Nevada Coyote Contests - Bill Carries Penalties Equal To Manslaughter

Originally Posted By: azpredatorhunter You guys have to understand that the kids today are fragile.

how did they get this way? nevermind, think i know the answer.

am so glad my kids are grown and i am not raising them in this society. but i do see it in my grandkids. and i don't like it one bit.
 
Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnotOriginally Posted By: azpredatorhunter You guys have to understand that the kids today are fragile.

how did they get this way? nevermind, think i know the answer.

am so glad my kids are grown and i am not raising them in this society. but i do see it in my grandkids. and i don't like it one bit.

+1 and I don't think it will get any better in the foreseeable future.

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Regards,
hm
 
Ok, so you can't lobby politics at least not as your main goal. Understood.

So how about education? Helping to educate the general public to the benefits and needs to keep populations in check to help ranchers, livestock, pets, wildlife, conflicts with humans and pets in less rural areas, and to prevent over population, starvation and disease and how hunting can play a roll in this (all kinds of hunting).
Other than the "convention/ fundraiser/ get together", what has PM put forth toward educating the general public about these and other types of conservation that sheds a positive light on hunting in general? If we are going to win any of these types of battles, we can no longer rely on talking to those who are like minded. We must be reaching out In a conscientious effort to not just sway the minds of those on the fence but to invoke serious thought of those against.
 
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Hunting is a contest..... It doesn't matter if you do it solo or in an organized event. I enjoy the PM Convention.....
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"Solo" = a guy heading out at sunset after a day of work or an early weekend morning in order to participate in an inherent ageless desire to be part of nature and hunt an animal. "Success" can only be defined by the individual whether that involves a kill, the reflecting of how it all took place, the "thank you" of a pleased land-owner, a lesson or two learned, or simply the opportunity to be "out" and hunt.

"Organized event" (interesting that the word "contest" isn't used ) = multiple guys paying an entry fee, all heading out at a set time, with a set time to return, with a goal to kill more animals than all the other guys. Being successful focuses on efficiency....the ability to set up quickly, kill quickly, pack up and move quickly. The best "hunter" is the one that makes it back on time, has the most dead animals and is awarded a (monetary) prize.

Historically the majority of non-hunters (not anti-hunters) are OK with other people hunting and that has helped to keep hunting "legitimate". I would bet their mental image of hunting is more of the "solo" type than the "contest" type thus I would argue that it DOES matter how it's done.
 
Wow. Again, I can't believe the BS I am reading here on a forum where we all hunt coyotes. I guess the definition of freedom is not the same for everyone. Why do people nowadays feel the need to regulate everyone's activities even though it really doesn't affect them? Just because it ain't for you, why do you agree with a law that bans something that has been legal forever with a penalty equal to manslaughter?
I am sorry for those of you who have bad experiences with guys cheating, trespassing, doing drugs, and any other illegal activities during contests. But not having contests is not going to change a person who does these things anyway. They are bad people and should be caught and hopefully will be.
The few contests I have hunted in were just a bunch of good ole boys trying to put the most coyotes in the truck. At the end of it, most of the guys talk and swap stories at check in. What's so bad about that
As far as the numbers being killed, the government pays guys to fly over and shoot coyotes and trap them. Hunters will do it free and some contest hunters are pretty efficient at it.
Someone mentioned calling a spade a spade. Ok, SOME contest hunters are bad people. MOST are not. But now on the flip side : half of you who think a ban is OK only want it to benefit yourselves. You think there will be more coyotes for you to kill and they will be easier to kill. You also don't like seeing how many more coyotes someone else killed in a weekend vs how you did. Come on, deep down we all think this at one time or another. I just don't think a ban is fair to EVERYONE.
And as far as social media goes and posting pics of dead coyotes, this is not a bad thing. Maybe not all pictures need to be shown, but the average person does need to see what we do or someday they will be shocked at what we do and how it looks. We are are hunting. Coyotes die. There is blood. Trust me. I am a farmer and for years the livestock industry, in my opinion, shielded people from how animals were raised and killed and made into what you buy in the grocery store. Now anyone can represent us in a negative way to people who don't know any better and we look like we were trying to hide something. Don't sugar coat sh*t.
 
