Democrats (Teachers) Behaving Badly
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Rocky1
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Originally Posted By: jeffoIt's hard to keep track of all the attacks. Most of you guys are at level 1. When you get to level 4 or 5 you might start understanding what this is all about.
I believe Stu just eclipsed level 10 or 12.
Originally Posted By: jeffoThe very rich republicans are turning middle class workers against each other, while they keep pocketing our money. You elected them, quit your whining if you don't like your job or think you should be making more.
Uhmmm... The republicans have been trying hard to prevent the Democrats from taxing me out of all my money. They do have their faults too, but at least they are beginning to listen to the people!! The Democrats on the other hand are notorius for reciting anti-republican rhetoric, and attempting to blame ALL of this friggin mess on the Republicans, while passing bill after bill after bill that the taxpayer is going to be hung for sooner or later. AND THEN, offering tax cuts to try and make me feel good about all the future tax dollars they just gave away.
Originally Posted By: jeffoIf most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
Actually I did teach a college course for 3 years, and not once did I ever run home to mommy crying.
I believe Stu just eclipsed level 10 or 12.
Originally Posted By: jeffoThe very rich republicans are turning middle class workers against each other, while they keep pocketing our money. You elected them, quit your whining if you don't like your job or think you should be making more.
Uhmmm... The republicans have been trying hard to prevent the Democrats from taxing me out of all my money. They do have their faults too, but at least they are beginning to listen to the people!! The Democrats on the other hand are notorius for reciting anti-republican rhetoric, and attempting to blame ALL of this friggin mess on the Republicans, while passing bill after bill after bill that the taxpayer is going to be hung for sooner or later. AND THEN, offering tax cuts to try and make me feel good about all the future tax dollars they just gave away.
Originally Posted By: jeffoIf most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
Actually I did teach a college course for 3 years, and not once did I ever run home to mommy crying.
NM Leon
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FDR, 1937, "Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government....The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service."
NY Supreme Court,
"To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous."
Albert Shanker, President of the AFT (teachers union) "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."
"a lot of people who have been hired as teachers are basically not competent"
NY Supreme Court,
"To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous."
Albert Shanker, President of the AFT (teachers union) "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."
"a lot of people who have been hired as teachers are basically not competent"
Originally Posted By: NM LeonQuote:Two things most of you guys adhere to - 1. Everybody else's job is easier than yours, and 2. You are so important you can't be replaced. Your reality is shaped by the brainwashing media. Turn off the tv and get your lazy butt off the couch once in a while.
Quote:And don't even dare to tell me I don't work hard or earn my pay. If most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
So what you're trying to tell us is that everybody elses job is easier than yours, and you (and your fellow union socialists) can't be replaced?
Oh My, you crack me up jeffo. You keep stepping on your own tongue, you have failed to answer any of the facts (or as you like to call them, attacks), and then you take a bucket of schitte (above) and hurl it into a gale, making sure that the entire bucket lands only on you.
If I am "level 1", that must mean you are a level .0002.
Don't flatter yourself. There are plenty of cronies here to do it for you. Spend 24 years in a classroom teaching and then tell me what it's like. You (and others) are sounding very much like the administration, school board, and government. You don't have a clue what my job is all about, you couldn't do it, and yet you think you know how to do it better. God must be dreading the day you die. There goes his job.
Quote:And don't even dare to tell me I don't work hard or earn my pay. If most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
So what you're trying to tell us is that everybody elses job is easier than yours, and you (and your fellow union socialists) can't be replaced?
Oh My, you crack me up jeffo. You keep stepping on your own tongue, you have failed to answer any of the facts (or as you like to call them, attacks), and then you take a bucket of schitte (above) and hurl it into a gale, making sure that the entire bucket lands only on you.
If I am "level 1", that must mean you are a level .0002.
Don't flatter yourself. There are plenty of cronies here to do it for you. Spend 24 years in a classroom teaching and then tell me what it's like. You (and others) are sounding very much like the administration, school board, and government. You don't have a clue what my job is all about, you couldn't do it, and yet you think you know how to do it better. God must be dreading the day you die. There goes his job.
Originally Posted By: jinxed247Wow...very well said stu and leon. You guys said everything and anything that I was going to post. I did want to suggest one thing though (even though it was probably already stated somewhere) what about doing away with public education and reverting to charter schools? They cost the tax payers half of what a public school does and they have almost double the graduation rate.
The graduation rate in my high school is around 95%. Charter school have double that? Someone must be graduating twice.
Also, the teacher gets paid by his/her merits and if they are not performing up to par then they get fired...explains why the high graduation rate.
