Bayou City Boy
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baldie:
First: Thanks for coming to old Silverfox’s defense for the data he has published in the past year. I have felt like the Lone Ranger this past couple of days with some of the gunslingers who have chosen to question what he has provided.
I thought he might come back out of hibernation, but maybe he’s gathering nuts for the cold winter in North Dakota – or playing golf.
Second – Very nice picture and good job on the fox. It looks like the fox in England don’t have any problems, at least that they can talk about, concerning Silverfox’s data.
roper:
You haven’t offended me. It’s not my data you have chosen to question. If you have any doubts about what Silverfox has been gracious enough to provide for everyone’s use, how his chronograph is set up, or how his ballistic program compares versus real chrony data, you need to take that up with him personally. However, not on an open forum, IMHO, and not with me. That’s all I’ve been saying all weekend.
I haven’t really paid a whole lot of serious attention to the data he got versus world opinion simply because folks like baldie have achieved similar results with factory bullets using his data, and no one has really jumped up until now and questioned it. Besides, it’s his data, and thus, I have absolutely no reason to want to doubt him.
About 95% of what I shoot in 20 caliber is my own hand swaged 20 caliber bullets. As a result, the only data I really worry about is what I get with my own bullets. Because of that, I don’t publish it on the internet since no one has access to a 36 grain open tip HP, a 38 grain HP, or a 41.5 grain lead tipped bullet off the shelf. I will say this, however, that data I have collected with my hand swaged bullets looks very comparable to what Silverfox has achieved with factory bullets of similar but different weights and shapes from mine.
As to Berger bullets: Its pretty obvious that a 40 grain Berger with a BC of .239 will in no way perform down range like a 39 grain Sierra with a BC of .283 or a 40 grain Hornady with a BC of .275. However, many folks report that the Bergers, especially the 35 grain bullets, are very good coyote killers in spite of the lower BC’s.
And for the record, I never said there’s any advantage in shooting a heavy, low BC (like a Berger) bullet in a 20 caliber versus using a 22 caliber. What I said was the 20 caliber is at its best with heavier (39-40 grain), high BC bullets that perform better (trajectory and windage) than normal weight (55 grain), lesser BC, 22 caliber bullets do down range. Ballistics data will confirm that – all you have to do is plug in muzzle velocities and BC’s and watch the trajectory and windage data appear. But again, I own some of both calibers, so having to choose between “one or the other” is not a concern of mine.
If someone wants to shoot field mice with a 50 BMG, that’s fine with me. I just don’t care for other folks chewing up someone’s good data to justify what they do.
- BCB
First: Thanks for coming to old Silverfox’s defense for the data he has published in the past year. I have felt like the Lone Ranger this past couple of days with some of the gunslingers who have chosen to question what he has provided.
I thought he might come back out of hibernation, but maybe he’s gathering nuts for the cold winter in North Dakota – or playing golf.
Second – Very nice picture and good job on the fox. It looks like the fox in England don’t have any problems, at least that they can talk about, concerning Silverfox’s data.
roper:
You haven’t offended me. It’s not my data you have chosen to question. If you have any doubts about what Silverfox has been gracious enough to provide for everyone’s use, how his chronograph is set up, or how his ballistic program compares versus real chrony data, you need to take that up with him personally. However, not on an open forum, IMHO, and not with me. That’s all I’ve been saying all weekend.
I haven’t really paid a whole lot of serious attention to the data he got versus world opinion simply because folks like baldie have achieved similar results with factory bullets using his data, and no one has really jumped up until now and questioned it. Besides, it’s his data, and thus, I have absolutely no reason to want to doubt him.
About 95% of what I shoot in 20 caliber is my own hand swaged 20 caliber bullets. As a result, the only data I really worry about is what I get with my own bullets. Because of that, I don’t publish it on the internet since no one has access to a 36 grain open tip HP, a 38 grain HP, or a 41.5 grain lead tipped bullet off the shelf. I will say this, however, that data I have collected with my hand swaged bullets looks very comparable to what Silverfox has achieved with factory bullets of similar but different weights and shapes from mine.
As to Berger bullets: Its pretty obvious that a 40 grain Berger with a BC of .239 will in no way perform down range like a 39 grain Sierra with a BC of .283 or a 40 grain Hornady with a BC of .275. However, many folks report that the Bergers, especially the 35 grain bullets, are very good coyote killers in spite of the lower BC’s.
And for the record, I never said there’s any advantage in shooting a heavy, low BC (like a Berger) bullet in a 20 caliber versus using a 22 caliber. What I said was the 20 caliber is at its best with heavier (39-40 grain), high BC bullets that perform better (trajectory and windage) than normal weight (55 grain), lesser BC, 22 caliber bullets do down range. Ballistics data will confirm that – all you have to do is plug in muzzle velocities and BC’s and watch the trajectory and windage data appear. But again, I own some of both calibers, so having to choose between “one or the other” is not a concern of mine.
If someone wants to shoot field mice with a 50 BMG, that’s fine with me. I just don’t care for other folks chewing up someone’s good data to justify what they do.
- BCB
