Winning or loosing???

we started the AR forum in 09 & that was after a long time of resisting doing it, as we simply were not convinced that there had been enough interest to warrant splitting them out into a separate forum. by then we were seeing a lot more people talking about them, created the forum & it's been going strong ever since.

the constant attacks on them, the insistence that they aren't good for hunting & can't be used for hunting just served to drive more people to try it & see for themselves. and as they did so, their friends who hunted with them saw how well they worked for it then they gave it a try & so on.

yes, there are still some old school types who refuse to get it but I think these are more the type who also would never have a synthetic stock on their hunting rifle either.
 
Originally Posted By: reloader326Swift, I’m going to keep this respectful.
You are bad mouthing today's youth for being lazy, spoiled and unmotivated, yet you say that you will give up your guns if they tell you to.The second amendment is not about the love of guns, it’s about our basic right of Americans to protect themselves from a tyrannical government now and forever, this isn’t something that you don’t already know.
Giving up YOUR right to possess firearms means that you are throwing away the rights of future generations to protect themselves as well because you are not willing to put up a fight. So take a look in the mirror and tell yourself again who sounds lazy, spoiled and unmotivated.

I get it what you are saying reloader...I do. as well as what the others are saying. Personally, I would hate to see it go that way. I am not trying to imply that I want this to happen. I really don't want it to. I also know the potential of the "domino effect" with more things in the constitution being amended if gun control wins.

Here is how I see/ perceive it. Every new generation that enters the adult world seems to change on what their values are on "what's important". I get the impression that the 2A seems to be falling further and further down that ladder. Just my perception- not from what I see in the news- but from the many...many young folks I talk to at my job as well as in the streets. Which, BTW is how I am also perceiving the youth today. I am well aware that weather you watch FOX or CNN....news is controlled an biased. IDK, maybe it's just the region I live in.

I have always been more interested in watching the behavior of folks instead of listening to the hype. Which is why, Reloader, I have looked at that man in the mirror and asked him, "How far would you be willing to go if it came down to me being told I have to turn in my guns." "If I resisted, would I be standing along, with a small group of resistance, or would the resistance be too overwhelming for a government to control?" What happened in Connecticut a few years back with the "in your face' resistance to mandatory gun registration was quite pleasing and did bring a sliver of hope to my mind. However, based on the current atmosphere, I just don't think most folks would be ready to roll out in an all out resistance IF the govmnt got real serious about it. That being said, I also think that this scenario is a very remote one in the possibility department. At least at this point in time.
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterOriginally Posted By: Stu Farishhttps://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/03/29/march-lives-not-quite-billed/

I clicked on another article about separating hunters from other gun owners. It's so true, too. I recently met a hunter who argued there was no reason to own an AR-15. After talking with him for 10 minutes he "got" it. The point isn't just AR-15's, and I think that's what you older folks are seeing different. The left is bolder now. They're going for EVERYTHING this time. When you tell a hunter semi-auto shotguns are on the table, all bets are off, and they're po'd!

If our 2A disappears, I can't imagine what life in this country will be like, and I don't want to imagine it. Seeing as how offended these snowflakes are over everything, I imagine our libel laws would make Australia's seem tolerable.

Let me begin by stating, I agree with almost every statement made throughout this entire thread and recognize that we all are (or should be) on the same page. My beef is with those who cannot, or will not recognize the advantage of uniting behind the strongest pro-gun organization we have. Sure, like all of us, they do make an occasional mistake, but look at the overall results over many years.

Oh, this "older folks" GETS IT! I got it well over half a century ago when I first became involved in the never ending fight to preserve the 2A. The socialists (let's call them what they are) are and never will be satisfied. Their MO is to divide and conquer, one facet of the firearms community against the other. Sooner or later their opposition is whittled down to the point they are no longer effective.

What I do not, and cannot understand is the "younger folks"
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who are willing to throw the NRA to the curb just because they do not agree with each and every decision made. I will say it one more time........If it were not for the NRA, lots of "younger folks" today would be asking, "2nd Amendment, what was that?"