Quote:Why do people nowadays feel the need to regulate everyone's activities even though it really doesn't affect them? Just because it ain't for you, why do you agree with a law that bans something that has been legal forever with a penalty equal to manslaughter?

Plain & simple, creeping liberal>democrat>socialist>communist agenda aided and abetted by the liberal > dem...(oh,never mind, you get it) MSM aka "Fake News".

Quote:I just don't think a ban is fair to EVERYONE.

Reminiscent of elementary school days; someone commits an offense and teacher keeps the entire class after school. It wasn't fair then and isn't fair now, unfortunately it just IS, and I don't see it getting better any time soon.
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It's all about CONTROL!

Regards,
hm

 
Yes sir I realize that.I know by reading there was a lot of animosity between admins. Thats why I said I don’t get involved in post like this Evan if I don’t agree. Believe it or not I read a lot of the post and this is still one of my favorite sites.
 
It boils down to is it right or is it wrong. Its a privilege to hunt coyotes and display our kills according to the law. However, I think its wrong to blast the [beeep] out of coyotes, throw them in a pile like trash and dispose of them the same. To go out and kill animals just to kill them is wrong in my opinion anyway.

I work 3 jobs and pay a lot of taxes. I follow the law regardless if I agree or disagree.
As a property owner, that has my property posted and have coyotes on my property. Is it right that hounds man dogs come on my property and chase coyotes off for them to shoot ? NO. So why cant I have a contest and kill them dogs, throw them in a pile. Take pictures and show them on the web. Because its wrong.

People what's right is right what's wrong is wrong. Its not right for others to impose such a law. But why our they doing it? Because we allow so called hunters to use their privilege and the law in such away that hurts us all.

A license is a privilege not a right. So you can buy a hunting license, buy yourself submachinegun with a suppressor and night scope. Get yourself gillies. Go out shoot 15 rounds at a coyote because you don't know how to shoot. Open fire on one that's running shoot him in the hinds and all over his body. Take pictures and videos. But don't call yourself a hunter and don't display the animal like trash. Don't cry and whine like babies when some takes our privileges away.

I'm tired of loosing my privileges because of others being stupid. I'm tired of supporting freeloaders and every other person out there thinking they deserve stuff that they did not work for. If you want to blame someone, blame the people that our creating the problem. Blame those who our desecrating our sport.

Just remember hunting is a privilege not your right and it can be taken away. So keep acting like children and see what happens. Idiots.
 
Originally Posted By: Fur TakerIt boils down to is it right or is it wrong. Its a privilege to hunt coyotes and display our kills according to the law. However, I think its wrong to blast the [beeep] out of coyotes, throw them in a pile like trash and dispose of them the same. To go out and kill animals just to kill them is wrong in my opinion anyway.

I work 3 jobs and pay a lot of taxes. I follow the law regardless if I agree or disagree.
As a property owner, that has my property posted and have coyotes on my property. Is it right that hounds man dogs come on my property and chase coyotes off for them to shoot ? NO. So why cant I have a contest and kill them dogs, throw them in a pile. Take pictures and show them on the web. Because its wrong.

People what's right is right what's wrong is wrong. Its not right for others to impose such a law. But why our they doing it? Because we allow so called hunters to use their privilege and the law in such away that hurts us all.

A license is a privilege not a right. So you can buy a hunting license, buy yourself submachinegun with a suppressor and night scope. Get yourself gillies. Go out shoot 15 rounds at a coyote because you don't know how to shoot. Open fire on one that's running shoot him in the hinds and all over his body. Take pictures and videos. But don't call yourself a hunter and don't display the animal like trash. Don't cry and whine like babies when some takes our privileges away.

I'm tired of loosing my privileges because of others being stupid. I'm tired of supporting freeloaders and every other person out there thinking they deserve stuff that they did not work for. If you want to blame someone, blame the people that our creating the problem. Blame those who our desecrating our sport.

