Democrats (Teachers) Behaving Badly

Quote:I'm not doubting the number of hours you "work", I just doubt it's typical. Except for Leon who works twice as much for half your pay.

According to (again) the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average American worker (including unemployed and part time) works 39.6 hours a week. 38% work more than 50hrs a week.

According to the BLS, public school teachers self report that they work an average of 36.5 hrs a week, in the weeks they work. (I'd complain to my union if I was you)

Sounds like Rocky and I were pretty close in hours and wages, at least in his "heavy" months. The point being that while that's about the maximum, it's not all that unusual. Many medical/legal/investment/consulting professionals work comparable hours (usually for more money, lol).
 
Quote:And what was different 50 years ago?

Teachers and school administrators were professionals and belonged to a Professional Association instead of a SOCIALIST LABOR UNION!!





Quote:Ethics, values, morales, work ethic. You don't see that from kids OR their parents these days.

Not after 50 years of socialist based, government monopoly education of steadily declining quality.

Your system taught the grandparents of your current students that ethics/values/morals were purely relative and optional, and that society/government/corporations owed them a living.

Those grandparents then helped a steadily declining education system to teach their kids the same declining standards, and those kids helped a still further decimated government education system to teach their kids (your current students) even lesser standards.

Your system has spent three generations teaching the moral relativism and ultimately selfish feel good "self esteem" that has spawned the current problems you complain about.

Cry me a river.
 
Here's a couple for you jeffo.

Who do private industry unions collectively bargain with, and where does the money that pays for their wages and benefits come from? What are the limitations to how many concessions they can get?

Who do public employee unions collectively bargain with, and where does the money that pays for their wages and benefits come from? What are the limitations to how many concessions they can get?

The fundemental differences between the two situations explains why there should not be any collective bargaining allowed in public employee unions (or public employee unions at all).

Allowing unions to negotiate for taxpayer dollars is just bad economic policy. Without market forces coming in to play, the government side of the negotiations has no "skin" in the game, and you will predictably wind up exactly where we are now, where government's promises exceed any possibility of being paid.

I suspect that in the end there is no "fair and equitable way" to get out of the mess that your unions (and the politicians you have elected) have encumbered taxpayers with.

Unfortunately (for you), your paid for politicians have made promises to you that we the taxpayers just CAN'T keep.

Your (collective) greed has killed the goose that layed the golden egg.
 
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Why We Need Stronger Unions, and How to Get Them

Why is this recession so deep, and what can be done to reverse it?

Hint: Go back about 50 years, when America's middle class was expanding and the economy was soaring. Paychecks were big enough to allow us to buy all the goods and services we produced. It was a virtuous circle. Good pay meant more purchases, and more purchases meant more jobs.

Not sure where this gentleman was at back in the 60s, but I certainly didn't see an overabundance of purchases going on.

Originally Posted By: jeffoAt the center of this virtuous circle were unions. In 1955, more than a third of working Americans belonged to one. Unions gave them the bargaining leverage they needed to get the paychecks that kept the economy going. So many Americans were unionized that wage agreements spilled over to nonunionized workplaces as well. Employers knew they had to match union wages to compete for workers and to recruit the best ones.

And, the average wage at the time was what?


Originally Posted By: jeffoFast forward to a new century. Now, fewer than 8% of private-sector workers are unionized. Corporate opponents argue that Americans no longer want unions. But public opinion surveys, such as a comprehensive poll that Peter D. Hart Research Associates conducted in 2006, suggest that a majority of workers would like to have a union to bargain for better wages, benefits and working conditions. So there must be some other reason for this dramatic decline. But put that question aside for a moment. One point is clear: Smaller numbers of unionized workers mean less bargaining power, and less bargaining power results in lower wages.

It's no wonder middle-class incomes were dropping even before the recession. As our economy grew between 2001 and the start of 2007, most Americans didn't share in the prosperity. By the time the recession began last year, according to an Economic Policy Institute study, the median income of households headed by those under age 65 was below what it was in 2000.Typical families kept buying only by going into debt. This was possible as long as the housing bubble expanded. Home-equity loans and refinancing made up for declining paychecks.


This recession has long been in effect, it has only recently hit home because the government is no longer able to artificially inflate the economy. The housing boom of the late 90s early 00s was made possible by government backing. They were trying to bail the economy out then. The legislation enacted to do so was put into place during the Carter administration.

