Unions

Originally Posted By: redeyeddawg
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That is like saying all hunters are poachers. Exceptions are not the rules.
 
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherThat is like saying all hunters are poachers. Exceptions are not the rules.

Poachers are by definition engaging in illegal activity. Riding on the gravy train of tenure/senority among union circles is encouraged and while not illegal, it is certainly immoral.
 
If the average teachers salary is that much, we should have everyone in the nation lineing up to be a teacher shouldnt we????? I dont think that number is quite accurate!!!!

As with mine its just a number!!! Correct Rocky????????

"Information given the US Census Bureau is voluntarily given, it is not required, and many people, especially those who are self employed refuse to report their income in Census Bureau Questionaire"

WONDER WHY THIS IS??????? Dont want to pay their far share of TAXES???????
 
Originally Posted By: Stumper4268WONDER WHY THIS IS??????? Dont want to pay their far share of TAXES???????

Having worked in the accounting field for many, many years I will answer that question. Not only yes but a big YES!
 

Standard of living in the People's Republic of China!!!!

Private, part-time schools, which appeared in large numbers in the mid-1980s, offered moonlighting work to university professors, who could double or triple their modest incomes if they were from prestigious institutions and taught desirable subjects, such as English, Japanese, or electronics.



I guess thats why they OWN us now!!!!!!!!
 
"Riding on the gravy train of tenure/senority among union circles is encouraged and while not illegal, it is certainly immoral!!"

About like Senators and Congress men. LOL!!!!!!
 
Last month, nearly 2,000 Chinese workers went on strike at a Honda transmission factory in southern China. The strike eventually spread across the mainland, halting production at all four of Honda's factories in China.

One Honda worker on strike posted a question online to his fellow workers: "Our parents have suffered from this cheap labor market and now they are getting old. Do we want to follow in the footsteps of our parents?"

After the suicide deaths of ten workers (and three attempted suicides), Foxconn, the world's largest contract maker of electronics and a major producer of Apple products, said that within three months it would double the salaries of many of its assembly line workers!

Only ACTION will end in RESULTS!!!!!
 
LOL!! Stumper, are you comparing teachers in the US to assembly line workers in CHINA!!?? A bit of a stretch, don't you think? It's sad how so many people have been brainwashed to believe the American Dream is laziness and freebies.
 
No just making a point like Dogcatcher said in a earlier post.. You have to stand up for what you believe in or they will CHIT on you everytime!!!!!

Dogcatcher---

"That proves what I said earlier, the union members believe in what they say and put their money where thier mouth is. Don't tell me they make so much that they can throw it away, I know better, but they use their money to farther what they beleive in. That is more than the other 89% of the country."
 
It is amazing how so many many people can talk this and talk that, but when it comes to spitting out the work and dollars they hide.

Stump you are on your own, I have things to do to try to keep this world turning, before the unions makes it flat and makes the sun comes up in the west.
 
I don't think anyone will argue with you in the case of people who are actually getting a raw deal. When Wisconsin teacher's salaries average $50k/yr and they contribute 0.2% to their very healthy pension and 4%-6% to their health care costs I think you'll have a hard time convincing people they are getting a raw real. Especially when unemployment is over 9% (in many areas MUCH higher) and a deal like that is unheard of outside of "public service".
 
Quote:I really "believe" they have not been audited. Just like I believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny

I suspect that at least some of them have been audited, and the results just haven't been released to the public.

I would seriously doubt that they have cleaned up their act though, since zero criminal charges were filed, and where (minimal) fines are applied, those fines CAN legally be paid out of general dues.



Quote:So basically you are stilled scared of 11% of the people, the union members have more power than you because they are better organized and they are willing to spend their money to farther their agenda.

No, I'm against the unions who represent 36% of PUBLIC employees (and who I didn't vote for) having power over the government I DID vote for, and to add insult to injury, using my money to gain that power.

Even if the unions are (now) playing it straight and all of their PAC money is "voluntarily" given, that's only the money that's given directly to candidates. The unions can and do use general dues to pay for "issue advertising", almost all of which is of the "Republicans are evil, vote Democrat" variety.

Why should I have to pay for that advertising with my tax dollars, and more to the point, why should a teacher or other public employee be forced to pay union dues whether he wants to or not?

The numbers are accurate Stumper, but in the case of the teachers they include benefits (medical and pension) which are far and away better than the rest of us have (if we we have them at all). I'm sure there are many people who would like to get on the band wagon, but not many places are hiring teachers right now, and in fact it looks like at least 1500 in WI are going to be laid off.

In addition, since with union rules it usually doesn't matter how good a teacher you are, the newest will be the ones laid off, it might give you pause before you tried to get hired.
 
Originally Posted By: NM LeonNo, I'm against the unions who represent 36% of PUBLIC employees (and who I didn't vote for) having power over the government I DID vote for, and to add insult to injury, using my money to gain that power.