My wife is a Registered Nurse and is forced to belong to a union in order to work in this state. She doesn't agree with unions because they often keep incompetant nurses in work...not just her opionion...for ex: a nurse was put on probation for giving the wrong meds to a patient...she was put on probation for a week and told she had to be error free for that week or she would be let go...the very first day that nurse (who has been a nurse for 12+yrs) made three med errors...when the hospital tried to fire her the union stepped in and somehow saved her job...now they have a diehard pro-union worker who is incompatant and shouldn't be a nurse...maybe it's the unions plan to get people to follow the unions by only keeping around the dumb ones who follow blindly and believe everything that the unions tell them.
What also pissed my wife about her union is that they donated money to Obama's presidental campaign and used her mandatory dues to do so
Union dues that go to campaigns are voluntary. Your wife needs to understand the rules better.
..when she complained to the union she was told that she didn't have a say in where or what her dues went for. So yeah, we don't like unions and I hope that when the general public sees how they actually operate and what it is actually costing them, this will be the end of unions in most states...you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yes I can. And so could you. But with your mentality we'll be back to working 80 hours a week for minimum wage. Maybe you do so now. That's your problem. How do you expect working folks to support local businesses? They stand to lose just as much. I know it's a stretch, but try to understand this.
The graduation rate in my high school is around 95%. Charter school have double that? Someone must be graduating twice.
Also, the teacher gets paid by his/her merits and if they are not performing up to par then they get fired...explains why the high graduation rate.
My wife is a Registered Nurse and is forced to belong to a union in order to work in this state. She doesn't agree with unions because they often keep incompetant nurses in work...not just her opionion...for ex: a nurse was put on probation for giving the wrong meds to a patient...she was put on probation for a week and told she had to be error free for that week or she would be let go...the very first day that nurse (who has been a nurse for 12+yrs) made three med errors...when the hospital tried to fire her the union stepped in and somehow saved her job...now they have a diehard pro-union worker who is incompatant and shouldn't be a nurse...maybe it's the unions plan to get people to follow the unions by only keeping around the dumb ones who follow blindly and believe everything that the unions tell them.
What also pissed my wife about her union is that they donated money to Obama's presidental campaign and used her mandatory dues to do so
Union dues that go to campaigns are voluntary. Your wife needs to understand the rules better.
..when she complained to the union she was told that she didn't have a say in where or what her dues went for. So yeah, we don't like unions and I hope that when the general public sees how they actually operate and what it is actually costing them, this will be the end of unions in most states...you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Yes I can. And so could you. But with your mentality we'll be back to working 80 hours a week for minimum wage. Maybe you do so now. That's your problem. How do you expect working folks to support local businesses? They stand to lose just as much. I know it's a stretch, but try to understand this.
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Originally Posted By: Rocky1Originally Posted By: jeffoIt's hard to keep track of all the attacks. Most of you guys are at level 1. When you get to level 4 or 5 you might start understanding what this is all about.
I believe Stu just eclipsed level 10 or 12.
Originally Posted By: jeffoThe very rich republicans are turning middle class workers against each other, while they keep pocketing our money. You elected them, quit your whining if you don't like your job or think you should be making more.
Uhmmm... The republicans have been trying hard to prevent the Democrats from taxing me out of all my money. They do have their faults too, but at least they are beginning to listen to the people!!
The only people they are listening to are the wealthy 1%. They don't give a rat's [beeep] about me or you.
The Democrats on the other hand are notorius for reciting anti-republican rhetoric, and attempting to blame ALL of this friggin mess on the Republicans, while passing bill after bill after bill that the taxpayer is going to be hung for sooner or later. AND THEN, offering tax cuts to try and make me feel good about all the future tax dollars they just gave away.
Originally Posted By: jeffoIf most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
Actually I did teach a college course for 3 years, and not once did I ever run home to mommy crying.
Community college, not doubt. Soft curriculum, good pay.
I believe Stu just eclipsed level 10 or 12.
Originally Posted By: jeffoThe very rich republicans are turning middle class workers against each other, while they keep pocketing our money. You elected them, quit your whining if you don't like your job or think you should be making more.
Uhmmm... The republicans have been trying hard to prevent the Democrats from taxing me out of all my money. They do have their faults too, but at least they are beginning to listen to the people!!
The only people they are listening to are the wealthy 1%. They don't give a rat's [beeep] about me or you.
The Democrats on the other hand are notorius for reciting anti-republican rhetoric, and attempting to blame ALL of this friggin mess on the Republicans, while passing bill after bill after bill that the taxpayer is going to be hung for sooner or later. AND THEN, offering tax cuts to try and make me feel good about all the future tax dollars they just gave away.
