Indiana and our new regulations.

Originally Posted By: biggen0_8I can understand the Elmer Fudd situation,but that exists whether your using a shotgun or a rifle, unfortunately stupid people are protected by our society.

in this case i dont see it as protecting the stupid people - i see it as protecting innocent people from the stupid people.


a shotgun slug at 500 yds has the trajectory nearly a mortar round. it has a relatively short range.

a 30-06 or 300 WM at 500 yds is still cruising along relatively flatly (compared to a 12 gauge slug or anything fired out of a pistol caliber carbine as described in the laws above) and still able to do some pretty significant damage.

i'd much rather the Elmer Fudd's of this world be out toting a shotgun or a pistol caliber carbine than a high powered rifle - especially in semi-urban areas. but thats just my opinion. I'm blessed to hunt for the most part on private property in a mostly rural area outside of our restricted zone. I know all the hunters around me & based on their success i have to believe when my neighbor's tell me they can shoot. but that's a really small sampling of the hunting community and definitely not what i would consider the weekend warrior crowd. all except one are landowners who have hunted most of their lives, and the guy who leases has been renting for over 15 years now and only lives a few miles from us. and he's a deer hunter, trapper and winter fur hunter.

Quote:I guess I'm mostly wound up over idiots creating vague and difficult to enforce laws

that i can fully appreciate. at least our restricted zone hunting regs are very clear and concise. here's to hoping the locals get the language in the Indiana law sorted out quickly so everyone knows what going on.
 
Originally Posted By: yotehunter243Well I finally broke down and got a 450 Bushy built for deer hunting and then ran across a second one I traded for to give my dad. Well as luck would have it they passed a 4 year "trial" rifle season for deer. Now with this they limit us to private land only, 10 rounds of ammo with you and .243, 30-30, 308, 30-06 and .300. That's exactly How the language reads as of now. Now there are many variations of ".300" but I'm assuming 300 win mag. Out of those choices what would you get? It will be a Tikka rifle with a B&C stock most likely. I already have a 30-30. More then likely I'll carry my short handy bushy that Ritch is building but we do have large food plots with insulated shooting houses. So a bolt gun would be nice with shots to 400 easily. I know they will all do the job at that distance (except the 30-30) but it's fun to look at the different options and listen to everyones opinion.

Dat's some crazy rules !
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Originally Posted By: Tim NeitzkeOriginally Posted By: yotehunter243Well I finally broke down and got a 450 Bushy built for deer hunting and then ran across a second one I traded for to give my dad. Well as luck would have it they passed a 4 year "trial" rifle season for deer. Now with this they limit us to private land only, 10 rounds of ammo with you and .243, 30-30, 308, 30-06 and .300. That's exactly How the language reads as of now. Now there are many variations of ".300" but I'm assuming 300 win mag. Out of those choices what would you get? It will be a Tikka rifle with a B&C stock most likely. I already have a 30-30. More then likely I'll carry my short handy bushy that Ritch is building but we do have large food plots with insulated shooting houses. So a bolt gun would be nice with shots to 400 easily. I know they will all do the job at that distance (except the 30-30) but it's fun to look at the different options and listen to everyones opinion.

Dat's some crazy rules !
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Ya the rule change is pretty crazy. Makes me happy we sold one of our small farms where everything was big timber with fields and properties were broke up between 50-150 acre lots. Those are the locations that rifles don't need to be. I live just outside city limits now in a fairly populated area with nice homes and I can sit on my porch and count 3-5 Hunters in stands along my yard during gun season. Everyone owns 3-5 acres around me and hunts it. That will make you feel a little uncomfortable. Just hope they use common sense. Luckily where our property is we have the only timber for several miles and won't have to worry about neighbors. I do think a short barreled 308 would be handy. I was really hoping for a model 7 7mm08 but guess they figure a 300 is a better deer choice.
 
All of you guys are lucky. Over here in the grand state of Illinois we can't even use a rifle so quit complaining about only being able to use SO many calibers. I'm just kidding,go Illinois. this state blows.
 
While the prior regs were a bit curious, they served a purpose and served it pretty well. The only people who really hated that setup were those that HAD to use full sized rifle cartridges for deer.

The language is an embarrassment to our legislator. What is meant by .243? Is that Win or is my Win AI legal? How about a 243 WSSM? And .300 could be WinMag, Weatherby, Whisper, or Blackout. Meanwhile, similar powered cartridges in 270, 6.5mm, and 7mm are totally left out. There is no logical way for how this bill was written.

Worst of all, as written, even the 44Mag and 357Mag rifles which have been legal are now illegal. Those rounds are being fired out of rifles, and no provision is made to retain their use.

If any sense is left, this is far from over. I will certainly be writing a letter to my congressmen.
 
Originally Posted By: yotehunter243I maybe wrong but thought I read that the previous 1.8" 358 and up chamberings are still legal.

Your correct, here is a letter that I picked off of another forum from a gentleman who contacted DNR.

