Byron,
Good to see you posting again and appreciate your input. We're all glad things are improving for you and yours and hope everything is going well. In real close quarters I'm sure many of us could loosen the choke a little and benefit from it. Oh, the advantages of a twin barrel gun! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Randy,
Friend... no peeing match, it is a discussion. I appreciate your knowledge and input also. With that said, your post was all over the place, I sorta gave up on it. I probably didn't understand your point, however, I do know you can't compare a 3 1/2" .10 gauge loading of one sort, to a 3" .12 gauge loading of another kind. Keep it apples to apples... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused1.gif
My point was that I don't see the Remington load being so superior to Dead Coyote. Here's why, a green shell (Remington) with 1 1/2 ounces of T-shot at 1,300 fps is about the same as a brown shell (Dead Coyote) with 1 1/2 ounces of T-shot at 1,300 fps. Apples to apples there right? Hevi-Shot also makes high velocity BB waterfowl loads we've been discussing for a year or so on various shotgun threads. I ran across some info that because of the slick coating that Hevi-Shot applies to their shot to prevent it from scratching the interior of barrels, the shot doesn't pull feathers or hair like other material does, such as plain lead, copper, or even nickle plating. Waterfowlers claim to see a difference in feathers pulled into ducks and geese as opposed to steel. This I don't know about firsthand, just found that interesting. If the Hevi-Shot is harder WITHOUT being so brittle as to break up on bones, and nobody has ever mentioned that before, then I think it will out penetrate a pellet that upsets and loses shape. Byron says the Remington HD is also very hard, cool! I wouldn't argue that it isn't going to be a excellent load. I think this is all exciting stuff for us shotgunners and much is left for discovery. There is a poster here, rem870, that I think has been using some of the HD type stuff for coyotes for awhile, I wish he'd find this thread and chime in with his experiences. Gary Clevenger should also add to this discussion, he's killing a bunch with shotguns.
I thought that Friday I was going to the range with a half dozen chokes, my two Benelli shotguns, and some Federal Premium buffered plated lead No. Four Buck, a box of Dead Coyote, and a box of the Remington HD BB's I picked up at a local sporting goods store. It was going to be patterning heaven...
Unfortunately, that wasn't to be. I didn't get my day off work. On the way home from work I stopped at a local Conservation Area with the intention of doing some impromptu shooting. Nobody was there so I grabbed the Benelli Tactical and screwed a Kick's Buck Kicker choke tube in. I ordered a new Kick's in .680" for this gun and received a .685" instead - ordering goof. I decided to shoot it anyway and plan on returning the choke next week for the correct one. Anyway, I stepped a long 45 steps off and placed a box with a target stapled on it against a large fallen log. I shot three shots of Dead Coyote, changing the target each time. I was preparing to shoot some of the No. Four Buck when a truck with a boat and a family pulled into the parking lot of the lake. I didn't want to alarm them or ruin their evening with shotgun blast, and, since I wasn't really set-up properly anyway, I called it quits and came on home.
Here is a target, Dead Coyote T's, .12 gauge 3" inch from an 18 1/2" inch Benelli M1S90 Tactical barrel, Kick's .685" choke. I know from pacing things off in the past that I was pretty accurately about 44 actual yards. The black circle is 8" and has 24 pellet strikes, the outer scoring ring is 12" and all told there are 37 pellet strikes within that 12" circle at point of aim. Not too bad for a start...