check this out...I frickin new it

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i'm surprized he is from texas. here in wyoming we would tie him to a post.




... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif...I just dont understand how a post like this acceptable



Jwp. He's just refering to the old cowboy and indian movies. Buzzards comming along and all that.


I have to disagree with you there. Mr. Middleton has used that reference before in a response to me. In that post he left little doubt to his meaning and that post was way in violation of the TOS.
 
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I know exactly what he is referring to...and it doesnt really have a place here.


Would i burn a flag? [beeep] no. If you do burn the flag, you better be prepared to face the consequences of doing so....

Does that answer your question?



Yes it does.

Then all I and alot of other American's ask for is an individual who honors the flag of this country which they claim to want to represent.

Proud of the country or not this is the only country that is willing to destroy it's own financial security to put a dollar and a bowl of soup in front of every human on the planet.
 
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No Mr. Mock, i am not saying my beliefs are correct. But for someone to think that just because a person doesnt put their hand over their heart during the national anthem, they dont deserve to be a U.S. citizen is a bit ridiculous.

If you want to put your hand over your heart, DO IT!! I see NOTHING worng with it!!(show me where i said it was wrong to do so) But to condemn a man and his percieved values for not doing so is just plain ignorant.


I am referring to the ones that want people charged with treason for not "placing their hand over their heart".

And what they need is to get their nosey/judgemental butts whipped for making outrageous assumptions.



jwp, this is probably something you wouldnt understand, but some people are PROUD to be AMERICAN and do actually care about this country enough to place their hand over their heart. some even give their lives so we can have the freedom to do that.
i really think you dont understand what AMERICA is all about. please leave /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
 
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i'm surprized he is from texas. here in wyoming we would tie him to a post.




... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif...I just dont understand how a post like this acceptable



Jwp. He's just refering to the old cowboy and indian movies. Buzzards comming along and all that.


I have to disagree with you there. Mr. Middleton has used that reference before in a response to me. In that post he left little doubt to his meaning and that post was way in violation of the TOS.



Rimmy. I don't care what source or scientific explanation you and your side kick pelosi came up with. You are so far left you fell off the flat earth.

Maybe if you wouldn't leave off the part about burning the US flag but that wouldn't be comfortable. Comfortable belief, HUH.
 
Thanks for backin me up guys. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Heres the thing jwp.Putting your hand over your heart when you say the Pledge of Allegance is like bowing your head when someone ask you to do so during a moment of silence.Which is a short period of time where you say a prayer for whoever needs it just in case you didnt know that.Its all about respect and when someone doesnt bow their head during a moment of silence they are disrespecting the people they need to be praying for.Its the same way when someone doesnt place their hand over their heart during the Pledge of Allegance.Thats just downright disrespect for everything America stands for.If you dont put your hand over your heart your practically saying that your not gonna do that because you dont beleive in what the flag or the Pledge of Allegance is all about.That might be alright to you but its not alright to me and it never will be.I know that alot of men and women have died so that I can say that Pledge but apparently that doesnt matter to some people and thats a real shame.Its scary to think that someone with that kind of disrespect towards our Flag and everything it stand for might be running this country before too long. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
What's really fearful is having an alleged president and vp that is so sorry in every shape, form and fashion that would make your biggest aforementioned fear a reality. [beeep], Heckle and Jeckle could run on an opposing ticket and win by a landslide at this point.

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Its scary to think that someone with that kind of disrespect towards our Flag and everything it stand for might be running this country before too long.

 
I just can't believe that anyone in this Country is even considering voting for Obama Bin Laden the "Head Socialist" but I guess that shows the direction some people want.
I will fight it like a cancer !
 
JWP

Myself along with the rest of Texas have decided to revoke your Texas citizenship. You are no longer a Texan. Only a handful of people have been deemed so... (Edited, TOS, Java)...that their right to be called a Texan was taken away from them.

May God have mercy on your soul..........
 
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Sorry born and raised TEXAN....now speaking of a flag that i WOULD put my hand over my heart for... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif

Even when i dont reply you guys cant help but throw some attacks out there....pretty sad.

 
Wow! jwp's opinions on Obama's lack of respect for the flag mean nothing to me. Nobody is going to vote for jwp.
What floors me is the relevant issue. Is that photo real?
If it is, this country has officially gone to [beeep] in a handbasket! I fear for our country.
Can someone link me to the story behind that photo? I need to pass that along, in hope that some people will come to their senses.
NM, I just looked it up on snopes. I think I'm gonna be sick.
 