I won't be around that much longer, and I sincerely hope that "all folks", young and old alike, will continue the fight; join the opposition to the anti-gunners, preferably by joining and supporting the NRA, which is unarguably the biggest, strongest and most respected (spelled F E A R E D) that we have. Just think what could be accomplished with the support of ALL gun owners.

We can only be divided if we LET them do so.

OK, I'm off my soap box now. Carry on.

Regards,
hm
 
FWIW, I think we're experiencing a huge sales job, to make this stuff look a lot bigger & more significant that it really is.

whether it will work & close the deal are the questions. right now I don't think it will.
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishwhere they're becoming weaker in that attempt is the fact that now there are millions of hunters who routinely use AR15's for hunting. it's a lot harder to sell the lie when more people have real world, hands-on experience with the truth.


I fully agree. They don't realize it, because they're so far removed from anything gun related it's funny. They don't even know the laws that are already on the books, but they're arguing for more!
 
Originally Posted By: swift oneOriginally Posted By: reloader326Swift, I’m going to keep this respectful.
You are bad mouthing today's youth for being lazy, spoiled and unmotivated, yet you say that you will give up your guns if they tell you to.The second amendment is not about the love of guns, it’s about our basic right of Americans to protect themselves from a tyrannical government now and forever, this isn’t something that you don’t already know.
Giving up YOUR right to possess firearms means that you are throwing away the rights of future generations to protect themselves as well because you are not willing to put up a fight. So take a look in the mirror and tell yourself again who sounds lazy, spoiled and unmotivated.

I get it what you are saying reloader...I do. as well as what the others are saying. Personally, I would hate to see it go that way. I am not trying to imply that I want this to happen. I really don't want it to. I also know the potential of the "domino effect" with more things in the constitution being amended if gun control wins.

Here is how I see/ perceive it. Every new generation that enters the adult world seems to change on what their values are on "what's important". I get the impression that the 2A seems to be falling further and further down that ladder. Just my perception- not from what I see in the news- but from the many...many young folks I talk to at my job as well as in the streets. Which, BTW is how I am also perceiving the youth today. I am well aware that weather you watch FOX or CNN....news is controlled an biased. IDK, maybe it's just the region I live in.

I have always been more interested in watching the behavior of folks instead of listening to the hype. Which is why, Reloader, I have looked at that man in the mirror and asked him, "How far would you be willing to go if it came down to me being told I have to turn in my guns." "If I resisted, would I be standing along, with a small group of resistance, or would the resistance be too overwhelming for a government to control?" What happened in Connecticut a few years back with the "in your face' resistance to mandatory gun registration was quite pleasing and did bring a sliver of hope to my mind. However, based on the current atmosphere, I just don't think most folks would be ready to roll out in an all out resistance IF the govmnt got real serious about it. That being said, I also think that this scenario is a very remote one in the possibility department. At least at this point in time.

It must be your area, man. Our youth here all ride quads, hunt, fish, shoot guns, work on cars and farms, and would be considered rednecks by all city-standards. Heck, our high school even has a tractor day, where all the kids drive their tractors to school! These are hardworking kids who all got dirt under their finger nails and the truck to prove it.
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996The socialists (let's call them what they are) are and never will be satisfied.

Right there. Exactly what you said. Until everything is gone, it'll never be enough, and that's where the people on the fence with the NRA stand. Don't give them anything. Forget appeasing them, because it'll be onto the next. Stand firm and say NO to everything. You want safer schools? Let's make safer schools by adding security. I want to see the NRA stop trying to pander to their emotions by offering sacrifices, even if it's bump stocks.
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterIt must be your area, man. Our youth here all ride quads, hunt, fish, shoot guns, work on cars and farms, and would be considered rednecks by all city-standards. Heck, our high school even has a tractor day, where all the kids drive their tractors to school! These are hardworking kids who all got dirt under their finger nails and the truck to prove it.

that is the kind of small town farming and ranching community i was born and raised in.

i guarantee you that is a very small blip on the radar of what the real world is like now days. but you know that. 95% of the generation up to bat next worry the [beeep] out of me. bunch of dipstick sheep with no common sense.
 
