Originally Posted By: 2muchgunI can pretty much afford any rifle(s) I want, within reason. And have. When I tell you guys stuff, it is from REAL world experience. I ain't guessin'. I'm not "brand loyal" like some, or like some may think.
I have had problems with Remington's, but most minor. A couple of bad triggers I had to replace, a bad extractor once. No problems with accuracy, EVER.
I've no problem calling junk, junk. Regardless of who's name is on it. X-mark pro triggers suck. Have said it since day one. Other Remington products suck also, like their semi-auto 7400s and the like.
Some people will defend their purchases to the bitter end, with blinders on. Not me. My feelings on the 700 as the best overall choice in a bolt gun today have come from years of unbiased experience. Years of shooting literally hundreds of rifles. After a while, you come to know what constitutes a quality product.
I have guns that sit in the safe and do nothing more but appreciate in value. Most are pre-64 Winchesters, but I'm no stranger to the old Remingtons designs, Savage 99s, etc. You can look at these guns and they exude quality. Someone who doesn't even know guns well can look at them and know they are of worthy of respect.
The trend today is of more mass producing, and less hand fitting of parts. Berretta and it's sister companies are pretty much leading the charge. Designs such as the 700 and Win 70 (Mauser 98) have not changed in years, for the most part. They are of very solid design. Worthy of being passed down as family heirlooms.
Actions such as the Tikka were designed with one thing, and one thing only in mind, cutting costs. If this is not readily apparent to some, I really don't know what to say. They simply don't know what a quality rifle consists of. The evidence is right there. Costs cut at nearly every corner. Older people know this, and can see it readily. The newbies simply haven't learned yet, or haven't had the chance to compare to something of actual quality. Show some old timer your plastic Tikka and see what he thinks. Or your plastic covered shotgun.
700s are offered in a LOT of different forms. Seems the cheapest one, the SPS, is the only one that gets compared to the Tikka. How much more does a standard SPS cost than a T3? Anything? Less?
Ever seen or heard of ANY military or police using a Tikka or A-bort? Ever see any custom Tikkas or A-borts? Know of any smiths who use Tikkas or A-borts as a basis for customs? I don't. This should tell you something, if it doesn't, again, I don't know what to say.
I'm sorry boys, but some of the crap that actually passes as a "quality" hunting rifle around here is laughable at best, even Chuck knows it........
http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm
Well, you and Chuck are entitled to your opinions.
The last rifle I purchased was a Browning X-Bolt. This rifle replaced a Remington 700 CDL....a beautiful rifle(after Remington replaced the defective stock)....but it would not shoot to my satisfaction(it would outshoot an old Remington 742 though). The Browning has outshot the Remington from day one, did not have a defect in the stock, has better fit and finish, a better trigger, and feels better to me.
IMO my CDL was all show and no go....kinda like the guys that put the "5.0" or "GT" emblems on their V6 Mustangs.
I have had problems with Remington's, but most minor. A couple of bad triggers I had to replace, a bad extractor once. No problems with accuracy, EVER.
I've no problem calling junk, junk. Regardless of who's name is on it. X-mark pro triggers suck. Have said it since day one. Other Remington products suck also, like their semi-auto 7400s and the like.
Some people will defend their purchases to the bitter end, with blinders on. Not me. My feelings on the 700 as the best overall choice in a bolt gun today have come from years of unbiased experience. Years of shooting literally hundreds of rifles. After a while, you come to know what constitutes a quality product.
I have guns that sit in the safe and do nothing more but appreciate in value. Most are pre-64 Winchesters, but I'm no stranger to the old Remingtons designs, Savage 99s, etc. You can look at these guns and they exude quality. Someone who doesn't even know guns well can look at them and know they are of worthy of respect.
The trend today is of more mass producing, and less hand fitting of parts. Berretta and it's sister companies are pretty much leading the charge. Designs such as the 700 and Win 70 (Mauser 98) have not changed in years, for the most part. They are of very solid design. Worthy of being passed down as family heirlooms.
Actions such as the Tikka were designed with one thing, and one thing only in mind, cutting costs. If this is not readily apparent to some, I really don't know what to say. They simply don't know what a quality rifle consists of. The evidence is right there. Costs cut at nearly every corner. Older people know this, and can see it readily. The newbies simply haven't learned yet, or haven't had the chance to compare to something of actual quality. Show some old timer your plastic Tikka and see what he thinks. Or your plastic covered shotgun.
700s are offered in a LOT of different forms. Seems the cheapest one, the SPS, is the only one that gets compared to the Tikka. How much more does a standard SPS cost than a T3? Anything? Less?
Ever seen or heard of ANY military or police using a Tikka or A-bort? Ever see any custom Tikkas or A-borts? Know of any smiths who use Tikkas or A-borts as a basis for customs? I don't. This should tell you something, if it doesn't, again, I don't know what to say.
I'm sorry boys, but some of the crap that actually passes as a "quality" hunting rifle around here is laughable at best, even Chuck knows it........
http://www.chuckhawks.com/critical_look_T3.htm
Well, you and Chuck are entitled to your opinions.
The last rifle I purchased was a Browning X-Bolt. This rifle replaced a Remington 700 CDL....a beautiful rifle(after Remington replaced the defective stock)....but it would not shoot to my satisfaction(it would outshoot an old Remington 742 though). The Browning has outshot the Remington from day one, did not have a defect in the stock, has better fit and finish, a better trigger, and feels better to me.
IMO my CDL was all show and no go....kinda like the guys that put the "5.0" or "GT" emblems on their V6 Mustangs.