Just remember hunting is a privilege not your right and it can be taken away. So keep acting like children and see what happens. Idiots.



Whoa to self righteous coyote hunter. You should probably never hunt the desert southwest then. Because what are you going to do with a coyote that has no value? And what are you going to do if you are in a good area and happen to call in 20 or 30 coyotes in a few days ? I guess only shoot what you feel is RIGHT and let the rest walk?

I do pity you though, for you live in a state that legalized abortion until birth.
But let's not show any pictures or video of that procedure. We wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea.
 
Ill give you that, the Govn. should be on top of the pile. Unless diseased, all animals have a value. To shoot them just to shoot them, stack them and trash them, take pics and post that. That's what started this. Even if your so over ran with them you could kill them by swing a bat and your doing population control work. You don't display them like trash and you don't tell anyone your just dumping them.

When harvesting seals for their skins it was easier to whack them up side the head. Look where that got the harvesters.

For the record I support population control 100% on all SPECIES.
 
NY ain't Nevada.
In Nevada, coyotes are listed right along with black tail Jack's, skunks, ringtail cat and are considered vermin. No licenses needed to hunt them, and no bag limit and in some counties can be hunted day and night as well.
It is also common practice in Nevada to go do Jack shoots day and night. The whole purpose is to shoot as many as you can and no, they don't get skinned or eaten. I would venture to guess DAA has single handedly killed enough jacks, p-dogs, and chucks to fill a few truck loads over the years. Heck, he even made movies about it.

This is how those of us in the west grew up here. If you don't like it, don't participate. But as long as it is not posing a threat to the population of a species, there is no reason to change it. Quit trying to make others live as you do.
I like my freedom to choose and will fight for others freedoms as well. Even if I don't agree
 
Originally Posted By: Fur TakerIt boils down to is it right or is it wrong.

Just remember hunting is a privilege not your right and it can be taken away. So keep acting like children and see what happens. Idiots.



Well that is your opinion. Who decides what is right or wrong?
 
I guess if the state considers Coyotes to be vermin and You don't need a license, No bag limit. In some counties you can hunt day and night. On top of that they have no value.
I don't think everyone reading this post knows that Nevada has such a population control problem, at least I didn't.

Then there's probably only a handful people that are against such contest and you have nothing to worry about them having such a ridiculous bill.

But if you really think their going to pass such a bill. I would get petitions and contact your Governor, then go to the Federal level and ask for them to step in. Nobody should have to live with such vermin.
 
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Ok gentleman here's my two cents worth... I grew up in northern Illinois the son of a mink trapper, and a trapper myself. I started predator hunting in 2012 after I injured my back. I had a hard time grasping the thought of shooting a coyote when the fur wasn't prime. After realizing that if I was to only hunt coyote when they were prime, I wouldn't be hunting much here in Arizona so I got over it. So to the point... my daughter who has a trapping license and went hunting with me has decided that she's not interested in hunting or trapping anymore. So what went wrong? The Internet, and social media has brainwashed her. You guys have to understand that the kids today are fragile. She doesn't mind if I shoot a few coyote or trap a few bobcats but she just doesn't like the idea of hunters shooting them for competition. Some people cannot handle the sight of a dead animal, blood or guts and then you throw in a picture of a pile of coyote's... it just enrages them even more. They look at it as a contest to kill as many animals as possible ( all animals in their mind). So who do we point the finger at? Johnny Stewart, Burnham bros? Probably not. I do blame ourselves, the internet, television and people like KC Coyote killer for making a mockery of predator hunting by posting graphic bloody photo's, calling coyote dogs, using inappropriate language ie: kill, kill, kill and not being an ethical hunter by not giving your prey respect... As far as tv goes...I am sorry but I also blame Big Al and the rest of you tv personalities for your exploitation of predator hunting for profit. Where's Big Al now? What has Big Al and FoxPro done to help? Nothing! Fist bump. Maybe FoxPro could show some support by organizing predator hunters at these game and fish meetings by giving a couple of e-callers away! No skin off their asses.

