Scope rings - to lap or not to lap?

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.

 

[DAA]

I'm going to guess, with the little thumbs up dude, it means Good For You. My world, it means something else entirely, Go Eff Yourself. Well, actually, thinking about it, with the right tone of voice, they mean exactly the same thing, really

.

- DAA

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

LOL out loud!

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: DAAI'm going to guess, with the little thumbs up dude, it means Good For You. My world, it means something else entirely, Go Eff Yourself. Well, actually, thinking about it, with the right tone of voice, they mean exactly the same thing, really

.

- DAA

Yep, not much difference according to the Google!

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

You seem to be obsessed with another man’s junk.
Why is that?

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

You seem to be obsessed with another man’s junk.
Why is that?
yeah, i have no idea, you're the one that brought up the word junk to begin with. Come to think of it, that's about when i realized that you were making this personal, you know, to call my equipment junk. So i just followed your lead. So let me ask you the same, nothing left but personal insults eh?

 

[Buster Hindend]

I’d like to learn more about the blueprinted Jewell. Who offers this service ?


Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: Buster Hindend
I’d like to learn more about the blueprinted Jewell. Who offers this service ?


Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy. http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/blueprinting-a-jewell-trigger.3867487/

Personally ive done a couple of my own, had a machinist friend of mine do a couple for me. Not realy sure if there is anyone actually advertising for the service. Most who do them do them for themselves and a few friends. Just my opinion, but blueprinting Jewells is a pain in the a$$. Takes alot alot of time and patience and for me it still doesnt match what my Bix&Andy can do.

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

You seem to be obsessed with another man’s junk.
Why is that?
yeah, i have no idea, you're the one that brought up the word junk to begin with. Come to think of it, that's about when i realized that you were making this personal, you know, to call my equipment junk. So i just followed your lead. So let me ask you the same, nothing left but personal insults eh?

Nothing left after comments from a guy about my sexual function.
I don’t go for that. Go find you a guy who does.

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

You seem to be obsessed with another man’s junk.
Why is that?
yeah, i have no idea, you're the one that brought up the word junk to begin with. Come to think of it, that's about when i realized that you were making this personal, you know, to call my equipment junk. So i just followed your lead. So let me ask you the same, nothing left but personal insults eh?

Nothing left after comments from a guy about my sexual function.
I don’t go for that. Go find you a guy who does.

So, you start the insults, then when you get pwned and it doesnt go in your favor, its time to shut it down. Sounds like a typical Hillary voter if you ask me.

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: DAAI have mostly used rings with self aligning inserts for a long time now. But I have never mounted a scope in plain rings without lapping them first. That's after using the alignment rods from Brownells to mount them.

- DAA

Funny how nobody ever mentions the alignment rods. I always used them first on Leupold rings and then did the small amount of lapping that was needed.
Sometimes you can get them so close they need almost nothing.

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy.

Well have fun with that.
I stopped patching up junk years ago.
I have more time for shooting now.

GFY

I’m an older person and I don’t understand all the internet lingo.
What does “GFY” mean? Google is your friend my elder

I will Google it, thanks.
Now why would you patch up out-of-spec junk and then “blueprint” a Jewell trigger?
blueprinting a Jewel is not necessary, it just adds a touch of shine to a great trigger to begin with. As far as patching up junk, Well i like the challenge.

Ever been to see a Doctor?

Sounds nice!
I bet it allows your patched-up junk to shoot to its full potential.

And yes, old people go to the doctor a lot.
when you walk into the door at the dr office, do you ever wonder if the doctors are thinking the same when you ask them to patch you up? Viagra allows your junk to shoot to its full potential

GFY!!!

Nothing left but personal insults?
Good For You!

its only personal to you if its the truth. sorry you need the help getting your junk to shoot. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings about that topic. I'm sure this topic is very sensitive for you and rightly so. Your medical short comings are not something to laugh about. Please forgive me.

You seem to be obsessed with another man’s junk.
Why is that?
yeah, i have no idea, you're the one that brought up the word junk to begin with. Come to think of it, that's about when i realized that you were making this personal, you know, to call my equipment junk. So i just followed your lead. So let me ask you the same, nothing left but personal insults eh?

Nothing left after comments from a guy about my sexual function.
I don’t go for that. Go find you a guy who does.

So, you start the insults, then when you get pwned and it doesnt go in your favor, its time to shut it down. Sounds like a typical Hillary voter if you ask me.

High school stuff....
Run along, you’re late for class.

 

[Catdog1]

Watch it...right about now he is contacting the mods to lock the thread and ban you. All because he can start a pissing match, yet cant finish.

