GREAT Thread!!!!!!!!
What hand calls do you guys recomend For caling in the thick stuff? -- I am new and trying to learn every thing I can!

Kirkman, any of the calls you hear mentioned here on this board or over at the handcalls section are great for any type of cover or terrain. But for starters I would get a Johnny STewart pc3, burnham bros long range, or the Lohman dual tone. Any of those are easy to use and the pc3 is very versatile with a lot of practice, it can make several diferent sounds. Jimmie

Okay, I'm looking for ideas from some of the experienced hunters. Let's assume that the coyotes around here are call shy, which they probably are. I haven't been able to get any to howl at a siren, and am forced to set on tracks. would like to know call sequence, or anything else that may help me. I have a loudmouth and when I use it I play it for maybe 30 sec and shut it off for a few minutes, I go back and forth like that for about 15 min and then set in silence for 10 to 15 minutes before I leave. Help is appreciated.

SRS 1,
Take a look at the thread entitled "howling coyotes method". I just brought it back to the top for you. Some of the links may not work anymore, but I can E mail sounds to you if you need them. Good luck.

Rich

I can't get the links to work for some reason.The first one works(domain howl) but none of the others do...???

What type of area and terrain do you have to hunt there in OH?

SteveM, I mostly hunt the wayne national forest. There's not much in the way of fields here, and what few there are are right along roads and houses. I went out the other night and just sat down at the edge of a field and howled, a few coyotes answered from about 200yds. I got excited and moved to face them and apparently they saw me cause I never seen or heard them again. I realize the biggest part is locating them, but when they won't talk, I just have to take a guess and setup whereever I can. I think I am bumping some on my setup, but have done everything I know of to avoid it. My vehicle and the woods are only sooo quiet. Anyways, I have taken the yotes to school around here, and they have graduated before me

Hunting the forests can be a tough job. I find it much easier using a FoxPro with a decoy. Good Luck.

Hey guys
I thought this thread would never end.
I need to learn how to call I've never called one in. I need to know how many blows in each series and how often to blow the series. I think I do to much blowing then too little.
Thanks
AMfoxhunter

Am,
The best thing to do is get some instruction tapes from some of the good callers. Randy Anderson's Videos are really good too. Listen to the sounds and then make your calls into a pocket recorder. Play your sounds on top of their sounds and see how close you are. keep goin until you get them exact.

Major has some good tapes here too.

www.critrcall.com

Good luck.

hey guys
How often can you call an area. If you don't see anything can you come back sooner.
Thanks
AMfoxhunter

Fox, depends on how much callin area you have. I generally don't call an area again for a couple of weeks after making kills, maybe even longer but I have lots of hunting area here. If a small area and don't call up anything after a couple of trys, don't usually go back. It may not be a good area for yotes may not be there the times of day or night I am hunting. Think about those areas, they may not be productive.

It has been my own experience that calling the same area as little as only once or twice a year can have an effect on the resident coyotes. Seem like those buggers learn real quick and have very long memory concerning bad experience with a screaming rabbit. This fact is just one of the reasons that we have to be constantly improving our hunting ability, and constantly striving to find new ways to fool the wiley coyote.

It is much harder for a coyote to become wise to his own voice than it is to the sound of enclosed reed predator calls. The constant repetition that electronic callers emit, are probably even easier for coyotes to wise up to than enclosed reed hand calls. The E mails that I have received this past winter, and some of the posts that I have seen on the PM forums have hammered home the truth in my belief that howlers are worth their weight in gold for the serious coyote caller.

What about areas where a howl is NEVER heard. We hunt an area that is loaded with coyotes. Every trip shows tons of new sign. However, howling has never been responded to, either vocally, or by a visit (that we are aware). We have only had them come in to a rabbit distress call. (The area also has a very healthy snowshoe population)

They are plenty quiet here in my area too. That is not to say they won't come in to a howl. I do very little howling here but did have one come in. As Rich says, I believe you have to keep changin up and working to be successful unless you are in areas like out West! I hunt all over the country and it is a whole new ballgame when hunting around here compared to out West.