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Fast And Furious Scandal: A Watergate For Obama?


Border: A 2-year-old video shows a high Justice official saying "the president has directed us," including the attorney general, to speed up Project Gunrunner and the offshoot that got a border agent killed.

This tape has no 18-minute gap, and while it does not feature the president himself, the March 24, 2009, video may rival the tape that turned a "third-rate burglary" into a presidential resignation. No one died at Watergate. Agent Brian Terry lost his life in the administration's obsessive pursuit of gun control.

In addition to Agent Terry, Immigration Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was also killed in a separate incident by a weapon allowed to "walk" into Mexico from the U.S. as part of the administration's third-rate alleged attempt to track and catch gun traffickers.

The video shows Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, who would resign nine months later after less than a year's service, telling reporters at a Department of Justice briefing of major policy initiatives to fight the Mexican drug cartels.

"The president has directed us to take action to fight these cartels," Ogden begins, "and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the administration's comprehensive plan."

At the president's direction, Ogden said, the administration's plan included DOJ's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives "increasing its efforts by adding 37 new employees in three new offices, using $10 million in Recovery Act funds and redeploying 100 personnel to the Southwest border in the next 45 days to fortify its Project Gunrunner," of which Operation Fast and Furious would be a part.

As we have noted, Attorney General Eric Holder himself gave a speech to Mexican authorities in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, taking credit for Gunrunner as well as Fast and Furious for himself and the Obama administration.

Holder told the audience: "Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner."

The administration's animus towards private gun ownership and the Second Amendment surfaced during the 2008 campaign, when President Obama spoke of bitter Pennsylvania townsfolk clinging to their guns. The Chicago Tribune noted that candidate Obama thought the District of Columbia's total gun ban was constitutional, an opinion with which the U.S. Supreme Court disagreed in its Heller decision.

Shortly after taking office, both Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and AG Holder made a point of putting forth what we and others have called "the 90% lie" at the same time the administration was advocating "sensible restrictions" on gun ownership.

The effort included releasing a report claiming that 90% of the weapons used by the Mexican drug cartels were purchased from or originated from the U.S. The actual number was found to be closer to 8%. But it perpetuated the myth that "easy access" to guns cause crime.

Last Thursday, some six months after the Tucson shootings that killed six and wounded 13, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the White House announced it was working on "common-sense measures" to improve public safety.

"The process is well under way at the Department of Justice," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced.

Of course, this is the same DOJ that pushed Gunrunner and Fast and Furious. Common sense has nothing to do with it. It is part of the administration's agenda to push gun control and chip away at our Second Amendment rights.

After funneling some 2,500 guns to criminals and drug lords, the DOJ announced it is requiring gun stores in Arizona, California, Texas and New Mexico to report individual purchases of multiple rifles of greater than .22 caliber by law-abiding American citizens to the ATF because — get this — such guns are "frequently recovered at violent crime scenes near the Southwest border."

Really? Does that include the administration-supplied weapons that killed Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata? Where's the public apology for their deaths? "Brian Terry's loss was preventable," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chair of the House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee investigating this operation. "It was regrettable and preventable."

And now the trail leads directly into the Oval Office.
 
The media continues to be silent on this. Very frustrating. Put an (R) after Obama's name and this would be a whole different media conversation.
 
The habitual whimpering over the treatment the President receives from the media is ridiculous. Comparing a lawful Government operation to the watergate scandal is silly.
 
you and I have very different notions of what "a lawful Government operation" would be if you think this is one of them.
 
Quote:The habitual whimpering over the treatment the President receives from the media is ridiculous. Comparing a lawful Government operation to the watergate scandal is silly.

That statement is worse than silly, it's totally absurd. "Habitually" pointing out the undeniable fact of the bias of the Obama media is not "whimpering".

Do you really think that deliberately supplying criminal organizations in a foreign country (and ally) with weapons that (so far) have been used to murder 100s of that country's LEOs and military personnel (and at least two U.S. LEOs) is "a lawful Government operation" HB? Really?

On the contrary, since the Mexican government is using their military to fight the cartels, it's not only against U.S. and international law, it comes very close to being an act of war.

The attempted cover-up of the Watergate burglary (resulting in zero injuries or deaths) eventually led to the AG and on to the President.

The actual gunrunning operations themselves (not just the attempted cover-up) look now like they can be traced to this AG and maybe to the President's office.

I'd say a comparison to Watergate is entirely apropos. The biggest difference that I see between the gunrunning operations and Watergate, is that in this case Mexico wants to prosecute the people responsible after we are done with them.
 
I don't believe that any proof exists that the administration 'deliberately' supplied criminal organizations. I am very aware of the minutiae surrounding Watergate. The 'cover-up' in this situation is a conservative conspiracy theory.
 
Quote:I don't believe that any proof exists that the administration 'deliberately' supplied criminal organizations. I am very aware of the minutiae surrounding Watergate. The 'cover-up' in this situation is a conservative conspiracy theory.
The (now) stated purpose of the operations was to allow the guns to make their way to high level cartel members in Mexico in order to build evidence against them for criminal prosecution. That certainly provides "proof" from their own statement that they deliberately allowed guns to be supplied to the cartels.

The second part of their statement, that they were trying to build a criminal case against cartel members in Mexico, is absurd on the face of it. They had no way to track the weapons once they were across the border (they hadn't even notified the Mexican government of the operation's details, practises, and parameters, much less liaised with them), and had no jurisdiction in any case.