Originally Posted By: Flesh EaterOriginally Posted By: swift oneOriginally Posted By: reloader326Swift, I’m going to keep this respectful.
You are bad mouthing today's youth for being lazy, spoiled and unmotivated, yet you say that you will give up your guns if they tell you to.The second amendment is not about the love of guns, it’s about our basic right of Americans to protect themselves from a tyrannical government now and forever, this isn’t something that you don’t already know.
Giving up YOUR right to possess firearms means that you are throwing away the rights of future generations to protect themselves as well because you are not willing to put up a fight. So take a look in the mirror and tell yourself again who sounds lazy, spoiled and unmotivated.

I get it what you are saying reloader...I do. as well as what the others are saying. Personally, I would hate to see it go that way. I am not trying to imply that I want this to happen. I really don't want it to. I also know the potential of the "domino effect" with more things in the constitution being amended if gun control wins.

Here is how I see/ perceive it. Every new generation that enters the adult world seems to change on what their values are on "what's important". I get the impression that the 2A seems to be falling further and further down that ladder. Just my perception- not from what I see in the news- but from the many...many young folks I talk to at my job as well as in the streets. Which, BTW is how I am also perceiving the youth today. I am well aware that weather you watch FOX or CNN....news is controlled an biased. IDK, maybe it's just the region I live in.

I have always been more interested in watching the behavior of folks instead of listening to the hype. Which is why, Reloader, I have looked at that man in the mirror and asked him, "How far would you be willing to go if it came down to me being told I have to turn in my guns." "If I resisted, would I be standing along, with a small group of resistance, or would the resistance be too overwhelming for a government to control?" What happened in Connecticut a few years back with the "in your face' resistance to mandatory gun registration was quite pleasing and did bring a sliver of hope to my mind. However, based on the current atmosphere, I just don't think most folks would be ready to roll out in an all out resistance IF the govmnt got real serious about it. That being said, I also think that this scenario is a very remote one in the possibility department. At least at this point in time.

It must be your area, man. Our youth here all ride quads, hunt, fish, shoot guns, work on cars and farms, and would be considered rednecks by all city-standards. Heck, our high school even has a tractor day, where all the kids drive their tractors to school! These are hardworking kids who all got dirt under their finger nails and the truck to prove it.

I remember the tractor day in the small community I was raised in. I remember the gun racks in the rear windows of the trucks with guns in them on school property. Good times right there!!

I live in a smallish town now (Westville, IN) that is made of quite a bit of farming. I used to hunt a lot of those farms. Right before I stopped most of my hunting, I noticed that on a lot of the farms, the old school farmers were worried about how their enterprises because a lot of the sons/ daughters are not wanting to take over the business. That has to really be a kick in the butt for those farmers.

I will say that west of the Mississippi my observations were different. While on a hunting trip to WY, the police were actually upset that we were not carrying pistols while being in cat country. I was actually floored, LOL. That IS NOT THE NORM here in the Chicago region.

But alas, most of our country's pop is on the east side of the big creek. And there is that whole California thing out there too. My opinion is that a lot of our gun freedoms are probably riding well off into the sunset.
 
Quote:In 50 years of fighting for gun rights, I have never seen a threat this serious. I'll do everything I can. But we need for all of us do to everything we can. We can win, but not if we aren't fighting with our time and our money.

If not now, then when? If not you, then who? ~ Tom

Tom Gresham

Bears repeating.

Regards,
hm
 
Dear Liberal Government!!

After a nearly 40 year long "War on Drugs" you can't keep drugs off the streets, you can't keep drugs out of elementary schools, you cant keep drugs out of Federal Prisons.

Yet, you want to disarm me and trust that YOU can keep criminals from obtaining firearms thus making me safer?.

Really, just how stupid do you think I am?????
 
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