Originally Posted By: jeffoBut that's over. American families no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going. Lower paychecks, or no paychecks at all, mean fewer purchases, and fewer purchases mean fewer jobs.

The way to get the economy back on track is to boost the purchasing power of the middle class. One major way to do this is to expand the percentage of working Americans in unions. Tax rebates won't work because they don't permanently raise wages. Most families used the rebate last year to pay off debt -- not a bad thing, but it doesn't keep the virtuous circle running. Bank bailouts won't work either. Businesses won't borrow to expand without consumers to buy their goods and services. And Americans themselves can't borrow when they're losing their jobs and their incomes are dropping.

And, who is going to have the income to support everyone being back in the union? Because union negotiations mean higher wages, and more benefits. All of which someone, somewhere down the road, has to pay for. Why not simply pay our own way, rather than rely upon passing those costs on to someone else through costs increases in products offered.

Originally Posted By: jeffoTax cuts for working families, as President Obama intends, can do more to help because they extend over time. But only higher wages and benefits for the middle class will have a lasting effect.

Unions matter in this equation. According to the Department of Labor, workers in unions earn 30% higher wages -- taking home $863 a week, compared with $663 for the typical nonunion worker -- and are 59% more likely to have employer-provided health insurance than their nonunion counterparts.

Examples abound. In 2007, nearly 12,000 janitors in Providence, R.I., New Hampshire and Boston, represented by the Service Employees International Union, won a contract that raised their wages to $16 an hour, guaranteed more work hours and provided family health insurance. In an industry typically staffed by part-time workers with a high turnover rate, a union contract provided janitors with full-time, sustainable jobs that they could count on to raise their families' -- and their communities' -- standard of living.

In August, 65,000 Verizon workers, represented by the Communications Workers of America, won wage increases totaling nearly 11% and converted temporary jobs to full-time status. Not only did the settlement preserve fully paid healthcare premiums for all active and retired unionized employees, but Verizon also agreed to provide $2 million a year to fund a collaborative campaign with its unions to achieve meaningful national healthcare reform.

And, that is largely a part of why my cell phone bill is $400/month.

Originally Posted By: jeffoAlthough America and its economy need unions, it's become nearly impossible for employees to form one. The Hart poll I cited tells us that 57 million workers would want to be in a union if they could have one. But those who try to form a union, according to researchers at MIT, have only about a 1 in 5 chance of successfully doing so.

The reason? Most of the time, employees who want to form a union are threatened and intimidated by their employers. And all too often, if they don't heed the warnings, they're fired, even though that's illegal. I saw this when I was secretary of Labor over a decade ago. We tried to penalize employers that broke the law, but the fines are minuscule. Too many employers consider them a cost of doing business.

This isn't right. The most important feature of the Employee Free Choice Act, which will be considered by the just-seated 111th Congress, toughens penalties against companies that violate their workers' rights. The sooner it's enacted, the better -- for U.S. workers and for the U.S. economy.

These companies already know how to get around this problem, they simply hire 2 part time employees to replace one full time employee. They subcontract work, using temporary non-union employees, to replace having to battle the union incessantly. They've been forced to take these routes by both union and government.

Originally Posted By: jeffoThe American middle class isn't looking for a bailout or a handout. Most people just want a chance to share in the success of the companies they help to prosper. Making it easier for all Americans to form unions would give the middle class the bargaining power it needs for better wages and benefits. And a strong and prosperous middle class is necessary if our economy is to succeed.

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it's an unsustainable business model & we've reached the breaking point.

there are 3 professions right now that are producing the greatest numbers of new millionaires. Care to guess what they are?

Teachers, cops & firemen.

prolly the biggest factor in that is the fact that they can retire at a relatively young age, draw a generous pension from that for the rest of their lives & go ahead with another career. in fact it's not that unusual, for example for an officer to retire from one police force only to get hired by another one & earn yet another nice pension.

don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting people who are doing this or have done so. they're in a position to be smart, take advantage of what's available to them & they do so.

but the bottom line is we're broke. the feds manage to hide it by borrowing at INSANE levels as well as by issuing new currency.

the states can't print money. this governor ran on fixing this and other problems. unlike obama, he's actually doing exactly what he said he would when he campaigned.
 
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Originally Posted By: Stu Farishit's an unsustainable business model & we've reached the breaking point.

there are 3 professions right now that are producing the greatest numbers of new millionaires. Care to guess what they are?

