NM Leon
New member
If you'd cease posting a mudslide of studies, research papers, and articles long enough to be honest with people and make down to earth posts people can read with enjoyment the few times you DID post an article people (myself included) would read it with pleasure. At this point myself and others have become desensitized to your long rants.
I'm sure you would want me to drop the intellectual level down a few notches and not introduce actual data into the debate. It must be embarrassing for you to be constantly proven wrong by a mere truck driver.
Though you keep saying that I post articles as citations, it just isn't so.
The ONLY time I've posted an "article" in this whole series of educational threads was was here.
Remember? This is the way it went.
Scott:I think if anyone cared enough to dig into what you post they would fine large holes in your 'facts' like I am going to point out right now. I think to you 'the end justifies the means' so you type half-truths, misunderstandings, and sometimes inaccurate and incorrect statements to prove your point. Because your average PM reader doesn't care to invest the time and effort to dissect your 'copy and pastes' they take it as Gospel. Because I am basically familiar with the topic being discussed I have seen and pointed out several mistakes you make when speaking of education. Let's read below as just 1 example.
Quote:Scott initially said-
Quote:Curriculum is decided upon at a state level. No school board decides upon core subject curriculum- reading, writing , math, social studies, science.
Curriculum is decided upon at by the state department of education.
Quote:nmleon then said-
Quote:Not exactly, not even in AZ. Remember this one?
That aspect of the curriculum, presented to sixth-graders, had drawn concern from parents who felt that the information was too advanced for students at that age. “We’re talking about teaching sixth-grade kids stuff we should be teaching them at grades nine, 10, 11 and 12,” said district parent Sudeep Mehta at the Kyrene board meeting in which the changes were adopted.
Scott then said:
The link you provided and expound upon above is referring to sex education being taught, not as I mentioned core subject curriculum- reading, writing , math, social studies, science. Why would you ignore these core area subject I mentioned and pick an odd curriculum that is taught a few days a year and show where school board opened it up for discussion and change? It doesn't apply. It is not a core area subject and the state leaves the specifics of sex education to the school board to decide. I even posted a link to the AZ Department of Education's site where it showed you first hand. No where on that list did it mention sex education but you found an article speaking of sex education and pushed a round peg into a square hole and tried to prove a point with it.
You then went on to "prove" the point by listing a whole page from the AZ Dept of ED on Sex ED, and wound up with this little zinger
I honestly feel if someone delved into your postings with intent they would uncover more of these type of antics.
I just need to stay out of this area of the forum. You like-minded people can just sit down here and bounce conspiracy theories off each other until you're blue in the face. You impact such a minuscule amount of people down here it really doesn't make a difference if you state incorrect facts and lies about public education.
Well, it seems you may not only be ignorant of national education, but of AZ education policy as well.
Here's an e-mail I got when I delved into your postings., uncovering just one of your many antics (yet again).
Good morning Leon,
Thank you for contacting the Arizona Department of Education.
The state legislature and the department of Education work together to create standards for each academic subject in each grade. These standards out line exactly what a student should know by the time he or she completes a certain grade. However, the laws leave it up to individual districts to formulate their own curriculum, or the methodologies and texts that they use to help students meet the standards. Then teachers formulate their own lesson plans. Most Governing Boards have a curriculum committee that calculates instructional design.
I hope you find this information helpful. We appreciate the opportunity to be of service.
Sincerely,
Karla Bravo
Constituent Services
Arizona Department of Education
Don't be too disheartened, I'm sure we all still believe you are the PM expert on education...in a 6th grade classroom...in the Gilbert school district.
I'm sure you would want me to drop the intellectual level down a few notches and not introduce actual data into the debate. It must be embarrassing for you to be constantly proven wrong by a mere truck driver.
Though you keep saying that I post articles as citations, it just isn't so.
The ONLY time I've posted an "article" in this whole series of educational threads was was here.
Remember? This is the way it went.
Scott:I think if anyone cared enough to dig into what you post they would fine large holes in your 'facts' like I am going to point out right now. I think to you 'the end justifies the means' so you type half-truths, misunderstandings, and sometimes inaccurate and incorrect statements to prove your point. Because your average PM reader doesn't care to invest the time and effort to dissect your 'copy and pastes' they take it as Gospel. Because I am basically familiar with the topic being discussed I have seen and pointed out several mistakes you make when speaking of education. Let's read below as just 1 example.
Quote:Scott initially said-
Quote:Curriculum is decided upon at a state level. No school board decides upon core subject curriculum- reading, writing , math, social studies, science.
Curriculum is decided upon at by the state department of education.
Quote:nmleon then said-
Quote:Not exactly, not even in AZ. Remember this one?
That aspect of the curriculum, presented to sixth-graders, had drawn concern from parents who felt that the information was too advanced for students at that age. “We’re talking about teaching sixth-grade kids stuff we should be teaching them at grades nine, 10, 11 and 12,” said district parent Sudeep Mehta at the Kyrene board meeting in which the changes were adopted.
Scott then said:
The link you provided and expound upon above is referring to sex education being taught, not as I mentioned core subject curriculum- reading, writing , math, social studies, science. Why would you ignore these core area subject I mentioned and pick an odd curriculum that is taught a few days a year and show where school board opened it up for discussion and change? It doesn't apply. It is not a core area subject and the state leaves the specifics of sex education to the school board to decide. I even posted a link to the AZ Department of Education's site where it showed you first hand. No where on that list did it mention sex education but you found an article speaking of sex education and pushed a round peg into a square hole and tried to prove a point with it.
You then went on to "prove" the point by listing a whole page from the AZ Dept of ED on Sex ED, and wound up with this little zinger
I honestly feel if someone delved into your postings with intent they would uncover more of these type of antics.
I just need to stay out of this area of the forum. You like-minded people can just sit down here and bounce conspiracy theories off each other until you're blue in the face. You impact such a minuscule amount of people down here it really doesn't make a difference if you state incorrect facts and lies about public education.
Well, it seems you may not only be ignorant of national education, but of AZ education policy as well.
Here's an e-mail I got when I delved into your postings., uncovering just one of your many antics (yet again).
Good morning Leon,
Thank you for contacting the Arizona Department of Education.
The state legislature and the department of Education work together to create standards for each academic subject in each grade. These standards out line exactly what a student should know by the time he or she completes a certain grade. However, the laws leave it up to individual districts to formulate their own curriculum, or the methodologies and texts that they use to help students meet the standards. Then teachers formulate their own lesson plans. Most Governing Boards have a curriculum committee that calculates instructional design.
I hope you find this information helpful. We appreciate the opportunity to be of service.
Sincerely,
Karla Bravo
Constituent Services
Arizona Department of Education
Don't be too disheartened, I'm sure we all still believe you are the PM expert on education...in a 6th grade classroom...in the Gilbert school district.