TxPigKiller
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My Take? Sounds like an excellent oppurtunity for the Marines to have some machinegun practice.
What's your take on the caravan?
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Foxpro.223
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littledawg
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Originally Posted By: FursniperThe government in those countries are corrupt and they have let their citizens down. Instead of leaving their country, they should stay there and fight for their civil rights and take their country back.
The drug cartels rule the government and the people by extortion in Central America and Mexico. Mexico has shown that it is impossible for their police and military to conquer the drug cartels. Mexico's previous president tried to do that and failed.
I believe the best way those countries can defeat the cartels is if the citizens are allowed to be armed to defend their life and their property. The vast majority are good people. If they could defend themselves, I think it would be a game changer. They should try to get their government to allow citizens to possess firearms for self defense.
I'm pretty sure we tried this once, although they called it a fight against communism. He11, they made movies about it. They ended up in the same boat they are in now and we ended up with the crack-cocaine epidemic. And the co-conspirator is now called a great American Patriot running the NRA. We may have even tried it a couple of times in the Middle East, Korea, and South East Asia. We even supplied the guns and bullets.
The drug cartels rule the government and the people by extortion in Central America and Mexico. Mexico has shown that it is impossible for their police and military to conquer the drug cartels. Mexico's previous president tried to do that and failed.
I believe the best way those countries can defeat the cartels is if the citizens are allowed to be armed to defend their life and their property. The vast majority are good people. If they could defend themselves, I think it would be a game changer. They should try to get their government to allow citizens to possess firearms for self defense.
I'm pretty sure we tried this once, although they called it a fight against communism. He11, they made movies about it. They ended up in the same boat they are in now and we ended up with the crack-cocaine epidemic. And the co-conspirator is now called a great American Patriot running the NRA. We may have even tried it a couple of times in the Middle East, Korea, and South East Asia. We even supplied the guns and bullets.
Quote:So What's Happening ?????
All of a sudden, thousands of Hondurans decided to walk 2,500 miles !!! Buy a back-pack, arrange for food for 12,000 meals every day for 2 months, Get money for travel expenses, have drinking water for 4,000 people every day X 60 (that's 720,000 meals for the trip), get directions for the best route to take, have extra clothes and sanitary items, have medical care available, prepare for rainy days, get 4,000 sleeping bags!! NOTE: If they can cover 25 miles, every day, it will take them 60 days to cover 1,500 miles. And amazingly, they all decided to do this all of a sudden, all at once, and timed there departure so they would arrive in the USA just in time for our mid-term election. What an amazing happenstance.
Let this sink in while you watch the news.
(Spontaneous ????????? So was Pearl Harbor)
Author unknown, but find it impossible to disagree!
Regards,
hm
All of a sudden, thousands of Hondurans decided to walk 2,500 miles !!! Buy a back-pack, arrange for food for 12,000 meals every day for 2 months, Get money for travel expenses, have drinking water for 4,000 people every day X 60 (that's 720,000 meals for the trip), get directions for the best route to take, have extra clothes and sanitary items, have medical care available, prepare for rainy days, get 4,000 sleeping bags!! NOTE: If they can cover 25 miles, every day, it will take them 60 days to cover 1,500 miles. And amazingly, they all decided to do this all of a sudden, all at once, and timed there departure so they would arrive in the USA just in time for our mid-term election. What an amazing happenstance.
Let this sink in while you watch the news.
(Spontaneous ????????? So was Pearl Harbor)
Author unknown, but find it impossible to disagree!
Regards,
hm
SixsixtyMags
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2 + 2= 4, plain and simple! I highly doubt that it is just a coincidence! FOLLOW THE MONEY, I don't think most of those "poor" people could afford to make the trip without financial backing.
dogcatcher
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In the last 10 years there have been a lot of caravans of migrants, none have matched this magnitude. Last March one caravan started as 200 or 300 that suddenly grew to over 1500. This one exploded in comparison to 1600. It was like the last mega lottery, where the prize was huge and millions added more to it in the last minute.
dogcatcher
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Here is a little data about the monthly numbers of people caught by the Border Patrol, I am guessing that there are as many or more that probably made it through without being caught. Basically this makes the caravan look like a slow leak in tire, one that takes month to need more air.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing...m-year-ago.html
Quote:The government's data show there were a total of 50,308 people last month that were apprehended or deemed "inadmissible" at the Southwest border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That was up 37 percent from March 2017, when there were 16,588 people stopped, and up 203 percent from February 2018's tally of 36,695 people.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing...m-year-ago.html
Quote:The government's data show there were a total of 50,308 people last month that were apprehended or deemed "inadmissible" at the Southwest border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That was up 37 percent from March 2017, when there were 16,588 people stopped, and up 203 percent from February 2018's tally of 36,695 people.