Teachers, cops & firemen.prolly the biggest factor in that is the fact that they can retire at a relatively young age, draw a generous pension from that for the rest of their lives & go ahead with another career. in fact it's not that unusual, for example for an officer to retire from one police force only to get hired by another one & earn yet another nice pension.

don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting people who are doing this or have done so. they're in a position to be smart, take advantage of what's available to them & they do so.

but the bottom line is we're broke. the feds manage to hide it by borrowing at INSANE levels as well as by issuing new currency.

the states can't print money. this governor ran on fixing this and other problems. unlike obama, he's actually doing exactly what he said he would when he campaigned.




Anyone tell them that? Sorry Stu, I call BS on that one.
 
It's hard to keep track of all the attacks. Most of you guys are at level 1. When you get to level 4 or 5 you might start understanding what this is all about. The very rich republicans are turning middle class workers against each other, while they keep pocketing our money. You elected them, quit your whining if you don't like your job or think you should be making more. Maybe you need to work a little harder. Two things most of you guys adhere to - 1. Everybody else's job is easier than yours, and 2. You are so important you can't be replaced. Your reality is shaped by the brainwashing media. Turn off the tv and get your lazy butt off the couch once in a while. And don't even dare to tell me I don't work hard or earn my pay. If most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.
 
Two "S" Words For Saturday


The first one: STATE.

You know, that thing that has all of the powers of government not explicitly delegated in The Constitution to The Federal government? Yes, that thing. There are 50 of them in The United States.

Notice that we don't call the nation "The United Federal Government." We call it "The United STATES." That's because States have supremacy. Always have. They originally joined together under a promise of a limited Federal government, which was mostly about the common defense - and little more.

Now as for the second word..... Sedition.

–noun
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.
2. any action, especially in speech or writing, promoting such discontent or rebellion.
3. Archaic . rebellious disorder.

I'm going to draw the line between the word sedition and the act of seditious conspiracy; the latter is a federal offense. At least today, that line may still apply. It may be true, however, that as facts develop we will discover that this line has been crossed.

In America we have these things called elections. After the 2008 election Barack Obama was having a discussion with Republican lawmakers where they were objecting to some of his plans. They asked him why they should negotiate with a wall, effectively, and his answer was simple:

"I won."

Ok. Fair enough. Elections have consequences, right, and one of the key points that Barack Obama himself has put forward time and time again as justification for his alleged "mandate" was that he won the 2008 election.

Never mind that he lied about virtually everything he said he was going to do. Among other things he said he did not come to Washington to favor the banksters, but in point of fact he has provided more Lewinskis to them than Monica ever did to Bill Clinton. His so-called Attorney General, Eric "Place" Holder, can't even find a felony to indict and prosecute when they're apparently admitted to under oath before the FCIC.

It is clear at this point that the game is to run the Statute of Limitations so that prosecution becomes impossible. That is, for those who elected Barack Obama, you by doing so - yes, this includes me - provided every bankster a "never go to jail" card for what they did.

In fact, Angelo Mozilo had the criminal probe against him dropped yesterday, if reports are correct.

Of course McStain was going to do the same thing. So it's not like we really had a choice between "D" and "R" in this regard, right? Well, no.

We were also told our health insurance payments would go down. Mine went up - more than 20%. This, despite being told it wouldn't. That we would get "relief." Well, no, we didn't get relief. We got cornholed.

After two years of this blatant abuse Americans had enough. They went to the polls again. And this time they threw a lot of Demoncrats out of office. One of the newly-elected politicians was Republican Governor Walker in Wisconsin.

He ran on a platform that, among other things, promised to do away with collective bargaining for teachers for all items other than pay. That is, pensions, health insurance, work rules, everything else. All those things, if they were going to be larded up on the public, would have to survive a public vote by the people.

What's wrong with this, may I ask? Teachers are employed by the people. Did you notice your property tax bill? You're the boss. You pay the check. You make the rules. And in a representative government, you hire people through the ballots to do as you demand.

Wisconsin did exactly that.

Governor Walker did exactly what he promised. Faced with a monstrous budget problem that was gimmicked and gamed by his predecessor to appear smaller than it really was (just as occurred in New Jersey with Governor Christie) he put forward a bill.

Remember now, the standard is "I won" when it comes to justification - by our own President.

