Experts Weigh Officer’s Decisions Leading to Fatal Shooting of Michael Brown

Originally Posted By: HidalgoNo criticism from me. I think we're both on the same page. But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation.

If we aren't careful in this country we will end up like other places where the cops only use batons and don't carry firearms.


Well that cop in Cleveland didn't hesitate. I wonder if he has remorse? He jumped out of the car and the kid was shot dead in 2 seconds flat. A well trained highly motivated professional did that, I wonder what would happen if a conceal carry holder did the same?
 
Originally Posted By: Eugene CanterburyOriginally Posted By: HidalgoNo criticism from me. I think we're both on the same page. But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation.

If we aren't careful in this country we will end up like other places where the cops only use batons and don't carry firearms.


Well that cop in Cleveland didn't hesitate. I wonder if he has remorse? He jumped out of the car and the kid was shot dead in 2 seconds flat. A well trained highly motivated professional did that, I wonder what would happen if a conceal carry holder did the same?
WOW!...wait a second there Egene!...REMORSE?...I think any human would have...!...in that situation...we were not in their shoes..
Humans make mistakes from time to time sure!
I happen to be a CCW holder...a measly 380...why?...cause if all else fails to avoid confrontation to avoid trouble then, the perp. gonna get a few rounds up close and personal..
darn..not sure where your thoughts come from, but that came off very negative to me...(JMO)..
 
Top cops in Baltimore and Boston? I'd give odds that they spent their careers kissing the backsides of every liberal mayor that came along to get into their jobs. Garbage in, garbage out.
 
Peace Officer, Police Officer, LEO, or Gestapo?

It's a fine line that gets easily blurred. Should not be but it does... We clearly have a Gestapo that is serving a warrant with paramilitary weapons and tactics somewhere out in America at this exact moment... Are they protecting and serving, raiding and ravaging, or are they sharpening their skills for martial law... The LEOs of this thread I don't see invading a community with war like tactics... They where working their beat... Our society still needs them to keep unruliness at bay... And we extend a certain level of trust that the men and women selected for this job have integrity and do the right thing... Yeah yeah yeah... there are always going to be bad apples in any bunch of, well anything... But I think the majority have integrity... When was the last time you saw MSM give a story about a LEO going above and beyond the call of duty... Been a minute... Seems all you hear about is when one messes up or his duty is in question... And almost every time I hear praise for an officer there is usually a big "newsworthy story" prior to his actions... Like a mass shooting and the cop takes out the gunman... Our LEO should no feel threatened that if they use lethal force in the line of duty. that they are going to get thrown under the bus to suffice an ethic group that is rioting without any evidence to back up there reasons for doing so...
 
Quote: Seems all you hear about is when one messes up or his duty is in question... And almost every time I hear praise for an officer there is usually a big "newsworthy story" prior to his actions... Like a mass shooting and the cop takes out the gunman... Our LEO should no feel threatened that if they use lethal force in the line of duty. that they are going to get thrown under the bus to suffice an ethic group that is rioting without any evidence to back up there reasons for doing so...

How true!

Regards,
hm
 
Originally Posted By: HookedOriginally Posted By: Eugene CanterburyOriginally Posted By: HidalgoNo criticism from me. I think we're both on the same page. But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation.

If we aren't careful in this country we will end up like other places where the cops only use batons and don't carry firearms.


Well that cop in Cleveland didn't hesitate. I wonder if he has remorse? He jumped out of the car and the kid was shot dead in 2 seconds flat. A well trained highly motivated professional did that, I wonder what would happen if a conceal carry holder did the same?
WOW!...wait a second there Egene!...REMORSE?...I think any human would have...!...in that situation...we were not in their shoes..
Humans make mistakes from time to time sure!
I happen to be a CCW holder...a measly 380...why?...cause if all else fails to avoid confrontation to avoid trouble then, the perp. gonna get a few rounds up close and personal..
darn..not sure where your thoughts come from, but that came off very negative to me...(JMO)..

Mr. Hidalgo said it must be done without remorse. And yes I agree with you, most people would/should have remorse. Unless you are a sociopath. That seems like what a sociopath is. No remorse or empathy. So if that cop shot the kid by mistake, well that's still a dead kid. Some mistakes need accountability. That's just my opinion though. I think you must of meant to ask mr. Hidalgo what he meant maybe.
 
You must like white-haired gorillas Eugene ... since you seem to be following me around and challenging or commenting on every post I make.

Are you a lady gorilla?
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I like lady gorillas!
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Cops are way out of line these days. Need to be held accountable for there [beeep] decisions like everyone else. Badges dont grant extra rights. And if we behaved like our police/govt, wed be arrested and thrown in prison with the death penalty. Just saying, it's not a race thing, its an accountability thing. How many non lethal ways are there to subdue someone, more then one, two, three even? Guessing thats never a thought these days right, since everything is always "justified" after there own corrupt department does the in investigating and figure how to cover there [beeep]. Remember this, we have the most corrupt govt in the world, dont believe a dam thing they say or do, they're the real criminals. What a bunch of BS.
 