Originally Posted By: jeffoIf most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
Actually I did teach a college course for 3 years, and not once did I ever run home to mommy crying.
Community college, not doubt. Soft curriculum, good pay.
redeyeddawg
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NM Leon
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Quote:Spend 24 years in a classroom teaching and then tell me what it's like. You (and others) are sounding very much like the administration, school board, and government. You don't have a clue what my job is all about...
I don't believe I've told you what your job is like at all. Any specific references (36.5 hr weeks) have come from the United States Department of Labor/Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and are for teachers nationwide, not you personally.
I don't "have a clue" what your individual job is like, having never been to your individual classroom, but I do have a great deal of knowledge of what your occupation is about.
Based on your posts back here I'm fairly certain that in fact I know considerably more than you about the government school system and it's history.
Unfortunately for the teachers and their unions who would like to pull the wool over the public's eye's, the data on government schooling is reported on intensively yearly (BLS, DepED, PISA, etc.).
WOW!! administration, school board, government, and now the taxpayers? It looks like everybody is against you (except maybe Dem politicians who like your money). You poor teachers and your poor unions are sure getting picked on.
It's too bad that there's all that factual information out there (BLS, DepED, PISA, etc.) making it so easy for anyone who cares about it to gain in-depth knowledge, and making your unions and the socialist government monopoly school system look so bad.
Sucks to be you, I'd suggest you complain to your union.
I don't believe I've told you what your job is like at all. Any specific references (36.5 hr weeks) have come from the United States Department of Labor/Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and are for teachers nationwide, not you personally.
I don't "have a clue" what your individual job is like, having never been to your individual classroom, but I do have a great deal of knowledge of what your occupation is about.
Based on your posts back here I'm fairly certain that in fact I know considerably more than you about the government school system and it's history.
Unfortunately for the teachers and their unions who would like to pull the wool over the public's eye's, the data on government schooling is reported on intensively yearly (BLS, DepED, PISA, etc.).
WOW!! administration, school board, government, and now the taxpayers? It looks like everybody is against you (except maybe Dem politicians who like your money). You poor teachers and your poor unions are sure getting picked on.
It's too bad that there's all that factual information out there (BLS, DepED, PISA, etc.) making it so easy for anyone who cares about it to gain in-depth knowledge, and making your unions and the socialist government monopoly school system look so bad.
Sucks to be you, I'd suggest you complain to your union.
Tim Neitzke
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HOLY CRAP GUYS !
As a MEMBER here, I do believe this bickering is getting a little carried away !
Mods included !
As a MEMBER here, I do believe this bickering is getting a little carried away !
Mods included !
redeyeddawg
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Let's hope she doesn't teach English...
it isn't teachers, by & large, that most of us have problems with. it's the friggin' unions & not just the teachers unions.
I simply think that if you want to work in the public sector, paid by taxpayers, you should not be in a union.
even in the private sector, unions are held in very low esteem by the public & the public sector ones we've reached the point where we pretty much loath them. not necessarily the members, as we know that a lot of the time people simply don't have a choice. they either join the union or don't work, or if permitted they don't join but are still forced to pay them or they don't work. if you're in a union you need to do a couple of things.
1) admit that people by & large don't think highly of unions any more, it's a fact
2) take the time & effort to understand why that is.
I simply think that if you want to work in the public sector, paid by taxpayers, you should not be in a union.
even in the private sector, unions are held in very low esteem by the public & the public sector ones we've reached the point where we pretty much loath them. not necessarily the members, as we know that a lot of the time people simply don't have a choice. they either join the union or don't work, or if permitted they don't join but are still forced to pay them or they don't work. if you're in a union you need to do a couple of things.
1) admit that people by & large don't think highly of unions any more, it's a fact
2) take the time & effort to understand why that is.
they sure aren't getting their money's worth in WI:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g
NM Leon
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But wait a minute Stu, if 2/3 of students can't read proficiently, how can they have a 95% graduation rate???
Oh yeah, I forgot. Graduation hasn't necessarily equated to literacy for years now, has it?
No wonder the average time to get a "4 year" baccalaureate degree is closer to 5 years. The college freshman classes with the highest enrollment nationwide are remedial reading and math.
Hmmm, I wonder what percentage of those needing remedial classes in their freshman year of college wound up going to work for the government. That statistic might explain a lot.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Graduation hasn't necessarily equated to literacy for years now, has it?
No wonder the average time to get a "4 year" baccalaureate degree is closer to 5 years. The college freshman classes with the highest enrollment nationwide are remedial reading and math.
Hmmm, I wonder what percentage of those needing remedial classes in their freshman year of college wound up going to work for the government. That statistic might explain a lot.