Exploitation----really-----I guess when you make a living killing em someone thinks its all roses and sunshine......I know that we represent coyote hunting ,coyote contests in the best light. We promote legal hunting activity as good and positive at an international level and have a worldwide following. The better question is what have YOU done....WE know what we do, FOXPRO has been at the forefront of many of the battles in alot of the states, and as far as skin in the game I dare say that not one other e-call company has donated what FOXPRO has "in the name of conservation". if 250,000.00 dollars is no sweat...if they sent to every single ask it would total twice that...Per year...but AZPH asks where are we....did he send letters to every state legistlator and governor in all these states that had this BS legistlation started in...I know we did....and I know there are some out there that say we didnt send this or that to "thier" group...but trust me when I say we are doing what we can to promote legal hunting practices in all States...just not coyote hunting but the use of AR's in states they werent legal in. This fight isnt just about coyote calling contests, its about your right to hunt, own legal firearms, and use them during legal hunting periods.....For all of you that would be allright with seeing contests go away, how sad, you say it isnt your cup of tea or it ruins your areas.....If you havent put yourself into the arena in a contest, you cant possibly understand how it can change your outlook on coyote hunting or how it can change your life. If I had never won a single United States Predator Challenge, or a single World Championship I would still enter as I like to compete at the top levels In the things I am passionate about...for some it is as simple as trying to outsmart a coyote and call it in...for alot of people it is about being the best caller out of a few other guys on a certain day or a couple....Whatever floats your boat but make no mistake, they want us fractured, they want us fighting among ourselves,........dont ask what others are doing...look in the [beeep] mirror and do what you can to promote what we do legally and ethically and we owe no explanation. When you post a picture of a coyote that got a 22-250 between the ears and you show the damage what do you think the antis will do with that picture. When they attack our rights as free men we need to fight back. I am.........are you.....dont blame the contests,,,blame the antis and fight against THEM........
 
I agree with Al.

This has little to do with contests and everything to do with the slow, methodical erosion of our sport. They have done the exact same thing with guns. There are forms of our sport that I choose not to participate in, but if they are legal, then I support them.

Here is the latest email that I sent to our Governor here in AZ as they consider banning contests.

Governor Ducey,

My name is Jason Mosler and I am a citizen of Arizona, a Hunter's Ed instructor, a hunter and a small business owner.

I am writing to you today to express my concerns about the Arizona Game and Fish Commissions consideration of banning hunting contests in Arizona. In the past, I have supported the Commission and many of it's decisions. This one, I cannot get behind. In the past their decisions were science based and were made to enhance the hunting experience in Arizona. I have lived in other states where the game and fish departments were not hunter friendly so I was relieved to find that the AZGFD seemed to be very pro hunter. But this consideration to ban predator hunting contests is NOT based in ANY way on science. The Commission has come out in recent comments to the media and signaled that they are considering this ban because of the "image" that these contests have created. The Commission claims that they are concerned that anti-hunters would attack hunting in general if the Commission does not concede on this point. This is a COWARDLY position to take. There is NOTHING that will guarantee that hunting will be left alone by these liberal anti-hunters if hunting contests are banned. In fact, if history is a lesson, these anti-hunting groups will just continue their anti-hunting campaigns emboldened by victories like this.

Governor, I know that these Commissioners are appointed by you. I would hope that you would remind these Commissioners that they are here to enhance hunting in Arizona and NOT to cater to the anti-hunting liberal left. Please do not allow Arizona to join the likes of Commiefornia and other liberal states where hunters have to beg and plead for the opportunity to enjoy their sports. Hunting represents a sizeable portion of funding for things like the AZGFD and to ban this kind of hunting based SOLELY off of emotion and NO science is going to cut funds and send a message that the AZGFD and the Governor of Arizona do not support hunters and sportsmen and women.

Please do not let this happen.

Sincerely,

Jason Mosler

I will continue to try and do my part to support hunters of all kinds.
 