Mr. Walker won.

So what did our President's campaign organization - "Organizing For America" - do?

OfA Wisconsin's field efforts include filling buses and building turnout for the rallies this week in Madison, organizing 15 rapid response phone banks urging supporters to call their state legislators, and working on planning and producing rallies, a Democratic Party official in Washington said.

Really?

Our own President's campaign apparatus is attempting to prevent a vote from taking place? To overturn an election? To incite discontent against a duly-elected government, perhaps by importing people who aren't actually Wisconsin residents? And to spread that discontent to other states?

Really? Our own President is doing this?

That's textbook stuff folks. As in Mubarak's textbook.

Didn't we just see a government go down with our support in Egypt over this exact same thing? A government where the people said "do X", government did "Y", and the people rose? And let us not forget that in Egypt it was not the people who were shooting, it was government goons - rifles are prohibited from private ownership in Egypt.

These acts have a word folks: Sedition.

Just a month ago we heard from our very same President that we had a "responsibility" to tone down the political rhetoric. This, incidentally, is why these bussed-in protesters who aren't Wisconsin residents are waving signs that claim Walker is Adolph Hitler and have targets on him?

To anyone who believes that these teachers are in some way deprived, I've run the analysis. The average teacher in Wisconsin receives about $86,000 in total pay and benefits annually. Like all teachers they also get three months off every year. That $86,000 has a huge benefit component, like all public employees - including pension and health care. But the important point is this figure is roughly $25,000 more than the average private-sector worker makes - even when you include the ridiculously over-compensated people like those at Goldman Sachs.

Here's the reality folks: We're broke. The States are broke and so is the Federal Government. We've allowed political hacks from both sides to make promises that can't be kept. That's a fact and no amount of spin is going to change it. We must cut the Federal Budget by more than half and at the same time raise taxes in order to start to pay down the debt.

Five entitlement programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare and Unemployment consume more than half of the entire Federal Budget. We borrow 42 cents of every dollar. You can cut to zero every other program, including defense, and we can't balance the budget if we do not severely cut these five programs.

This is not a problem for the future, it's a problem that must be solved right now. We could have cut the budget by 10 or 20% a decade ago, but we didn't. Now it's half. Soon it will collapse. And this same picture exists in the States.

The pension and health care cost issues are particularly severe. There is no solution to these problems that "keeps the promises" people believe were made to them. It's not possible, no matter what you wish to believe or who is speaking. These are mathematical facts.

But today, the issue is this: We have a President who is attempting to overturn the results of an election in a State. That election was held, the people spoke, and the majority of Wisconsin residents support what Governor Walker is doing. The President has exactly zero right to interfere in the sovereign matters of a State's Government in violation of the expressed will of The People and by doing so he has, in my opinion, committed an impeachable offense.

There are also serious issues in Wisconsin with the Teachers and also with State Senators. If you are a parent with children in a Wisconsin school you must demand that any teacher who falsely called in sick to protest be debarred from teaching your child. It is absolutely essential that our children understand and be taught that the representative process of government is sacred and that violating that premise is unacceptable. No parent who honors our form of government can permit their child to be instructed by a teacher who participated. I therefore call upon all parents to perform a "KidOut" and demand these teachers be immediately fired and replaced, or their children will not return to class. There are millions of unemployed people in this nation and many are qualified to teach. There is no shortage in the labor pool. Force the Superintendents to fire every one of these teachers - right now.

Second, Governor Walker needs to sign an executive order declaring a State of Emergency and ordering the Senate to come to order. If the Democrats refuse he should then declare their seats abdicated and hold special elections. The Democrats need only lose one seat in that special election to be irretrievably screwed. It is fine to disagree but the fact remains that a legislator has a job, and that is to legislate. That means showing up, speaking your peace, debating in a civil manner and voting. That's how we do things in America.

Finally, to those in Organizing for America who are playing these games, let me make this very, very clear: You set the standard in 2008 when your President, who heads your group, said "I won" as justification for refusing to compromise on his bills. Well, this time you lost. Live to your own standards or you risk the people deciding to shut down commerce. To de-fund the government and your goon squads by doing an entirely-legal thing - deciding to cease all commerce and demonstrate via peaceful means exactly as was done in Egypt.

Government exists only because it has a believed ability to raise revenues via taxation. That's what allows government at all levels to sell bonds and transact business.