House Bill 1231 was passed by the Indiana General Assembly this year and signed by the Governor. It was initiated by a state legislator and not the DNR. It allows the following high-powered rifles on private land only statewide, with a limit of no more than 10 cartridges (possessed in the field): .243, .30-30, .300, .30-06, and .308. All the cartridges presently legal are still legal on public and private land. All of these need to have a minimum case length of 1.16" and no full metal jacketed bullets can be used. These additional new cartridges are for private land only and all of the " in between" cartridges (270,etc) are not legal anywhere. We will have information in this year's DNR Hunting/Trapping Regulation guide, which will be available in late July. The bill language can be found on-line at: https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1231

Michelle Cain,
Wildlife Information Specialist
Certified Fisheries Biologist
Indiana Division of Fish & Wildlife
402 W. Washington St. Room W273
Indianapolis, IN 46204
(317)234-8240
mcain@dnr.in.gov

Now to add another question to the list, is this part of the bill.

IC 14-22-2.9 Sec. 9.(b) in part Deer hunters can use a handgun the fires a commercially available 10mm bullet. and Sec. 9.(d) Requiring the DNR to change any necessary rule to comply with this new section

So does this mean 40S@W is legal, or only the 10MM cartridge?

Guess there is nothing to do but wait and see.

It just would have been nice if somebody would have sat down with some sportsmen and really put some effort into making this an intelligent, understandable piece of legislation
 
Quote:So does this mean 40S@W is legal, or only the 10MM cartridge?

i would think that would depend if your handgun cartridge rules follow similar minimum case OAL rule as the 1.16-1.8" thing

also by the fact that they're so [beeep] vague with what they're printing.

like stu said, there's not enough facepalms available
 
Our CO'S are a joke. They don't have enough to cover the territory they are assigned to. We call in 5-8 poached deer in our farm a year and they just say nothing they can do about it
 
Originally Posted By: yotehunter243Our CO'S are a joke. They don't have enough to cover the territory they are assigned to. We call in 5-8 poached deer in our farm a year and they just say nothing they can do about it


Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result every time.

Would you rather do something about the problem, or would you rather just give the CO's a hard time to anybody and everybody that you can get to listen?
 
Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: yotehunter243Our CO'S are a joke. They don't have enough to cover the territory they are assigned to. We call in 5-8 poached deer in our farm a year and they just say nothing they can do about it


Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result every time.

Would you rather do something about the problem, or would you rather just give the CO's a hard time to anybody and everybody that you can get to listen?

Call the Sheriff's Department. They should be able to write the same poaching ticket as well as trespassing and property damage charges, ect.
 
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I've lived in Indiana for 17yrs. now, I lived in Ohio for the prior 37yrs, of which I hunted about 27 of those.
In the 17yrs that I have hunted in Indiana I have never ever talked to a game warden during hunting season while I was in the field. I would only see one at a check-in station on occasion.

In Ohio there was hardly a year that I didn't have some kind of interaction with a warden, not because I was doing anything illegal but they were everywhere. I had them drive back the lane into the woods, had them stop me on the way into town to eat lunch at the very least you would see them cruising the roads during season.

Here in Indiana the only time I've had an encounter with a warden was when we were fishing on the lake, and they would do a safety and paperwork check

I think we have very few wardens in Indiana and that during deer season they are so busy they can't possibly give every complaint the attention that they would like to.
 
Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: yotehunter243Our CO'S are a joke. They don't have enough to cover the territory they are assigned to. We call in 5-8 poached deer in our farm a year and they just say nothing they can do about it


Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result every time.

Would you rather do something about the problem, or would you rather just give the CO's a hard time to anybody and everybody that you can get to listen?

What would be your suggestion as to "do something about it"?
 

Put your complaint into writing and include dates, times, and contacts that you made trying to get the problem taken care of.
Make copies of that written complaint and forward it up the chain as far as needed until you get results.
If you are making repeated attempts and getting no help with the issue, you have a problem at the local level. Verbal complaints can be forgotten or ignored. Written complaints submitted to any state agency will require action and a written reply.
 



These 2 bucks were poached on us last year. I'm holding the buck on the first picture and our neighbor who owns a few acres that buts up to us is holder the second buck. The second buck was shot in his yard where he took pictures of the vehicle when they came back by to try and cut the head off it. The buck I am holding was called in the day after it was shot and never got a call back or any follow up with either deer from either agency we called. We have thousands of acres of public land in our county and there just isn't enough officers to cover the areas. There is another member on here who can vouch for that.
 
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Originally Posted By: fw707
Put your complaint into writing and include dates, times, and contacts that you made trying to get the problem taken care of.
Make copies of that written complaint and forward it up the chain as far as needed until you get results.
If you are making repeated attempts and getting no help with the issue, you have a problem at the local level. Verbal complaints can be forgotten or ignored. Written complaints submitted to any state agency will require action and a written reply.

Thank you. We have the dates wrote down and I'll write something up
 
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