Foxpro.223
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Being organized and paid for with taxpayer money.
He makes an interesting statement at the 1:50 minute mark.
He makes an interesting statement at the 1:50 minute mark.
Perhaps this agency could use a bit of supervision if they are passing out taxpayer funds in the form of "care packages" to the caravan!
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The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is an independent agency of the United States federal government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance.
United States Agency for International Development - Wikipedia
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The act mandated the creation of an agency to administer economic assistance programs, and on November 3, 1961, President Kennedy established the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) as an independent federal entity not under the authority of the State Department.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_International_Development
ETA: Quote:But under the administration of President George W. Bush, USAID has become a tool of U.S. national security, foreign policy, and the War on Terrorism. With control of USAID now in the hands of the State Department, http://www.allgov.com/departments/indepe...d?agencyid=7290 which should make it easier to cut off taxpayer funded aid to the caravan.
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The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) is an independent agency of the United States federal government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance.
United States Agency for International Development - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_International_Development
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What agency is usaid under?
The act mandated the creation of an agency to administer economic assistance programs, and on November 3, 1961, President Kennedy established the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) as an independent federal entity not under the authority of the State Department.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_International_Development
ETA: Quote:But under the administration of President George W. Bush, USAID has become a tool of U.S. national security, foreign policy, and the War on Terrorism. With control of USAID now in the hands of the State Department, http://www.allgov.com/departments/indepe...d?agencyid=7290 which should make it easier to cut off taxpayer funded aid to the caravan.
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Very good article, dogcatcher, thanks for posting. Noticed that the author inadvertently reversed the percentages in original article FWIW.
Percentages be d****d, however, the numbers prove that the invasion needs to be stopped and this is just one more reason to get out the vote.
Quote:The government's data show there were a total of 50,308 people last month that were apprehended or deemed "inadmissible" at the Southwest border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That was up 37 percent from March 2017, when there were 16,588 people stopped, and up 203 percent from February 2018's tally of 36,695 people.
"We saw a 203 percent increase from March 2017 compared to March 2018 and a 37 percent increase from last month to this month — the largest increase from month to month since 2011," Tyler Houlton, the DHS press secretary, said in a statement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing...m-year-ago.html
Regards,
hm
Percentages be d****d, however, the numbers prove that the invasion needs to be stopped and this is just one more reason to get out the vote.
Quote:The government's data show there were a total of 50,308 people last month that were apprehended or deemed "inadmissible" at the Southwest border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. That was up 37 percent from March 2017, when there were 16,588 people stopped, and up 203 percent from February 2018's tally of 36,695 people.
"We saw a 203 percent increase from March 2017 compared to March 2018 and a 37 percent increase from last month to this month — the largest increase from month to month since 2011," Tyler Houlton, the DHS press secretary, said in a statement.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/crossing...m-year-ago.html
Regards,
hm
THE CARAVAN OF CRAP
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Where do they crap?
The Hondurans in the caravan, the 7,000 people walking north to America, where do they go to the bathroom?
And eat and sleep and store their clothes?
And how is it that after a week on the road they are clean and their hair and clothes are well kept?
How is any of this possible?
And why do these people, supposedly fleeing intolerable conditions in their homeland, carry little flags from their homeland and break into its national anthem when the TV cameras show up?
And speaking of which, for oppressed people, they all seem to be pretty well fed, well groomed and well dressed. Their hair is neat and newly cut, their clothes are clean and in good repair, and they are built like people who have had ample nutrition all their lives, being well developed and, many of them, overweight.
And none of them look dirty or unkempt, like they had been sleeping on the ground for the last week.
There’s just nothing in any of this that makes sense.
Supposedly, these several thousand people spontaneously decided to leave Honduras, walking north in a group, hoping to trek the length of gang-plagued Mexico and present themselves as refugees and prospective Democrats at the American border.
Which, again, makes no sense whatsoever.
And leaves a lot of big questions unanswered, and ignored by the press. Such as, who organized this? Who is paying for it? How have they covered 500 miles in a week?
Seriously. Any number of American “reporters” have walked beside a sympathetic walker and talked about how this particular woman and her children had trekked half a thousand miles over the last week or so.