Like ive said before:
High post count: check
Old dude on keyboard: check
Gets owned: check
Know-it-all: check
Cries to mods: check
Tries to get u banned: check

 

[Buster Hindend]

What about Huber triggers, do they need to be blueprinted too?

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Buster Hindend
I’d like to learn more about the blueprinted Jewell. Who offers this service ?


Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy. http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/blueprinting-a-jewell-trigger.3867487/

Personally ive done a couple of my own, had a machinist friend of mine do a couple for me. Not realy sure if there is anyone actually advertising for the service. Most who do them do them for themselves and a few friends. Just my opinion, but blueprinting Jewells is a pain in the a$$. Takes alot alot of time and patience and for me it still doesnt match what my Bix&Andy can do.

 

[fw707]

Originally Posted By: Catdog1Watch it...right about now he is contacting the mods to lock the thread and ban you. All because he can start a pissing match, yet cant finish.

Like ive said before:
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You late for class too?

 

[Kevinfarmer3456]

Originally Posted By: Buster HindendWhat about Huber triggers, do they need to be blueprinted too?

Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: Buster Hindend
I’d like to learn more about the blueprinted Jewell. Who offers this service ?


Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456Originally Posted By: fw707Quote:Originally Posted By: Kevinfarmer3456The rings and bases normally dont cause the misalignment. Ive had one Rem 700 LVSF and one Saveage model 10 that had probelms. The 700 had front base holes that were misaligned and I wasn't able to keep the turrets on the scope centered very well so I lapped the Rings and then bedded them with bedding compound and was able to get the scope turrets more centered. The Savage had a problem with the distance of base height so I had to shim the scope base and also lap the Rings to help correct a small amount of horizontal distance that was off centered.

The easiest way to combat this problem is to just go with Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts. Though im not a big fan of them as far as looks go, they do an amazing job of allowing one to correct any misalignment.

Why the heck did you patch up junk like that instead of getting the problem fixed? Well, on the Rem there really wasnt much I could do without alot of work. My 2 options were to have the holes welded closed then try to have them drilled again...hopefully straight. Or lap and bed the rings like i chose to do. The savage wasnt off too bad on horizontal, mainly just the vertical. But truthfully, its not uncommom to find a receiver that is off a several thousandths and need shimmed to help keep the turrets in center. On the Rem 700 i just couldnt justify spending that much money to correct this mistake. The gun was already out of production when i was dealing with this so i chose not to handle it with remington out of fear that they may not send that gun back. I was affraid to get some replacement that wouldnt be equal to the LVSF.

Looking back i should have at least contacted them to see what they would say, but normally my dealings with remington have always been answered by them saying "Send it in and we will take a look at it" rather than them committing to a solution over the phone. I just didnt want to chance it.


How did you determine the misalignment, and the amount of misalignment? kind of a trial and error. Along with discussing the problem with a fellow benchrest shooter. The problem first came to light when i mounted a scope for load development. It was a Weaver 36x and i was not able to get within 14" of center (needing more left adjustment). On the Savage it was a similar situation in the fact that i ran out of vertical and couldnt get the gun to sight in at 100 yards. It ended up needing .023" shim under the front base to correct it and get it back close to center. Of course, thru this whole time, i was trying different brand bases to see if it would help to no avail.

In the end, i had that benchrest shooter/gunsmith friend of mine put the actions in his mill and we ran some points of refernce to verify that indeed the holes were off on the Rem. And similar test for the Savage


Gotcha.
So why the heck did you keep junk like that, and go to all of the time and effort to fix it?
And still end up with junk? to each his own, but i love the Rem LVSF series of rifles and the Savage...well its like most savages i have....they just shoot.

Heck if i cast away every rifle ive ever owned that needed a little tlc, id be gunless. All of mine get a touch here and there to suit me. I even have my Jewel triggers blue printed. Only thing i havent had to work on yet is my Bix & Andy. http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/blueprinting-a-jewell-trigger.3867487/

Personally ive done a couple of my own, had a machinist friend of mine do a couple for me. Not realy sure if there is anyone actually advertising for the service. Most who do them do them for themselves and a few friends. Just my opinion, but blueprinting Jewells is a pain in the a$$. Takes alot alot of time and patience and for me it still doesnt match what my Bix&Andy can do. im not familiar with those. Arent they a 2 stage trigger? Honestly, if they "Need" blueprinted or not is just a matter of opinion. Im not saying any of them "need" blueprinted. Its just, if youre trying to milk all of the best out of a piece of equipment then sometimes you have to take it just that small extra step. Im personally not that much of an accomplished BR shooter, so i try to make up for my lack of skill in the area of equipment, while im trying to gain experience in the areas i lack the most in, ie. Wind reading. Which i am horrible at.