As for a cover-up, were you not aware that Holder in sworn testimony to congress claimed he had no knowledge of the operation until a date well after the story had broken? How do you square that sworn statement with this?

"The president has directed us to take action to fight these cartels," Ogden begins, "and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the administration's comprehensive plan."

At the president's direction, Ogden said, the administration's plan included DOJ's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives "increasing its efforts by adding 37 new employees in three new offices, using $10 million in Recovery Act funds and redeploying 100 personnel to the Southwest border in the next 45 days to fortify its Project Gunrunner," of which Operation Fast and Furious would be a part.

As we have noted, Attorney General Eric Holder himself gave a speech to Mexican authorities in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, taking credit for Gunrunner as well as Fast and Furious for himself and the Obama administration.

Holder told the audience: "Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner."

The White house also claims that that they had no knowledge of the operations until they saw it on the news, but besides the above, in the 09 stimulus that Obama assured us he had personally gone over line by line, he allocated $10m specifically to the operation by name.

Then there's the documents provided by DOJ under congressional subpoena that are totally blacked out (redacted). According to congressman Issa who is doing the investigation, they have NOT been forthcoming with the (unredacted) evidence he knows exists through whistle-blower testimony, and have not in fact provided anything that can't readily be found in the public domain.

No proof they were deliberately allowing guns to be run to criminals? No evidence of a cover-up? Surely you jest HB. Even a confirmed Obama supporter can't have his head that far into the sand.
 
Black @zz Chicago Jesus will skate on this fo sur. He'll have some stooge take the hit -its what they do to avoid real responsibility. Its all he has done "blame someone else". Typical lazy @zz bs,

T2G
 
Originally Posted By: HunterBear71Good Lord, now we will prosecute the police for operating a sting? The hatred for this President really does appear to transcend policy. Nothing will happen, your safe, Go to sleep now.
 
Originally Posted By: ozzyOriginally Posted By: HunterBear71Good Lord, now we will prosecute the police for operating a sting? The hatred for this President really does appear to transcend policy. Nothing will happen, your safe, Go to sleep now.

You know nothing will happen because the obamamedia is gonna willfully not report anything about it that will implicate O. You may bury your head in the sand but the word is getting around , maybe even Fox will report something that the rest of the MSM will suppress. This would be the end of O if the facts were communicated to the general public in a non-biased(truthful manor).
 
Originally Posted By: HunterBear71I know nothing will happen. Nothing should happen. You're safe as well.

None are so blind as those who will not see. This will play out, HB. If you're old enough and have always been a Democrat, I'm sure you were outraged at the Iran/Contra scandal.

If you were, you should educate yourself on this operation and understand why what the DOJ did was not only unethical and unthinkable from a law enforcement perspective, but directly contributed to the bloodshed across the border and deaths of U.S. law enforcement officers.

Let me repeat - Firearms were illegally obtained under the watchful eye of several federal law enforcement agencies, were allowed to cross the border into Mexico and used to murder civilians, Mexican authorities, and at least 2 U.S. law enforcement officers.

If you can't find anything wrong with a scenario where federal law enforcement agencies willfully allow these events to happen, you may want to re-examine your moral compass - regardless of political affiliation.
 
Quote:Good Lord, now we will prosecute the police for operating a sting? The hatred for this President really does appear to transcend policy.
Good Lord, now we might hold those in government who have been guilty of crimes accountable. Get over your idea that this is somehow due to "hatred" of our president, and look at the law.

No we probably won't (and shouldn't) hold "police" accountable, the agents on the the ground (the police) were the ones who repeatedly protested against these actions and are the ones that blew the whistle! We should darned sure hold their bosses accountable though.

Where's the "sting" HB? The higher-ups in the DOJ (at least) dictated that guns be sold illegally over the objection of gun store owners and agents, the agents then followed the weapons to the border, and then were ordered explicitly to allow the weapons to cross the border where they knew they could no longer follow them.

Please HB, explain to me just how this "sting" operation was supposed to work (even in theory).

Will you really continue to defend this president and his administration in complicity in MURDER[?

You Sir, (and your fellow travellers) should be grievously ashamed of the apparent crimes of the current administration, even as I was ashamed as a young Republican during Watergate.
 
Under bush it was a sting op. agents watched straw purchasers, allowed them to take possession of the weapons & then immediately arrested them for prosecution.

that changed under obama. no arrests, no prosecutions. they watched the guns cross the border & that was that. the mexican govt was not informed of this, so there's no possibility of it having been a joint, cooperative operation between our law enforcement and theirs. Our own BATFE attache in mexico was not even informed of this operation.

It was a cold, calculated act intended to create the "data" to be used to justify a new push for gun control on us.

As a result, we now know that at least 1800 guns went south of the border and both american and mexican citizens are dead.
 
I admit being overly harsh on the President of the United States, Barak Obama in my last post. But, then I think of the harsh reality of the dead and their families and it is tame compated to their treatment.

I dislike the man's policies, tenets and general carriage of our Countrys' business. Our(his/mine) hopes & dreams are diametrically opposed and will state so everywhere I go.

HB71: Ever hear the fish rots from the head down...and this Chicago River Trout stinks of failure, pandering and demagoguery.

T2G
 
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