That’s 71 miles a day.
The best soldiers through history have been able to march 25 miles a day.
How have 7,000 people been fed and watered? And how have they gone to the bathroom? If the average person across the world produces about a pound of solid waste a day, that means that these folks are somehow disposing of more than three tons of feces each day.
That’s a heck of a lot of crap, even for a Central American roadway.
Provisioning such an army of people – the equivalent of 10 combat battalions in most of the world’s militaries – is a large task. Transporting and distributing the food and water necessary to keep those people moving is a massive chore which the press says nothing about.
The entire enterprise, as a spontaneous ad hoc event, is implausible.
As an orchestrated international attempt to influence an American election, it starts to make sense.
And ought to alarm us.
Unless it’s only Russians we don’t want screwing with our democracy.
Unfortunately, none of this has made the evening news. It’s almost as if the press, in whatever scheme is afoot, gladly accepts its role as propagandists to the American people.
Every story is sympathetic, as if an attempt to enlist viewers and readers in this caravan and the politics it symbolizes.
And so the story is not about an orchestrated attempt to manipulate electoral opinion and violate the borders and laws of the United States, it is about compassion and Trump and xenophobia and racism. It is the October surprise, it is the Blue Wave.
And it is all nonsense.
Because all of these people, if legitimate, have the ability to apply for American asylum in their own country – as do the residents of most nations of the world. We have consulates and embassies for a reason, and this is one of those reasons.
We also have laws and an oath of office for a reason.
Laws, so that “we the people” through our elected representatives clearly and systematically govern our society. Law is the means by which the people express and exercise their sovereignty. Disobedience to law is disobedience to the will of the people, it is the subverting of their sovereignty and franchise.
Breaking the law is denying you the vote. Your vote elects representatives – lets you pick the country’s direction – and the representatives write the law. If that law is ignored, your representation becomes meaningless.
You get screwed.
And the oath of office?
Members of Congress – even Democrats – swear an oath to “bear true faith and allegiance” to the Constitution, which establishes our system of laws and specifically charges the Congress with making the rules of naturalization and immigration.
Who comes across the border and under what conditions they can stay is a constitutional responsibility of the Congress. That is to be determined by a congressional vote, not by a Honduran mob.
Failure to insist on that – even for Democrats – is a violation of your congressman’s oath of office.
So there is not a Democrat or Republican response to this travelling army of invaders – there is only an American response.
And that is: Turn around and go home.
Because the law of the United States does not allow a mass entry like this. The law does not declare the borders open.
If Democrats and progressives don’t like that, they can try to change the law. If America’s progressives want open borders and believe all the world’s people have a right to live in the United States – as they say they do – then they should adjust immigration law accordingly.
But until then, if they are to keep their oaths of office, they must stand for the law and the border.
And they must tell their surrogates to turn around and go home.
Because this caravan is nothing more than a bunch of political crap.
- by Bob Lonsberry © 2018
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Where do they crap?
The Hondurans in the caravan, the 7,000 people walking north to America, where do they go to the bathroom?
And eat and sleep and store their clothes?
And how is it that after a week on the road they are clean and their hair and clothes are well kept?
How is any of this possible?
And why do these people, supposedly fleeing intolerable conditions in their homeland, carry little flags from their homeland and break into its national anthem when the TV cameras show up?
And speaking of which, for oppressed people, they all seem to be pretty well fed, well groomed and well dressed. Their hair is neat and newly cut, their clothes are clean and in good repair, and they are built like people who have had ample nutrition all their lives, being well developed and, many of them, overweight.
And none of them look dirty or unkempt, like they had been sleeping on the ground for the last week.
There’s just nothing in any of this that makes sense.
Supposedly, these several thousand people spontaneously decided to leave Honduras, walking north in a group, hoping to trek the length of gang-plagued Mexico and present themselves as refugees and prospective Democrats at the American border.
Which, again, makes no sense whatsoever.
And leaves a lot of big questions unanswered, and ignored by the press. Such as, who organized this? Who is paying for it? How have they covered 500 miles in a week?
Seriously. Any number of American “reporters” have walked beside a sympathetic walker and talked about how this particular woman and her children had trekked half a thousand miles over the last week or so.
That’s 71 miles a day.
The best soldiers through history have been able to march 25 miles a day.
How have 7,000 people been fed and watered? And how have they gone to the bathroom? If the average person across the world produces about a pound of solid waste a day, that means that these folks are somehow disposing of more than three tons of feces each day.
