Saskcoyote78
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canned hunts are for the lazy and rich.....barf
Monster Whitetail gets dropped with Revolver
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Kizmo
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I've had the pleasure of predator hunting in a 3000+ acre private high fence whitetail operation owned by an extremely wealthy family. This is not a commercial operation that sells hunts. Their breeding and nutritional program is second to none. Even though I wasn't deer hunting, I can promise you that hunting that place is not like shooting fish in a barrel, it's just that everything inside that fence is bigger than anything outside that fence. The deer still act like deer.
Different styles of hunting for different folks… I would not get much satisfaction of going into a high fenced area led by a guide and told to “sit here” then shooting a trophy class deer…
I do get a lot of satisfaction out of managing my own land and creating an area that will grow and hold good deer… my enjoyment comes from taking inventory and then targeting specific deer through trail cam photos… there are specific deer I chase for years, I even name them… when I finally place hands on a certain set of antlers I have been chasing, I consider it my harvest from seeds I planted in the summer… the majority of the deer I target will not be found on a feeder during daylight hours… they will hit mineral licks and food plots during the summer sun but once the days shorten and they shed their velvet become very nocturnal… they become the ghost deer… every year from early October to late November my entire life becomes centered around weather patterns and stand setups chasing the ghost deer… I lose sleep and soundness of mind chasing the ghost deer… I am not a good hunter so hours turn into days… weeks blur into daze and I question if the ghost deer exist outside the computer screen… or outside of my mind for that matter… I would have given my left arm to get this year’s ghost deer…
I do get a lot of satisfaction out of managing my own land and creating an area that will grow and hold good deer… my enjoyment comes from taking inventory and then targeting specific deer through trail cam photos… there are specific deer I chase for years, I even name them… when I finally place hands on a certain set of antlers I have been chasing, I consider it my harvest from seeds I planted in the summer… the majority of the deer I target will not be found on a feeder during daylight hours… they will hit mineral licks and food plots during the summer sun but once the days shorten and they shed their velvet become very nocturnal… they become the ghost deer… every year from early October to late November my entire life becomes centered around weather patterns and stand setups chasing the ghost deer… I lose sleep and soundness of mind chasing the ghost deer… I am not a good hunter so hours turn into days… weeks blur into daze and I question if the ghost deer exist outside the computer screen… or outside of my mind for that matter… I would have given my left arm to get this year’s ghost deer…
Originally Posted By: AWSDoes this help.
I think in any neck of the woods that is one [beeep] of an animal... I tip my hat this one
I think in any neck of the woods that is one [beeep] of an animal... I tip my hat this one
Quote:If you are shooting baited animals, then it's not hunting. It is just Target practice. JMO
Does that include shooting them out of alfalfa, corn or wheat fields?
Does that include shooting them out of alfalfa, corn or wheat fields?
IAyoteHNTR
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Originally Posted By: Orneryolfart357If you are shooting baited animals, then it's not hunting. It is just Target practice. JMO
Exactly what it is. Well said.
Exactly what it is. Well said.
Growing up I shot the first things with antlers... I let my daughter decide if she wants to shoot a smaller buck... I am editing this cause it is hypocritical of me to say the things quoted below..
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Originally Posted By: borkonOriginally Posted By: Infidel 762People that shoot 130 class and smaller deer are not letting them reach their full potential... Younger basket rack deer are no challenge to hunt... JMO
bullspit!!!.
i've been watching some bucks for 5+ years that still are 130" bucks.
You are right... Genetics and nutrition come into play with that... Most whitetails don't reach full potential until 6+ yrs.. I should have stated mature deer... I have watched deer regress in antler size before 5 years old... Thank you for correcting me...
bullspit!!!.
i've been watching some bucks for 5+ years that still are 130" bucks.
You are right... Genetics and nutrition come into play with that... Most whitetails don't reach full potential until 6+ yrs.. I should have stated mature deer... I have watched deer regress in antler size before 5 years old... Thank you for correcting me...
