RTLOF18918BI have yet to try Blue Dot but have a can of it and will try it. Suposed to be pretty good in the .223. I have used several of the others mentioned with good results. I'm real curious about the Blue Dot Tony [/quote said:12 grains of Bluedot with a 40 grain bullet of your choice will net you around 3000 fps. I have shot plenty of sub one inch groups with this combo. Wont work out of my AR-15 but fun in a bolt gun. Quiet, accurate and cheap to shoot. I always have a box or two of this load sitting on my shelf.