Who needs a $2500 scope????? ReALLy????

Yeah there is a cool video they posted of my last stage from 100-500. Cant post on here due to my lack using correct English....haha
 
Originally Posted By: 220_SwiftOriginally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeNice $20 scope,if that's really the case ?
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The ticket that won it cost $20.00 but I might have bought a few more that didn't win too.
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Kind of like all my friends seem to always win at the casino.At least all I ever hear about is when they win.
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The statement "I win money at the casino" translates to...
1. I have won here and there...
2. I did really good for the first couple of hours, but ended up losing it all back, but that's okay, it was the casino's money anyway...

Then there are the deluded, "I'm a high roller, I get comped for meals and rooms", which means they lose a fair amount of money to where the casino wants to keep them there longer.
 
Originally Posted By: xphunterOriginally Posted By: DropadoglvOriginally Posted By: xphunterOriginally Posted By: JTPinTXHigher magnification at night causes more trouble than it helps.
THIS!

I believe when it comes to just about anything. It's "all to each his own". What works for some, may not work for others.

Does anyone here use 18x or more for hunting at night?
If so, I am curious to know what kind of NV you are using.

Elite 4200 6-24x MilDot, Put a torch on a Bobcat in a tree at 150 yards and it looks like daytime, want to know what that animal is crank it up from the 8x I typically leave it at and there it is.

My Zeiss 3-9x I leave at 9x
 
Originally Posted By: xphunterOriginally Posted By: DropadoglvOriginally Posted By: xphunterOriginally Posted By: DropadoglvOriginally Posted By: xphunterOriginally Posted By: JTPinTXHigher magnification at night causes more trouble than it helps.
THIS!

I believe when it comes to just about anything. It's "all to each his own". What works for some, may not work for others.

Does anyone here use 18x or more for hunting at night?
If so, I am curious to know what kind of NV you are using. I do, but since you quoted me, safe to assume you knew that already. And I'm NOT using NV....what's the norm, doesn't work for everyone! Talking about myself. And since I do have a couple of years under my belt, (over 42 yrs) no one is going to change my mind!! I have and use many types of scopes, from cheap vortex to Nightforce. I have no problems using my 6-6.5X18-20's at night. Which 80% of my predator hunting takes place! You use what you prefer, and I'll do the same!

I wasn't talking about using variable power scopes.
I was asking if anyone here that uses NV (not other means) uses high magnification to hunt with (not dealing with shooting) at night?


Awe..gotcha...please accept my apology!
 
No problem
Most of my scopes are high magnification variables as well.
The scopes I have used with NV end up somewhere between 3-9 when hunting and then turned up (sometimes) when shooting steel-Kind of depends on the distance.
 
Originally Posted By: Willicd76If you are not constantly dialing turrets, a $500 scope will serve you as well as anything made at any price!

Have to agree with that statement. That's why I have chosen the ballistic plex and now the new E1 reticles as they get the job done nicely for me. I seldom shoot past 300 yds and never touch a knob once the rifle is sighted in. Have owned a dozen or more Burris 3-9, 2-10 & 4.5-14's and with exception of one every one zeroed w/no drama & held zero. Will they pass the box test? I have no idea, because that is of no importance to me, so long as one 1/4 moa click moves POI 1/2" in the desired direction @ 100 yds.

By the way, the one 4.5-14 that did not track satisfactorily was promptly corrected by Burris excellent customer service dept.

Burris glass is as good as any I have looked through. Does anyone make any better glass? I would hope so, judging by the prices of some of the high tier scopes, but I don't feel handicapped w/the less expensive scopes for my purposes. They are sooo far superior to the 1950 vintage "Redshnells" that I cut my teeth on that it isn't funny.

Regards,
hm
 
Originally Posted By: hm1996
Willicd76 said:
so long as one 1/4 moa click moves POI 1/4" in the desired direction @ 100 yds.



Fixed it for ya HM.


Here is my opinion, and take it for what its worth....and that isn't much.

There are lots of different types of shooters. Each shooter has different equipment applied to it. While in some cases equipment spills over for different applications. For instance, I had a 223 built last year. I mainly use it for plinking, but I take it coyote hunting as well as it is set up as my night rig. It has a NF NXS 5.5x22 on with badger rings, RVC 21.5" barrel, and a suppressor, in a McCrees chasis. It is Less than light, ill put it that way. However I am confident with is, as I shoot it quite a bit.