That’s a heck of a lot of crap, even for a Central American roadway.
Provisioning such an army of people – the equivalent of 10 combat battalions in most of the world’s militaries – is a large task. Transporting and distributing the food and water necessary to keep those people moving is a massive chore which the press says nothing about.
The entire enterprise, as a spontaneous ad hoc event, is implausible.
As an orchestrated international attempt to influence an American election, it starts to make sense.
And ought to alarm us.
Unless it’s only Russians we don’t want screwing with our democracy.
Unfortunately, none of this has made the evening news. It’s almost as if the press, in whatever scheme is afoot, gladly accepts its role as propagandists to the American people.
Every story is sympathetic, as if an attempt to enlist viewers and readers in this caravan and the politics it symbolizes.
And so the story is not about an orchestrated attempt to manipulate electoral opinion and violate the borders and laws of the United States, it is about compassion and Trump and xenophobia and racism. It is the October surprise, it is the Blue Wave.
And it is all nonsense.
Because all of these people, if legitimate, have the ability to apply for American asylum in their own country – as do the residents of most nations of the world. We have consulates and embassies for a reason, and this is one of those reasons.
We also have laws and an oath of office for a reason.
Laws, so that “we the people” through our elected representatives clearly and systematically govern our society. Law is the means by which the people express and exercise their sovereignty. Disobedience to law is disobedience to the will of the people, it is the subverting of their sovereignty and franchise.
Breaking the law is denying you the vote. Your vote elects representatives – lets you pick the country’s direction – and the representatives write the law. If that law is ignored, your representation becomes meaningless.
You get screwed.
And the oath of office?
Members of Congress – even Democrats – swear an oath to “bear true faith and allegiance” to the Constitution, which establishes our system of laws and specifically charges the Congress with making the rules of naturalization and immigration.
Who comes across the border and under what conditions they can stay is a constitutional responsibility of the Congress. That is to be determined by a congressional vote, not by a Honduran mob.
Failure to insist on that – even for Democrats – is a violation of your congressman’s oath of office.
So there is not a Democrat or Republican response to this travelling army of invaders – there is only an American response.
And that is: Turn around and go home.
Because the law of the United States does not allow a mass entry like this. The law does not declare the borders open.
If Democrats and progressives don’t like that, they can try to change the law. If America’s progressives want open borders and believe all the world’s people have a right to live in the United States – as they say they do – then they should adjust immigration law accordingly.
But until then, if they are to keep their oaths of office, they must stand for the law and the border.
And they must tell their surrogates to turn around and go home.
Because this caravan is nothing more than a bunch of political crap.
- by Bob Lonsberry © 2018
NdIndy
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When i was younger and in better shape my longest hike was 16 miles in 1 day. That was well fed, rested, with only my clothes and a gps for weight. And it kicked my [beeep].
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
Fursniper
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Originally Posted By: NdIndyWhen i was younger and in better shape my longest hike was 16 miles in 1 day. That was well fed, rested, with only my clothes and a gps for weight. And it kicked my [beeep].
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
By eating Mexican food with porta-potties spaced far apart.
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
By eating Mexican food with porta-potties spaced far apart.
Originally Posted By: FursniperOriginally Posted By: NdIndyWhen i was younger and in better shape my longest hike was 16 miles in 1 day. That was well fed, rested, with only my clothes and a gps for weight. And it kicked my [beeep].
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
By eating Mexican food with porta-potties spaced far apart.
That would do it for me.
So tell me again how small children who have never eaten a day in their life, are covering 50 miles a day.
By eating Mexican food with porta-potties spaced far apart.
That would do it for me.
Foxpro.223
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dogcatcher
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According to the map on this link they have moved about 300 miles, in 14 days. They have also been getting rides on trucks. Long time before they get to the border. Some have turned back and went home, others asked and were granted asylum in Mexico.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/2/18056076/caravan-border-where-mexico-border-patrol
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/2/18056076/caravan-border-where-mexico-border-patrol
Not a wall, but it's a good start & beats the welcome sign it replaces! Of course, CBS presents a slightly different view.
Quote:Tense atmosphere at the border as active-duty troops install coils of razor wire
ETA: VIDEO UPDATE ON CARAVAN
Regards,
hm
Quote:Tense atmosphere at the border as active-duty troops install coils of razor wire
ETA: VIDEO UPDATE ON CARAVAN
Regards,
hm
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