We the people, via peaceful and lawful means, always have the right to revoke that belief among those who buy those bonds and transact business, and I believe we are not far from a critical mass in this country of people who are willing to do exactly that, particularly when our government refuses to honor the just results of a fair election of representatives and governors.

I call upon all Ticker readers to call Darryl Issa's office Tuesday, along with their Representative and Senators, and demand an immediate halt to this interference in the affairs of Wisconsin and other States. And while you're at it, demand that Mr. Issa issue subpoenas and find out exactly where the money came from for those buses, where the people came from, and who's coordinating what.

There may be a federal offense in there.

Speaking of which, is it time to impeach Eric Holder yet?
 
Wow...very well said stu and leon. You guys said everything and anything that I was going to post. I did want to suggest one thing though (even though it was probably already stated somewhere) what about doing away with public education and reverting to charter schools? They cost the tax payers half of what a public school does and they have almost double the graduation rate. Also, the teacher gets paid by his/her merits and if they are not performing up to par then they get fired...explains why the high graduation rate.
My wife is a Registered Nurse and is forced to belong to a union in order to work in this state. She doesn't agree with unions because they often keep incompetant nurses in work...not just her opionion...for ex: a nurse was put on probation for giving the wrong meds to a patient...she was put on probation for a week and told she had to be error free for that week or she would be let go...the very first day that nurse (who has been a nurse for 12+yrs) made three med errors...when the hospital tried to fire her the union stepped in and somehow saved her job...now they have a diehard pro-union worker who is incompatant and shouldn't be a nurse...maybe it's the unions plan to get people to follow the unions by only keeping around the dumb ones who follow blindly and believe everything that the unions tell them.
What also pissed my wife about her union is that they donated money to Obama's presidental campaign and used her mandatory dues to do so..when she complained to the union she was told that she didn't have a say in where or what her dues went for. So yeah, we don't like unions and I hope that when the general public sees how they actually operate and what it is actually costing them, this will be the end of unions in most states...you can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
Quote:Two things most of you guys adhere to - 1. Everybody else's job is easier than yours, and 2. You are so important you can't be replaced. Your reality is shaped by the brainwashing media. Turn off the tv and get your lazy butt off the couch once in a while.


Quote:And don't even dare to tell me I don't work hard or earn my pay. If most of you guys had my job you'd be running home to mommy crying every night. Get a pair or shut up.

So what you're trying to tell us is that everybody elses job is easier than yours, and you (and your fellow union socialists) can't be replaced?
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Oh My, you crack me up jeffo. You keep stepping on your own tongue, you have failed to answer any of the facts (or as you like to call them, attacks), and then you take a bucket of schitte (above) and hurl it into a gale, making sure that the entire bucket lands only on you.

If I am "level 1", that must mean you are a level .0002.
 
Originally Posted By: azmastablastaThis has become a less than interesting thread. The major point here is the days of wine and roses are over, the country's broke. It has nothing to do with whether the teachers, firefighters, policemen or other pensioners deserve the pensions or not. We simply can't afford it. I can't remember the last time I ran across a non-government company without unions that offered pensions. The vast majority of us take care of our own 401k plans and those with any sense understand you can't count on Social Security. It's way past time to level the playing field. I and millions like me are responsible for our own retirement, yet we are forced to pay out money to support those feeding at the govt/union tit. Without such forced robbery we might better take care of our own future. At this point I agree that it wouldn't be right to simply cut them off and throw them to the wolves. But there should not be any future grants. Same as you can't simply tell retiree's who've paid into the system to cut bait. It's simply reality staring us in the face. The money isn't there. Time to step up and take care of your own retirement like the rest of us do.

I've paid into my own retirement fund for many years, foregoing instant gratification to prepare for retirement. And I can tell you it is quite scary to sit here and watch my savings take mega hits when things turn sour. I'm talking losses in the 40/50% range. They are improving now, but hey no guarantees. We simply cannot afford to guarantee the future of the govt/union folks any longer.

It will take some genius undertaking to find a fair and equitable way to gradually phase out the govt tit, however, it must be done. Not that we don't appreciate teachers, firemen and Leo, we're broke.
Thank you for posting this, I couldn't word it like you did with out every other word being bleep!
 
You've apparently missed a few epic education debates back here jinxed.