Looks like like the 36% union members are smarter than the non union, unless they are forced to pay dues, they are sucking the hind teat of benefits for free. So the 64% that are non members are still raking in the benefits, Oh what a great country! .

Quote:Even if the unions are (now) playing it straight and all of their PAC money is "voluntarily" given, that's only the money that's given directly to candidates. The unions can and do use general dues to pay for "issue advertising", almost all of which is of the "Republicans are evil, vote Democrat" variety.

If it is legal, what is the beef? You can do the same, you can advertise any amount you want. A lot of other organizations do, why not you?


Quote:Why should I have to pay for that advertising with my tax dollars, and more to the point, why should a teacher or other public employee be forced to pay union dues whether he wants to or not?

Not your tax dollars, it is the people's dues that pays for the advertising. You can can claim it as tax dollars, but that is BS, it is their money to with as they see fit. Just because some one is a government employee doesn't mean every thing they spend is your tax dollar , they worked for it. Kind of looks like they use their dollar pretty efficiently you might try it. As to the being forced to pay dues, they knew what they were getting into, sounds like their lightbulb may not be a bright as they think it is. If so many disagree with paying the dues, they can always call for a referendum to rescind the union and not pay the dues. Guess what, they know which side of the union they want to stay on, the side that covers their rear, gets them their raises, looks like they really like what the union does for them, sounds kind of 2 faced.


Quote:In addition, since with union rules it usually doesn't matter how good a teacher you are, the newest will be the ones laid off, it might give you pause before you tried to get hired. This is a valid point, the least productive employees should be laid off first, too bad there is no real valid method to actually consider productivity of teachers. Teachers deal with individuals, each is unique, no test can decide how good a teacher is, a test only shows how good the student is. You needn't answer this reply about the teachers I have read quite a bit of your other verbal vomit about the teaching profession and already know the line you will try to go.
 
An immaterial issue, as stated earlier, if you want your candidate elected, you have to be active, support your candidate with MONEY, and not sit around and complain. That is how the unions get their candidates elected, while the other 89% of America sit at their keyboards and complain.
 
Originally Posted By: dogcatcherNot your tax dollars, it is the people's dues that pays for the advertising. You can can claim it as tax dollars, but that is BS, it is their money to with as they see fit. Just because some one is a government employee doesn't mean every thing they spend is your tax dollar , they worked for it.


Looks like the proponents of socialism have successfully created a disconnect between you and your tax dollars. Our government employee's salaries are quite literally our tax dollars. To deny this is ridiculous. They work for the public and are payed for by the public with tax dollars.
 
Many State workers are political hacks that are hired or appointed to a position by whatever party is in power. They work at the discretion of Governor or Judges or Legislators in positions that are not permanent State titles. Most State workers in high populated States in Northeast, CA, IL, MI, WI etc.. have unions. At the City, County and State level there are unions that represent Teachers, Police, Fire, Corrections. These people do not have the right to strike but have and do. They are never fired and have been getting what they want. Feds & States usually give us that same old, if we don't pass the budget increase we will have to layoff cops & firemen, senario. Government (mostly Democratic admins.) use this ploy to get our interest that safety & security will be sacraficed. But, Federal, State and local governments have a large amount of fat in their administrations that can be cut. Example: computers have made it possible for one person to do the work of many typists, but there are more clerical workers now then before. Big Government makes more laws & regulations to Govern our lifes. They constantly hire new people to monitor, administrate, enforce these new laws. Example: 20,000 new IRS agents to check on us with the new ObamaCare. When and if Fed Gov shuts down observe how much it effects you. Notta. Zilch.
 
Why that looks like Barney "I talk like I have something in my mouth" Frank Rep MA (D). And maybe there's an intern under the desk. Sorry, forgive me people.
 
Originally Posted By: conservative1911Many State workers are political hacks that are hired or appointed to a position by whatever party is in power. They work at the discretion of Governor or Judges or Legislators in positions that are not permanent State titles. Most State workers in high populated States in Northeast, CA, IL, MI, WI etc.. have unions.

Then they should not have much of a state pension problem if Many State Workers are political hacks that are hired or appointed are here for this administration and gone with the next. I guess that is one way to save on pension costs, one that I have not heard of. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
I don't believe pensions are the problem with unions. Pensions are a State budget problem which unions have nothing to do with. Example: NJ Governor Christie Whitman (R)lowered NJ Income Tax 30% as promised. During her 8 years the economy was great and the 7-9.5% state workers were paying into the pensions were not being matched by the State since all NJ pension funds were overfunded. Meaning NJ pension investments were so good because of economy that NJ didn't put funds in. Now during the lean years and stock market decline these pensions are underfunded by nearly 30 Billion in NJ. Who's fault? Unions have and will always due better and get more than they want with Democratic administrations. Dems have been buying union support & votes since FDR.
 
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