Originally Posted By: HidalgoYou must like white-haired gorillas Eugene ... since you seem to be following me around and challenging or commenting on every post I make.

Are you a lady gorilla?
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I like lady gorillas!
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Can you send me a picture of you?
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Well when you make a reckless and careless statement like this, "But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation". I'm not sure what to say. Taking a life should be the last thing you do after all other ideas are exhausted. Hopefully you are supervised when you are around firearms. You seem to be a know it all, so I guess nobody can comment after you have spoken. Post your email and phone number and I'll send you a few pictures
 
Originally Posted By: Stu Farishhttp://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawki...25106/page/full

Excellent article, Stu. Worth the band width to post in full so taking liberty to do so:

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7 Lessons To Be Learned From The Trayvon Martin And Michael Brown Cases
John Hawkins | Nov 29, 2014

Even if you agree with the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, it’s easy to feel some sympathy for Trayvon Martin. Here was a 17 year old kid who wasn’t doing anything wrong, who was being followed. It’s easy to see how that could freak him out. Unfortunately, that led to his making a bad decision. He attacked an armed man, fought well enough that he put Zimmerman in fear of his life and then got shot for it. It was a tragic case not only for Martin, who died, but for Zimmerman whose life seems to have been ruined by that day.

Although it’s sad to see anyone lose his life, Michael Brown isn’t nearly as sympathetic of a victim. He robbed a convenience store, assaulted a police officer, ignored his order to stop and then ran at the cop when he had a gun on him. What do you say about someone who gets shot under those circumstances other than he brought it on himself?

There are lessons we can learn from how these cases panned out and they’re not the ones liberals always seem to be pushing in these situations (If someone who isn’t Christian or conservative is offended, he must be right! We need another government program! Even though we have a black President, racism is everywhere in America!)

1) The initial story you hear is probably a lie: If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up somewhere claiming that a wonderful black kid who was going to college was shot for no reason and nobody is doing anything about it because of racism, you can safely assume you’re being taken for a ride. The police do make mistakes. The Akai Gurley case is a great example of that. There are also bad cops out there. The cops who tortured Abner Louima in New York City fit that description. But, it's better to let a court sort through the details under oath to get the facts rather than relying on rumors and people who see dollar signs in their eyes every time someone yells "racism."

2) The Left has zero interest in discussing why black Americans are really more likely to be shot by police officers: The numbers can vary depending on whose statistics you’re looking at, but using the best estimate available, black Americans seem to be 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police than white Americans. Could there be a possible explanation for this that goes beyond racism? Actually, yes.

Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement.

Percentage-wise, black Americans are much more likely to commit crimes and so, it’s not a surprise that they’re more likely to end up in potentially dangerous conflicts with police officers. Encouraging black Americans to be hostile to police officers, which is sadly all too common, only exacerbates the problem by making cops more suspicious and by making black Americans more likely to do potentially dangerous things around the police. The vast majority of black Americans are decent, law-abiding people and it’s sad that some of them are afraid of the police. That’s an issue that police departments should do much more to address, but unless they’re met halfway by community leaders who are willing to work with the cops, any effort is doomed to fail.

3) It’s time for cops to start wearing body cameras: If Darren Wilson had been wearing a body camera, the bogus “hands up, don’t shoot” meme would have never gotten any traction. Not only would body cameras help eradicate fears of abuse from officers, it would protect cops from the sort of false charges we saw in the Michael Brown case. Body cameras wouldn’t be a panacea, but they would probably make life better for both the cops and the people they’re policing.

4) You better arm yourself because you can’t count on the police to protect you: It was widely speculated that there would be riots in Ferguson if the Grand Jury didn’t indict Darren Wilson. Yet, the governor of Missouri refused to deploy the National Guard in Ferguson on the first night. Without the help of the National Guard, the police weren’t able to contain the mayhem and there was rioting, looting, assaults and arson. Even though the state of Missouri officials knew it was coming, even though they could have prevented it – they didn’t. Take that lesson to heart, get your own gun and learn how to use it so if trouble comes knocking on your doorstep, you won’t be waiting for help from the state that never comes.

5) The mainstream media is more interested in promoting the idea that America is a racist country than the truth: The mainstream media helped create the angst over Trayvon Martin and the riots in Ferguson. NBC falsely claimed George Zimmerman used a racial slur and edited his call to the police to make him sound bad while the whole media used an old picture of Trayvon Martin that made people think he was 12. On the eve of the Grand Jury verdict in the Michael Brown case, the New York Times published THE STREET Darren Wilson lives on with his new wife. Beyond those egregious offenses, the mainstream media helped create many of the initial myths about both cases, was slow to correct the facts and habitually slanted its news coverage to portray Zimmerman and Wilson as guilty, even when it didn’t fit the facts. Everyone knows the mainstream media is biased, but when its coverage plays a role in getting people’s businesses burned to the ground, it has gone too far.

6) Most people on the “Left” care more about the narrative than the truth: One of the most amazing things about both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown caseswas how many people didn’t change their minds one bit about what happened even after the initial stories in both cases proved to be false. Instead, many people cared more about the narrative, “White people in general and white cops in particular are shooting black people for no reason,” than what really happened. It was as if Zimmerman and Wilson had to go to jail not because they did anything wrong, but because to proclaim them innocent was a slam against black Americans.