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Here's a different perspective. Is it possible that people were never taught to put their hand over their heart? I doubt that's the case with Obama, but I suspect it's nearly always the case when folks are at ball games or something and don't do it. Just a civil thought. Does anyone know the protocol for when the color guard passes with the flag during a Veterens Day ceremony? Salute, hand over heart, hands crossed reverently in front? I believe a lot of this sort of thing that angers (expecially older) people who were taught this as kids, is due to the fact that it's not taught anymore in school or homes. Especially in certain parts of the country.
 
FWIW, I know as a Boy Scout Troop Leader that we have the kids stand at attention and salute (Two finger for Cubs, three for Scouts) if they are in uniform and if not then hand is put over the heart. If a cap is worn when out of uniform then it is removed and placed over the heart. If in full uniform then uniform cap stays on while saluting.

Here is my youngest, Cam, back when he was a Tiger Cub at age six, just learning his flag etiquette. He hadn't quite gotten down that the fingers go to the cap brim, lol, but he got there eventually! He's now a 10 y-o WEBELO and will soon be moving from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts (Time flies!)

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Below is the EXACT wording directly from the United States Code, or the USC:

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 3, 2006]
[CITE: 36USC301]


TITLE 36--PATRIOTIC AND NATIONAL OBSERVANCES, CEREMONIES, AND
ORGANIZATIONS

Subtitle I--Patriotic and National Observances and Ceremonies

Part A--Observances and Ceremonies

CHAPTER 3--NATIONAL ANTHEM, MOTTO, FLORAL EMBLEM \1\ MARCH, AND TREE

Sec. 301. National anthem

(a) Designation.--The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.--During a rendition of the national anthem--
(1) when the flag is displayed--
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,the hand being over the heart ; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute
at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
(Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263.)


There's a different section of the US code (Title 4 Chapter 1, Section 9) that gives the proper way to salute when the flag is raised, lowered, or passes in a parade. That title used to have basically the same language as the above. Title 4 was amended by Congress earlier this year to allow military personnel and veterans to give the military salute even if they were not in uniform. However, Congress did not make the corresponding change to Title 36. Technically, a military person or veteran wearing civilian clothes can give the military salute when the flag passes, but not when the national anthem is played!
 
JWP, I respectfully ask that you change your avatar. There were real patriots in my lineage that used that logo you show, but they did it in honor of our country. Some came home, some didn't.

They do not deserve the sacrilege that you seek to impose on our country. If you do not change that avatar, you are truly a shameless, uncaring person without patriotism or pride in anything other than yourself.
 
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JWP, I respectfully ask that you change your avatar. There were real patriots in my lineage that used that logo you show, but they did it in honor of our country. Some came home, some didn't.

They do not deserve the sacrilege that you seek to impose on our country. If you do not change that avatar, you are truly a shameless, uncaring person without patriotism or pride in anything other than yourself.




Whatever your username is(insert it here), i respectfully ask that you mind your own business. Thank you.
 
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[beeep]---I thought Jimmy Carter was the worst Prez



He was, and still is--History will prove all of the present day W haters wrong, IMO.

Tim
 
As I suspected.

But in fact, this is my business. That flag represents something to me that you could not have any comprehension of. The people that held that flag high are the ones that picked their selves out of a tyrannical government, fought for their families and country and succeeded. They are people that were instilled with morales, courage and a will to fight when cornered. They sacrificed more in one day for our country than you have in your entire paltry existence. Don't you dare tell me to mind my own business. If you were truly educated, and even if you could comprehended what was taught, you still wouldn't care. Your lack of discipline, patriotism and self worth are very telling through your statements.

It must be very hard for you. To have all of that hatred you carry.

If it ever comes to war on our lands, our country will cease to exist if we listen to people like you. Defeatists and cowards.

My terms of Citizenship are more important to me.
 
"They sacrificed more in one day for our country than you have in your entire paltry existence."

The same could probably said for you too.

"Don't you dare tell me to mind my own business"

Oh, i dare. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, thank you. I know you believe you are a righteous person...but keep your opinions to yourself (or atleast dont aim them towards me). It is MY avatar, and i will use whatever i want to (of course as long as it is appropriate material), you can do the same.
 
cjdavis,
I admire your persistence and I agree with you--you are treading where 'others have trod' before!

Its great for trying, but nothing you can say will make a difference with this guy.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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