Originally Posted By: IAyoteHNTROriginally Posted By: Orneryolfart357If you are shooting baited animals, then it's not hunting. It is just Target practice. JMO
Exactly what it is. Well said.
This is the type of attitude and mindset that fuels the anti's... Maybe some hunters feel ok with just showing up to their hunting areas on opening day, shooting or attempting to shoot an animal... Getting back in their vehicles and not returning until the next hunt to attempt to do it again.. They have no mindset about being stewards of the land.. No sense of giving anything back...Managing land to improve wildlife habitat increases the value of that land... It creates a place for better quality of wildlife, for hunters to pass on their traditions to their kids... However just like liberal tree huggers they fail to recognize private landowners in their area and what they actual provide in terms managing for that better quality of wildlife... A better quality of wildlife not just on their private land but one that is beneficial to surrounding area... People with this Attitude make it hard on the ones who spend year around efforts doing this... Even in my area I see it every year... Right before the season they come out of the woodwork and yes many of them put out automatic feeders...they talk about their trophy wives tales yet shoot the first thing that comes by... I am all for that especially if they are kids or new to hunting... I would just hope that as hunters become seasoned with success they would be able to see the big picture... Not just look at the land limited in scope to a day or a season... I think about what I can do to better my land in terms of wildlife quality in the coming years..
Exactly what it is. Well said.
This is the type of attitude and mindset that fuels the anti's... Maybe some hunters feel ok with just showing up to their hunting areas on opening day, shooting or attempting to shoot an animal... Getting back in their vehicles and not returning until the next hunt to attempt to do it again.. They have no mindset about being stewards of the land.. No sense of giving anything back...Managing land to improve wildlife habitat increases the value of that land... It creates a place for better quality of wildlife, for hunters to pass on their traditions to their kids... However just like liberal tree huggers they fail to recognize private landowners in their area and what they actual provide in terms managing for that better quality of wildlife... A better quality of wildlife not just on their private land but one that is beneficial to surrounding area... People with this Attitude make it hard on the ones who spend year around efforts doing this... Even in my area I see it every year... Right before the season they come out of the woodwork and yes many of them put out automatic feeders...they talk about their trophy wives tales yet shoot the first thing that comes by... I am all for that especially if they are kids or new to hunting... I would just hope that as hunters become seasoned with success they would be able to see the big picture... Not just look at the land limited in scope to a day or a season... I think about what I can do to better my land in terms of wildlife quality in the coming years..
Kizmo
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Originally Posted By: Infidel 762
This is the type of attitude and mindset that fuels the anti's... Maybe some hunters feel ok with just showing up to their hunting areas on opening day, shooting or attempting to shoot an animal... Getting back in their vehicles and not returning until the next hunt to attempt to do it again.. They have no mindset about being stewards of the land.. No sense of giving anything back...Managing land to improve wildlife habitat increases the value of that land... It creates a place for better quality of wildlife, for hunters to pass on their traditions to their kids... However just like liberal tree huggers they fail to recognize private landowners in their area and what they actual provide in terms managing for that better quality of wildlife... A better quality of wildlife not just on their private land but one that is beneficial to surrounding area... People with this Attitude make it hard on the ones who spend year around efforts doing this... Even in my area I see it every year... Right before the season they come out of the woodwork and yes many of them put out automatic feeders...they talk about their trophy wives tales yet shoot the first thing that comes by... I am all for that especially if they are kids or new to hunting... I would just hope that as hunters become seasoned with success they would be able to see the big picture... Not just look at the land limited in scope to a day or a season... I think about what I can do to better my land in terms of wildlife quality in the coming years..
Well said Infidel.