I have a DPMS 16" upper that I had a redfield 4x12 on for the longest time I also killed coyotes with. Killed them just fine, and it was lighter, shorter, and more maneuverable. I have never killed or even shot at a coyote in Ohio over 75yds. (I don't get many shots at coyotes, so that doesn't mean much) I loved that redfield 4x12 for numerous reasons. Simplicity was the main reason. Put the cross hairs on what you want dead, pull the trigger, and things fall down....PERFECT. Glass always did what I needed it too, and it held zero. Now, with that said, this was years ago before I knew anything about LR shooting, and the equipment that goes with it. I have no problem taking my NXS out and hunting with it. Using that scope and its adjustments are second nature to me now.

Coyote hunting does not have to get overly complicated when it comes to gun/scope setups IMO. Id be more than willing to be there has been a pile of coyotes killed over the years with the various 22 cal rifles, and a 3x9 scope. Either that is what people have, or what they feel confident with. Honestly if it works for you....then it works. That doesn't mean that one thing works better than another. Some people say the 17 cals don't killed coyotes. If I had to guess, there are more than a couple of people on here that would have to argue with that statement.

When it comes to glass though, obviously it can be twisted any direction you want to take it. I personally feel that as long as it is decent glass that holds zero every time you pull trigger, then it works. A good old Nikon prostaff or redfield works just fine IMO. If that's what you have, its better than nothing. When I purchased my Nikon buck master some years ago, I about died spending $275 on it. I thought that was the nicest most expensive scope id ever be able to afford. It still holds zero, and has killed plenty of critters since then. Noowwwww.....my mentality has changed a little bit more. I have gotten older, and have seen some of the top tier stuff out there and it has messed with my head. Once you look through a bender, Steiner, premier, march, NF, ect....it ruins you, and I mean RUINS you. It is easy to see what the extra money gets you.

A member on here was gracious enough to invite me shooting about 3 years ago long range. He had an incredible rifle topped with a Bender. He didn't let me mess around at the short range, we went straight to the 1000 yd bench. 5 minutes later I was ruined. The sickness bit me, it was over. The funny thing was, he told me...."You know, over the years I kept buying different scopes to find one with the best glass. Things didn't seem clear enough for me. That's why I got a bender. Then I had my cataracts fixed....and wow is a bender clear" HAHA

I see a lot of guys with overly expensive equipment shooting each month, that still don't shoot as well as other guys/girls shooting equipment half the price. It all boils down to practice, and confidence level. If you have a $2,500 scope, and cant hit a coyote at 100 yds off sticks, its not better than someone with $250 scope that can drop a coyote in its tracks. while a quality scope is important, the person running it inevitably is the most important thing. If you have the coin to have nice things....why not!
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Originally Posted By: Smokin250 while a quality scope is important, the person running it inevitably is the most important thing. If you have the coin to have nice things....why not!
THIS^^^^^
 
Who needs a Ford 250 or Chevy 2500 when they don't use the capability of the truck? Or use a 300 elk hunting when a 30-06 has been getting it done for years? Or a car that goes 160 mph when we can only drive 80 on the interstate? Because there will be that one time where you will need to pull a trailer, that one time that bull elk is out there at 600 yards quartering towards you or that one time you reach a back road no one is ever on and want to make that car go fast. I'm sure you get my point lol. And honestly it is just a personal preference just like guys that will buy a carbine AR15 that is $1000+ dollars when I can get one for $500 and run them with the guys that have the expensive one. People like to have what other people do not have, people like to want things, and by all means that is fine. I do the samething if we did not have this we you wouldn't see all the markets for scope.. I have scope from Nikon to a $1000 Vortex but I tend to stay around vortex in the PST line because it seem like you get what you pay for an even more without making a mortgage payment on a scope.

$2,000 scopes are a prime example of capitalism and economics. If it was up to the government to sell optics we would probably only have Leupold, Trijicon, Aimpoint, and Eotech to choose from.
 
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeSome days my friends are just to serious,but we still kill stuff !
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LMAO!!! The Tweedle hat on Kevin is too much, especially if'n you know him!
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