7) “Black Leaders” are looking to ratchet up the tension, not ease it: It’s extremely ironic that most of the businesses that burned in Ferguson were minority-owned because black leaders like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers and, yes, Eric Holder and Barack Obama helped make it happen. Yes, they gave bloodless, CYA condemnations of violence, and then went back to hyping people up instead of calming them down. See, when people get mad, they give donations. Peace doesn’t make money. Peace doesn’t get your name in the newspaper. Peace doesn’t get anyone on TV.


Regards,
hm
 
eugene,Welcome,what kind of caller do you use?Are there many coyotes where you are?Do you shoot a shotgun or rifle?I just got a new turbo dogg and like it so far.Did not mean to hijack the thread,sorry.
 
Originally Posted By: kyotekiller25Cops are way out of line these days. Need to be held accountable for there [beeep] decisions like everyone else. Badges dont grant extra rights. And if we behaved like our police/govt, wed be arrested and thrown in prison with the death penalty. Just saying, it's not a race thing, its an accountability thing. How many non lethal ways are there to subdue someone, more then one, two, three even? Guessing thats never a thought these days right, since everything is always "justified" after there own corrupt department does the in investigating and figure how to cover there [beeep]. Remember this, we have the most corrupt govt in the world, dont believe a dam thing they say or do, they're the real criminals. What a bunch of BS.

How can you say that? They put their life on the line every day. And they do it for poor wages. Cops keep us all safe
 
Originally Posted By: tnshootisteugene,Welcome,what kind of caller do you use?Are there many coyotes where you are?Do you shoot a shotgun or rifle?I just got a new turbo dogg and like it so far.Did not mean to hijack the thread,sorry.

I'm moving to the Cumberland plateau soon, and I'm hoping to coyote hunt with the hillbillys there. If they can get out of bed with their sisters. I just bought a caller and 15 rifles and tried it last night. Thanks for asking. But I'll let you how it goes. No need to ask again, I'll contact you.
 
Originally Posted By: Eugene CanterburyOriginally Posted By: HidalgoYou must like white-haired gorillas Eugene ... since you seem to be following me around and challenging or commenting on every post I make.

Are you a lady gorilla?
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I like lady gorillas!
tt1.gif
wub.gif


Can you send me a picture of you?
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Well when you make a reckless and careless statement like this, "But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation". I'm not sure what to say. Taking a life should be the last thing you do after all other ideas are exhausted. Hopefully you are supervised when you are around firearms. You seem to be a know it all, so I guess nobody can comment after you have spoken. Post your email and phone number and I'll send you a few pictures

Put my statements back into context. The topic was referring to law enforcement that is out in the trenches being targets for every thug, drug dealer, car thief, and other criminal on a daily basis. If they have to use their weapon it should be swift and decisive. They have no room for remorse or hesitation if they want to stay alive. Not for a split second. And not that I have to report to your concerns about my firearms expertise, but I am professionally trained and have had a CCW for many years as well as being a certified instructor.

You can agree or disagree with my statements and opinions. Makes no difference to me. Discussion is open here but name calling and personal insults are NOT. Just saying .....
 
Originally Posted By: HidalgoOriginally Posted By: Eugene CanterburyOriginally Posted By: HidalgoYou must like white-haired gorillas Eugene ... since you seem to be following me around and challenging or commenting on every post I make.

Are you a lady gorilla?
tt1.gif


I like lady gorillas!
tt1.gif
wub.gif


Can you send me a picture of you?
drool.gif


Wow!



Well when you make a reckless and careless statement like this, "But if/when it comes down to taking a life it has to be done with no remorse or hesitation". I'm not sure what to say. Taking a life should be the last thing you do after all other ideas are exhausted. Hopefully you are supervised when you are around firearms. You seem to be a know it all, so I guess nobody can comment after you have spoken. Post your email and phone number and I'll send you a few pictures

Put my statements back into context. The topic was referring to law enforcement that is out in the trenches being targets for every thug, drug dealer, car thief, and other criminal on a daily basis. If they have to use their weapon it should be swift and decisive. They have no room for remorse or hesitation if they want to stay alive. Not for a split second. And not that I have to report to your concerns about my firearms expertise, but I am professionally trained and have had a CCW for many years as well as being a certified instructor.

You can agree or disagree with my statements and opinions. Makes no difference to me. Discussion is open here but name calling and personal insults are NOT. Just saying .....

Wow! Ask if I'm a lady gorilla, and then tell me name calling and personal insults are NOT allowed. Somehow I figured you would justify your absurd statement. To me that was a reckless statement. Oh yeah, just saying. And professional training means nothing when it's bad training. No instructor I know would even leave that statement open to interpretation. It's just bad all the way around.
 
Then please educate me by telling me how, when, and where a LEO should draw their firearm and take a life. You seem to know that I am wrong, so please set me straight.

Of course, please remember that I might be one of those hillbillies that you referred to earlier. So please be kind and speak slowly so I can understand.
 
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