This is the type of attitude and mindset that fuels the anti's... Maybe some hunters feel ok with just showing up to their hunting areas on opening day, shooting or attempting to shoot an animal... Getting back in their vehicles and not returning until the next hunt to attempt to do it again.. They have no mindset about being stewards of the land.. No sense of giving anything back...Managing land to improve wildlife habitat increases the value of that land... It creates a place for better quality of wildlife, for hunters to pass on their traditions to their kids... However just like liberal tree huggers they fail to recognize private landowners in their area and what they actual provide in terms managing for that better quality of wildlife... A better quality of wildlife not just on their private land but one that is beneficial to surrounding area... People with this Attitude make it hard on the ones who spend year around efforts doing this... Even in my area I see it every year... Right before the season they come out of the woodwork and yes many of them put out automatic feeders...they talk about their trophy wives tales yet shoot the first thing that comes by... I am all for that especially if they are kids or new to hunting... I would just hope that as hunters become seasoned with success they would be able to see the big picture... Not just look at the land limited in scope to a day or a season... I think about what I can do to better my land in terms of wildlife quality in the coming years..
Well said Infidel.
I agree that one should be able to hunt, and do about anything else that is un harmful to others in life, as one sees fit. When I was young, we , and many of the surrounding farms and ranches, started farming for wildlife. Not going lie-it brought in a lot of money for the local community trough out of state pheasant hunters. I would spend months, all year actually, watching the wildlife. I knew, long before opening day the buck or bucks I was going to be targeting, weather it be antelope, whitetail or muley. The trick was trying to pattern them. With the goats and mulies it was easier than whitetails ,for the most part, because of the terrain differences they occupied. The mulies for the norm would stick to the hills and brakes, the goats to the pastures and stubble fields. The whitetails though were, in general, down in the river bottoms and corn fields. When they have literally thousands of acres of corn ,lots of times still standing, it can get a bit tricky to get them pinned down. Later in life I was living and working in Texas and got to experience a different type of hunting. At first it did seem a joke, almost wrong, with the feeders and fences and such, but I quickly realized that as Infidel and Gizmo said, you aren't going to kill a big mature buck off a feeder. Unlike the does and young guys, they don't just come running up at sound of feeder going off. I think that too people who haven't experienced it, it looks easy. But believe me, if you want a good buck it's not.
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RockinU
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One of the most potentially detrimental things to our hunting heritage is hunters turning on each other. If you don't like one particular method of take, don't use it, but condemning or belittling others isn't really necessary, at least they are hunting, and supporting something that is important to me.
As for feeders, they are often used in areas that don't have agriculture that concentrates deer populations like in other parts of the country to the same effect. Sure some deer get habituated to the timed feeders...young deer and doe. I've also seen feeders that were shot over too often cease to be used during daylight hours, or even at all. I'm not going to pretend that baiting or feeding are never abused, or misused, like lots of other hunting practices, they are, but bashing something you have little experience with accomplishes nothing. If having a feeder makes it just target shooting, then why doesn't everyone who has a feeder have a 170" deer on the wall. For the record, my preferred hunting is spot and stalk where the terrain and cover allow, and I really like to rattle.
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As for feeders, they are often used in areas that don't have agriculture that concentrates deer populations like in other parts of the country to the same effect. Sure some deer get habituated to the timed feeders...young deer and doe. I've also seen feeders that were shot over too often cease to be used during daylight hours, or even at all. I'm not going to pretend that baiting or feeding are never abused, or misused, like lots of other hunting practices, they are, but bashing something you have little experience with accomplishes nothing. If having a feeder makes it just target shooting, then why doesn't everyone who has a feeder have a 170" deer on the wall. For the record, my preferred hunting is spot and stalk where the terrain and cover allow, and I really like to rattle.
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chuck hunter
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Originally Posted By: RockinUOne of the most potentially detrimental things to our hunting heritage is hunters turning on each other. If you don't like one particular method of take, don't use it, but condemning or belittling others isn't really necessary, at least they are hunting, and supporting something that is important to me.
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Very well said
It's bad enough that the anti gun, anti hunters are taking SHOTS AT US.
Let's not shoot each other. If you don't like long range shooting, don't do it.
If you don't like feeders, don't use one.
CH
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Very well said
It's bad enough that the anti gun, anti hunters are taking SHOTS AT US.
Let's not shoot each other. If you don't like long range shooting, don't do it.
If you don't like feeders, don't use one.
CH