part of the deal.



Members on this site should be entitled to their own opinion unless of course it differs from yours?


Originally Posted By: SkyPuphaha, I think FLIR out thought you on each and every one of those issues which you mentioned....those who need it for land management will all have more than a couple!

The fundamental reason for the research and development and production of the new FLIR RS Thermal weapon scope series was the HUGE success of their Personal Vision Systems line of handheld thermal scanners, whose reliability and utility are next to none, and on the success of these instruments the RS Series were modeled after.

Apparently, based on your comments, you must have figured the handheld scanners would not sell either because no one would use them or pay that much to own them, but yet you own one?

Your assumptions have been proven wrong.
 
Sorry, no offense meant....but you are a FLIR customer even if you have a used PS-24 that someone first paid MSRP for somewhere. So that is what I mean about things filtering down, even if it was originally purchased on a government contract.

There are plenty of people who hunt hogs/coyote and other legal vermin in Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and other states where night hunting vermin with NV/Thermal is legal and FUN.

You would be amazed at the equipment that some of the people I know have, and not one of each, but two or three of each...

You don't have to eat crow, I apologize for my choice of wording of my reply to your post, just sayin' I think FLIR knows what market they are entering with these scopes.

There were many naysayers that said no one (especially Joe SixPack) would pay thousands for a FLIR PS-24, PS-32, PS-64 to got hog and coyote hunting with either. Now four years later, it is almost a required necessity to possess!

And perhaps you may end up with a used RS64-60mm in 2015 too!!!
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Originally Posted By: SkyPupSorry, no offense meant....but you are a FLIR customer even if you have a used PS-24 that someone first paid MSRP for somewhere. So that is what I mean about things filtering down, even if it was originally purchased on a government contract.

There are plenty of people who hunt hogs/coyote and other legal vermin in Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and other states where night hunting vermin with NV/Thermal is legal and FUN.

You would be amazed at the equipment that some of the people I know have, and not one of each, but two or three of each...

You don't have to eat crow, I apologize for my choice of wording of my reply to your post, just sayin' I think FLIR knows what market they are entering with these scopes.

There were many naysayers that said no one (especially Joe SixPack) would pay thousands for a FLIR PS-24, PS-32, PS-64 to got hog and coyote hunting with either. Now four years later, it is almost a required necessity to possess!

And perhaps you may end up with a used RS64-60mm in 2015 too!!!
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Skypup,

No offense taken nor given, I have commended you many times on my short tenure here at PM. You are a "WISE" veteran and I/we appreciate everything you post! Whether good or bad your information is always informative and constructive to most.

PS - I would like a "USED" RS64-60mm:)


I am looking forward to the DVR clips you took of the Raccoons at 175 yards!! Hurry up already and enjoy your day!
 
I promise that I was not trying to start an argument! I own a retail business and I now the deal about MSRP and the price that things really sell for. I am not by any means saying that the new FLIR products are not worth what they are selling for. I am in the middle of trying to decide which nv set up to go with and I am looking very close at the new thermal scopes myself. I appreciate the opinions and advice from everyone on this board. With that being said lets see that awesome footage!!
 
Just some more FLIR RS Thermal Weapon scope porn....

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So far I have got to say that I really DO LIKE the RS32-35mm lens and the RS32-19mm lens scopes, they actually perform way better than I though they would (very clear with a wide field of view) and are perfectly capable of a 225 yard accurate targeting shot even when magnified, these are the best bang for the buck in thermal that I know.

The two RS64-60mm lens and the RS32-60mm lens are great for long range targeting but you give up allot of FOV in the process, would work excellent out in wide open pastures, agricultural crops, and higher mountain elevations where you had 300+ yards of clear view at night.
 
Here is some info on how close up the non-adjustable objective lens will operate:

15.5 feet for the 19mm lenses (Hyperfcocal distance is 31 feet) to infinity

36.5 feet for the 35mm lenses (Hyperfocal distance is 73 feet) to infinity

From WiKiPedia -> The hyperfocal distance is the closest distance at which a lens can be focused while keeping objects at infinity acceptably sharp. When the lens is focused at this distance, all objects at distances from half of the hyperfocal distance out to infinity will be acceptably sharp.

Did not get info on the 60mm but it would be longer...but the objective is focusable to close-in on closer objects.


Also, parallax is a 100% non-issue with these instruments!
 
Another very important factor for people to consider in their minds is the relation between the core and the lens.

For any 320 core combined with a 35mm or 60mm lens, the FOV will be 1/2 that of what you will get with the 640 core and the same lens.

In other words the 640 core will double your FOV through the same lens.

That is a consideration in function, utility, and price because most of the time my thermal units are being used in their widest FOV mode possible (with least magnification) 98% of the time I am using the instruments in the woods.

Thoughts?
 
Thanks for the post Skypup. I like that the RS32/35 mm can identify target at 225 yds. How far for detection on the RS32/35mm in an open area ? Thanks for your time, Bob
 
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