What I support and what may happen now with the budget crises (and union intransigence), is that 100% of schooling be through vouchers or tax credits (depending on income). Let the parents decide which school they want to send their kids to.

Let ALL schools COMPETE for parent's "school credits".

That has never been able to be accomplished, largely because of the unions. THAT'S (hopefully) about to change, starting in Madison.
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Fake sick teachers may cost Wisconsin taxpayers at least $6 million
By Michelle Malkin • February 21, 2011 01:09 AM

Criminey. By the MacIver Institute’s estimate, public school union members who have participated in the ruthless “sick-in’ campaign across Wisconsin may cost taxpayers at least an estimated $6 million:

As Milwaukee Public School teachers left their classrooms to march in Madison Friday, they likely earned more than $3 million to not teach students in Wisconsin’s largest school district.

In Madison, the school district was closed for three days after hundreds of teachers engaged in a mass sick-out so they could attend protest rallies at the State Capitol. That could cost the district $2.7 million.

Late Sunday night Madison Metropolitan School District administration announced their schools would be shut down yet one more day, at a possible cost of more than $900,000.

Many of absent teachers converged on the Capitol to protest a bill which would alter their compensation packages and make changes in government employee unions’ ability to collectively bargain on issues other than wages.

While some have speculated that the absent teachers will see their pay docked, that may not be the case if they provide a doctor’s note. Due to collective bargaining rules currently in place, the absences could be considered excused and the teachers would be paid for their protesting.

That possibility took on added significance as the MacIver News Service broke the story Saturday that several doctors in lab coats were handing out medical excuse notes to passers by, without examining the ‘patients.’

…If all the teachers in Milwaukee and Madison are paid for the days missed, the protest related salaries for just the state’s two largest districts would exceed $6.6 million dollars.

Using a figure of $100,005 for average teacher compensation in MPS and an average yearly workload of 195 days, these teachers cost approximately $513 per day in salary and benefits to employ. Spread over 5,960.3 full-time licensed teachers in the district, this adds up to $3,057,634 in daily expenses.

The average teacher’s total compensation in Madison is $74,912, according to the Department of Public Instruction. Each day costs $384.16 per teacher. The district has 2,370 teachers.

These figures don’t include administrators and support staff, many of which got an unexpected paid days off thanks to the week’s protests.

Which leads to my second modest proposal of the day:

Turn in a fake doctor’s note…receive a rubber paycheck in return.

Monopoly money will do, too. If these union heavies want to play games with families’ lives, they should reap the consequences to their own bank accounts.

What a perfect illustration of Democrat Party values, eh? Educational malpractice. Medical malpractice. Economic malpractice.

Public union monopolies are the disease.

GOP Gov. Scott Walker’s dose of fiscal discipline is the cure.

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Postscript: University of Wisconsin Health is now looking into the quack doctors who handed out fake notes like Pez candy to non-sick teachers looking for excuses.

If the teachers are still clinging to their “mental health” alibis, perhaps they shouldn’t be allowed back in the classroom at all.

One of the doctors was Lou Sanner, 59, who practices family medicine at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health. Sanner said he gave out hundreds of notes and that many protesters with whom he spoke seemed to be suffering from stress.

“Some people think it’s a nod-and-a-wink thing but it’s not,” he told The Associated Press on Sunday. “One of the biggest stresses in life is the threat of loss of income, loss of job, loss of health insurance. People have actually been getting ill from this, or they can’t sleep.”

…He said he and his colleagues planned to meet Sunday night to figure out how to deal with the firestorm they touched off. The consequences could extend to their employer, which said it was investigating the events.

UW Health released a statement saying it couldn’t confirm whether any of its doctors were involved in writing notes. It added that any doctors who distributed such material did so of their own accord and not on behalf of the university.

“We are looking further into this matter,” the statement said.
 
I think that I worded the get rid of public education wrong...I was just trying to draw a comparison between the two (charter schools vs public) it creates more of choice for the parents...unions have been blocking the expansion of charter schools because they are not made up of union teachers. The cost in savings to the taxpayer is huge and the parent gets to decide which school they want their children to go to. If they are unhappy with one charter school they can go to a differnet one...my little sisters and brother went to charter schools and switched. In fact there last few years of highschool they had to drive an hour each way to go to the school that they liked. So, without burdening the state with the exhorbant cost of education, wouldn't that free up money to use on other projects in the state that you reside?
 
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