Monster Whitetail gets dropped with Revolver

Originally Posted By: RockinU If having a feeder makes it just target shooting, then why doesn't everyone who has a feeder have a 170" deer on the wall.

Horn porn as a peace offering to those I pizzed off:

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Did someone say horn porn!

 
Originally Posted By: atdNice!!! Infidel, you must have a solid block wall!

Nope, they are hung using "monkey hooks"... A couple are hung on nails in a stud.. But most are hung in front of Sheetrock...
 
Originally Posted By: atdWhat did the one right above the lamp score? Can't tell if it's a five or a 5x4, anyway dang nice buck.

His brow tine is broke, other than that he is almost perfectly symmetrical... I don't remember exact but he is in the low 150s, to the right, he scored 157 then the next scored 179... The one on the other wall he is 161, the one you can only see half of is a 153, that closest one my daughter shot, he is another one that is very symmetrical he has 160 inches net but has 7 inches of trash on his bases... She shot another this year that was in the 160s with a broke off G2, the taxidermist is going to fix it to match the other side, his other G2 is 11 inches... I have deer on the others walls as well
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Keith Warren is also a deer Farmer himself. Put a deer in a pen no matter how big and feed him lots of 20 percent or higher protein and watch him grow. Then shoot him. No problem. I would rather shoot a mature doe outside the fence.
 
If someone wants to shoot livestock, let them shoot livestock. But don't call it hunting in my opinion. I wouldn't stand in the way of it, but I won't pretend I support it either. Personally, I'd rather shoot a little wild buck free range fair chase than a giant buck someone bought or breed, fed ungodly levels of protein and nutrients to, and then sold the buck for slaughter to the highest bidder (just like livestock). In my opinion, this type of greed does nothing for wildlife, hunting opportunities, or perceptions of hunters.

Again JMHO, but I'll keep my feeder free, high fence free, and fair chase spot and stalk western hunting.
 
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Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogsIf someone wants to shoot livestock, let them shoot livestock. But don't call it hunting in my opinion. I wouldn't stand in the way of it, but I won't pretend I support it either. Personally, I'd rather shoot a little buck free range and fair chase than a giant buck someone bought or breed, fed ungodly levels of protein and nutrients to, and then sold the buck for slaughter to the highest bidder (just like livestock). In my opinion, this type of greed does nothing for wildlife, hunting opportunities, or perceptions of hunters.

Again JMHO, but I'll keep my feeder free, high fence free, and fair chase spot and stalk western hunting.

Wait, what? So free range livestock ISN'T livestock???
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Originally Posted By: KizmoOriginally Posted By: bigsky_songdogsIf someone wants to shoot livestock, let them shoot livestock. But don't call it hunting in my opinion. I wouldn't stand in the way of it, but I won't pretend I support it either. Personally, I'd rather shoot a little buck free range and fair chase than a giant buck someone bought or breed, fed ungodly levels of protein and nutrients to, and then sold the buck for slaughter to the highest bidder (just like livestock). In my opinion, this type of greed does nothing for wildlife, hunting opportunities, or perceptions of hunters.

Again JMHO, but I'll keep my feeder free, high fence free, and fair chase spot and stalk western hunting.

Wait, what? So free range livestock ISN'T livestock???
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I'm not sure how you deduced that from what I posted considering the context it was used in, but it is quite the opposite. Livestock is livestock. The only part mentioning free range is in regard to my preference of shooting a little wild buck than a big penned buck, and while free range may not have been the best choice of word, I am sure you knew what I meant. I will however change it to wild so as to be more clear.
 
Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs
The only part mentioning free range is in regard to my preference of shooting a little wild buck than a big penned buck....

And therein lies the root cause for people spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to high fence a piece of property.

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Originally Posted By: KizmoOriginally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs
The only part mentioning free range is in regard to my preference of shooting a little wild buck than a big penned buck....

And therein lies the root cause for people spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to high fence a piece of property.

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You are right, shooting a legal small buck on public land is the root cause of all game farms
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Greed and laziness are the root causes. Anyone who feels the need to kill a giant buck at the cost of sportsmanship and fair chase is no true hunter. However, if you feel the need to blame me and other sportsman who want to actually hunt for causing high fence hunts because we don't "manage" our public deer herds to let them grow up to your expectations, then so be it. Makes no difference to me, just like if someone wants to shoot livestock, makes no difference to me, I just agree that its hunting.

Me, I'll continue to shoot what suits me, big or small, as long as it legal and fair chase. At the end of the season if I haven't found a big buck, I'll shoot a little buck shamelessly, because having venison to enjoy is more important to me than a big rack to show off.
 
Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs
Me, I'll continue to shoot what suits me, big or small, as long as it legal and fair chase. At the end of the season if I haven't found a big buck, I'll shoot a little buck shamelessly,

I've never deer hunted a high fence operation, but I did have the privilege of coyote hunting a private, non-commercial high fence operation in Alabama last year, so I got at least a sense of what it's like. If you think shooting a dumb little yearling buck on open land is any more "fair chase" than shooting a particular 6 1/2 year old buck inside 3,000 fenced acres, feel free to keep deluding yourself, because that's exactly what you're doing.

Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs ...because having venison to enjoy is more important to me than a big rack to show off.

Evidently, they don't have does where you hunt.
 