Ok I guess exploitation was a bit much but it's just my way to get your attention. Here's my issue with tv shows. I am a hunter and I understand the excitement and rush of calling in a predator and shooting it. But do you really think antis and the folks who are on the fence understand the high five or fist bump? [beeep] no. If you want to represent coyote hunting in the best light maybe focus more on teaching how to hunt them rather than just shooting them. But that probably wouldn't sell right? So maybe just a little bit of know how. What have I done? Well where in the [beeep] do you think your paycheck comes from? I have always recommended FoxPro callers and I own one myself. So out of the $250000 "in the name of conservation" $499+ all the other calls and decoys I have bought over the years went into that correct? I've been a member of the local predator hunting club since 2012 who "used to work" hand and hand with Arizona Game and Fish. I purchase a hunting and trapping license every year whether I go or not. I don't write letters to anyone, but I will sign an online petition. I'm also not able to go to the G&F meetings in Yuma or Phoenix etc. due to financial constraints. I'm poor sorry. You know I'm not sorry! I maybe poor but I am happy. I have $0.69 in my savings account and a beautiful wife... I need nothing more! So I do what I can Al. I don't have an issue with hunting competitions, I don't hunt them because I have serious back issues and can only do about three stands. "Pictures" let's see... I'm pretty sure I haven't posted one single picture of a coyote that shows anything distasteful or disrespectful towards the animal from day one! I'm 100% sure of it, and most were shot with a 22-250. I am and always have been an advocate of not giving the antis ammunition. Feel free to check; azpredatorhunter on here, on predatortalk, and if possible old screen shots of predatorhuntingforums. On trapperman I'm oldtrapper. So there you go. You know Al maybe if you opened my pm I sent to you months ago I wouldn't be so salty, at least you could have replied and said your Gila woodpecker decoy idea sucks! That would have been greatly appreciated. Thanx Al

Yours truly,

Azpredatorhunter
 
It doesnt always require money to "Do" something in the fight. Phone calls and letters are next to free. Especially now with email.
 
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Originally Posted By: azpredatorhunterI'll save you some time... my first coyote taken with a flip phone, and posted on predatortalk 2012. It's not the best picture but not the worst.

Nice coyote
 
Originally Posted By: crapshootNY ain't Nevada.
In Nevada, coyotes are listed right along with black tail Jack's, skunks, ringtail cat and are considered vermin. No licenses needed to hunt them, and no bag limit and in some counties can be hunted day and night as well.
It is also common practice in Nevada to go do Jack shoots day and night. The whole purpose is to shoot as many as you can and no, they don't get skinned or eaten. I would venture to guess DAA has single handedly killed enough jacks, p-dogs, and chucks to fill a few truck loads over the years. Heck, he even made movies about it.

This is how those of us in the west grew up here. If you don't like it, don't participate. But as long as it is not posing a threat to the population of a species, there is no reason to change it. Quit trying to make others live as you do.
I like my freedom to choose and will fight for others freedoms as well. Even if I don't agree

Your right Crap, Nevada isn't New York, more like California every day. It isn't about right/wrong, competition, freedom, science, legality, licensing, seasons, or contests; it is about the optics of contests. It is such an easy target. A target that gets bigger by waving the flag of freedom and flipping the proverbial bird in their face.

*NEWS FLASH* Unless you have Warren Buffett money; you don't have a relevant weapon to fight any legislative battle.

The fact is this: If we keep posting distasteful pictures as an accurate representation of all coyote contests they will make it illegal. Now we can individually choose to do our part and quit creating a negative perception of contests or we can puff out our chest and say; "I ain't changing sh*t cause I'm an American" and simply suffer the consequences of our own vanity.

I won't "sugarcoat" this; It is up to the elder statesmen of competitions, Predator Masters, and other sites of like-minded individuals to educate the younger generation of hunters on what is or is not acceptable. The real problem as I see it is we don't have enough intelligent elder statesmen with leadership ability and a long term vision to pass grace onto the next generation.
 
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