Originally Posted By: KizmoOriginally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs
Me, I'll continue to shoot what suits me, big or small, as long as it legal and fair chase. At the end of the season if I haven't found a big buck, I'll shoot a little buck shamelessly,

I've never deer hunted a high fence operation, but I did have the privilege of coyote hunting a private, non-commercial high fence operation in Alabama last year, so I got at least a sense of what it's like. If you think shooting a dumb little yearling buck on open land is any more "fair chase" than shooting a particular 6 1/2 year old buck inside 3,000 fenced acres, feel free to keep deluding yourself, because that's exactly what you're doing.


Originally Posted By: bigsky_songdogs ...because having venison to enjoy is more important to me than a big rack to show off.

Evidently, they don't have does where you hunt.

Not many oppertunities to shoot them where I live, no. But I do travel to other parts of the state and shoot them also. And I never said anything about a yearling buck, I said little buck, there are a lot of 2-3yr little bucks running around and with the competition on public land in MT sometimes even they are hard to find. I would say that hiking the rocky mtn west for any public deer is hard work regardless of antler size. You make the mistake in thinking that just because you coyote hunted on a place that you are the only one who knows anything about it. I didn't say they were all easy, I said they were livestock, bulked up for big antlers where they are kept in a price of property with little or no hunting competition to deal with. There are plenty of high fence "hunts" on far less than 3000 acres.

On a side note, being able to coyote hunt on a place like that would be fun.

Also, I will retract part of what I said. Many times it is not greed and laziness, many times it's someone wanting to do an off season hunt or go after an exotic animal to shoot something cool. Or guys who didn't draw a tag etc etc. these are not the hunts I take issue with. Sometimes it's strictly for meat, like the buffalo offered around MT and elsewhere.

The ones I take issue with are the ones seen in some magazine or tv shows, where they hold up enormous racks with a cocky grin like they accomplished something heroic, only interested in shooting a 500" bull or 300" buck to show off and brag while downplaying the fact it was shot high fence. The ones who act like their hard work and knowledge of hunting was the sole reason they killed a huge buck. These are the people who annoy me. Like I said I wouldn't stop them from doing it, but I wouldn't do it.
 
Well, at last we come to points of agreement. No question, anyone who kills a big buck on a high fence area and doesn't disclose that fact when showing off the rack is a jackleg. The "high fence scale" is a totally different thing than the "real world scale" when it comes to antlers. The average 2 1/2 year olds on this particular place I hunted score in the mid to high 150's. Around here, a 150 class deer is a trophy. On that place, they're not even on the radar until they hit 200. By that time, they've figured out the game.

I also agree that shooting a deer in a pen the size of a barnyard isn't sporting. However, I read a study (out of Michigan, as I recall) several years ago that was enlightening. The authors fenced in square mile to study the effects of habitat vs. genetics. They were going to introduce some different subspecies whitetails there, so they set out to eradicate the native deer within that relatively small enclosure. It took them 2 years to get the task accomplished, despite the fact that the "hunting" was ongoing the entire time.

You'd have had a ball on this place. They also had black buck, axis deer and red stag. Unfortunately, we only called in one coyote, which my buddy missed. Turns out the trapper hit the place hard right before we got there. It was still quite a change from my regular hunting.
 
Originally Posted By: KizmoWell, at last we come to points of agreement. No question, anyone who kills a big buck on a high fence area and doesn't disclose that fact when showing off the rack is a jackleg. The "high fence scale" is a totally different thing than the "real world scale" when it comes to antlers. The average 2 1/2 year olds on this particular place I hunted score in the mid to high 150's. Around here, a 150 class deer is a trophy. On that place, they're not even on the radar until they hit 200. By that time, they've figured out the game.

I also agree that shooting a deer in a pen the size of a barnyard isn't sporting. However, I read a study (out of Michigan, as I recall) several years ago that was enlightening. The authors fenced in square mile to study the effects of habitat vs. genetics. They were going to introduce some different subspecies whitetails there, so they set out to eradicate the native deer within that relatively small enclosure. It took them 2 years to get the task accomplished, despite the fact that the "hunting" was ongoing the entire time.

You'd have had a ball on this place. They also had black buck, axis deer and red stag. Unfortunately, we only called in one coyote, which my buddy missed. Turns out the trapper hit the place hard right before we got there. It was still quite a change from my regular hunting.
black bucks are quite striking, I'd love to see those critters in person, and I've heard axis deer are some of the best tasting to be had (I've eaten my share of Fallow deer and is supposed to be close I believe). My wife wants to go to New Zealand at some point and I told her as long as I can have time to hunt in the high country crown land which is public landand then I would be all over it. Along with some fishing of course.
 
It was all pretty amazing. I'd seen black buck in Texas before, but not as close up as we saw them there. Only saw one red stag, but it looked like a moose to me. Kinda like hunting in Oz.

If I got a deer hunting invitation there, I'd go in a minute. Their breeding program is amazing and they feed high protien pellets and yet still have food plots. I bet we saw 200 deer a day, way beyond the carrying capacity of any normal land. Those deer looked fine to me...way bigger than any of our south Georgia deer.

I had a turkey hunting trip to New Zealand booked about 12 years ago, but we found stachybotrys mold in my son's bedroom wall, so I had to cancel and let my deposit go. The hunt was actually way cheaper than the air fare. The outfitter-imposed limit there is 3 birds per DAY. After that, you can hunt peacocks (more wary than turkeys and better tasting supposedly) or fish (which you'll probably opt for). Maybe one day I'll get there...
 
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