Uncle Bernie doesnt like guns that can be used to kill people but hunting guns are ok.

Tbone I'm quite certain you have no idea what a libertarian is......my only point about tea party and the black panther was on open carry. That's it. You are getting into the pre crime and thought crime like the matrix......I'm against the form based on the constitution. You are getting states rights mixed up with the idea of laws based on precedent. It used to be based on the constitution. Now it's based on precedent. The constitution is maybe 1% of what it originally meant.......I am delayed every time I buy a gun, and I've done nothing wrong. Just because you don't mind, doesn't mean I want my rights infringed..... And since you are so willing to give up little freedoms, they all set precedent. So when you gave them the background check did they leave you alone? Please read about libertarians, you have no idea what you are even talking about.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr. PoppadopalisEugene,
I think most members here are all for some form of Gun background check, not an anal cavity search and a first born! We want less Government intrusion. Not $10.00 per background check! That's why we pay taxes, every time a politician comes out with a new law they assign a fee! We pay fees all day everyday! Our hard earned tax dollars are now paying for 20+ million illegals.

I was born here, have a valid DL, a CCW, a Passport, a job, a residence etc........I don't want to be treated like a criminal during a background check. Mohammed should!

I guess it is like the Airport TSA - An 80 year old white haired woman on Oxygen, a walker and or walking cane gets treated just like Mr. Abdullah Mohammed Raghead Bomber


As Donald Trump has said - THE PC bull Crap needs to end, not everybody finishes first and gets a Blue Ribbon!


No I don't think most members are for checks. Because they don't trust the government to do the right thing. Do you really believe they aren't putting together gun owners lists to know who to harass? They work as good as gun free zones actually. Are you for those also?
 
Eugene,

I carry 24/7 - What is a Gun Free Zone?


I did say some form of Background check, not anal cavity searches.

I could care less about anyone that knows if, what, where and when I bought a firearm.

Nobody, NOBODY is coming for them!!
 
Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]....

I am very familular with libertaranism. Where it falls apart is the selfishness of all me all the time. I want to do what i want to do. That is great for the responsible individual living on an island ALONE. But since we live in the cities and counties, a certain amount of rule in the interst of limiting Government overreach yet public saftey is in the best interst of the whole of that community. (not the greater state)The unrealized reality of libertarian idea's is that you end up with Gang rule. Why? because if you can do what you want when you want and there are no rules from the government to impeed your desires then what is to stop those that want to take advantage of you? Is it really alright to let meth heads run the streets without consequence for their actions. Should they be allowed to break into my house and steal, do you really want someone that shoots anyone that sets foot on their property.

And since you claimed i am a socialist..

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[7]

I don't buy that the government should own everything. I want them to be corporation blind, meaning that all laws and taxes apply to all equally, the rules are not set to favor one over another and like a referee should be impartial to one over the other. I want the government to do the bare min. but enough to provide for the security of the country, and the reasonable saftey of my community. I don't want the Gov telling the car company how many MPG my car should get, or what i should eat, or what health care insurance, if any i get..


 
Tbone is this so bad;

“Libertarianism is a philosophy. The basic premise of libertarianism is that each individual should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others. In the libertarian view, societies and governments infringe on individual liberties whenever they tax wealth, create penalties for victimless crimes, or otherwise attempt to control or regulate individual conduct which harms or benefits no one except the individual who engages in it.” – definition written by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, during the process of granting the Advocates for Self-Government status as a nonprofit educational organization
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZLibertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment.[1][2]....

I am very familular with libertaranism. Where it falls apart is the selfishness of all me all the time. I want to do what i want to do. That is great for the responsible individual living on an island ALONE. But since we live in the cities and counties, a certain amount of rule in the interst of limiting Government overreach yet public saftey is in the best interst of the whole of that community. (not the greater state)The unrealized reality of libertarian idea's is that you end up with Gang rule. Why? because if you can do what you want when you want and there are no rules from the government to impeed your desires then what is to stop those that want to take advantage of you? Is it really alright to let meth heads run the streets without consequence for their actions. Should they be allowed to break into my house and steal, do you really want someone that shoots anyone that sets foot on their property.

And since you claimed i am a socialist..

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[1][2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[3][4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[7]

I don't buy that the government should own everything. I want them to be corporation blind, meaning that all laws and taxes apply to all equally, the rules are not set to favor one over another and like a referee should be impartial to one over the other. I want the government to do the bare min. but enough to provide for the security of the country, and the reasonable saftey of my community. I don't want the Gov telling the car company how many MPG my car should get, or what i should eat, or what health care insurance, if any i get..





By the way I only said your specific views on gun control was nearly the same as the self proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders. That's all. Banning guns in the city is against the constitution. Your last paragraph is, get ready, a libertarian viewpoint.
 
Originally Posted By: Eugene CanterburyTbone is this so bad;

“Libertarianism is a philosophy. The basic premise of libertarianism is that each individual should be free to do as he or she pleases so long as he or she does not harm others. In the libertarian view, societies and governments infringe on individual liberties whenever they tax wealth, create penalties for victimless crimes, or otherwise attempt to control or regulate individual conduct which harms or benefits no one except the individual who engages in it.” – definition written by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, during the process of granting the Advocates for Self-Government status as a nonprofit educational organization


how very anti libertarian of you to use the IRS definition to describe Libertarians for use in their decision on how to identify the type of organization for tax status of a non-profit educational organization... lol

You don't have to be Libertarian to not like the regulatory mess we have today in the USA. Anyone can have a variety of views and still disagree, or in this case agree that electing a Socialist that wants to destroy people killing guns vs. hunting guns. is a bad idea. It's obsurd, and ignorant on so many levels. We however know what he is talking about and it's the ban on black scary guns. He can say it like a moron, but it's what they would do.
 
And that's exactly why I can't agree to anymore of these ideas. They never stop there. It's always that they want more. It's time to try something else. Everything the government has implemented has become a failure, or been abused and used against law abiding folks. I will never trust them again.
 
Definitions, regardless of who states them are next to useless. No conservative agrees with all others, nor does Dems or Libertarians. The goofy Paul family have shown just how goofy Libertarianism would play out in real life. We all are products of our upbringing and life experiences. The one thing all true conservatives agree on is less government involvement, Liberals just the opposite. Tweak and twist conservatism, add a few goofy, unworkable, unelectable ideals and you have Libertarianism.
 
That guy is a socialist/communist scumlord. Americans aren't going to turn DC around. The real battle for the USA is going to be at the local and state level.

As far as gun control goes, we will eventually end up like Australia or England if we allow the rogue globalist cabal in DC as well as the not so Americans in state and local governments to further erode the 2nd Amendment and or the Constitution. We as Americans must stand firm against any and all new gun control measures in the years to come because there is a very well funded, well organized war against the 2nd Amendment and gun owners. We've got multinational corporations and some very determined billionaires funding political campaigns as well as bribing politicians for the anti-2nd Amendment agenda to disarm as many Americans as possible who have an endless supply of $$$ to dump into their effort with almost no accountability, it is a very corrupt game.

If they can take away AR-15s and AK-47 pattern rifles they can and will eventually take away your Sako 85, your Remington 700, your Perazzi trap special and that old Winchester model 12 your grandpa left to you before he passed. Make no mistake about it they will come after those as well. We not only have a system spining wildly out of control, we also have a fed gov that is in bed with the United Nations, the United Nations wants you completely disarmed. That is not hearsay or a conspiracy theory, It is a documented Fact.

There are already thousands of laws and procedures on paper that do nothing and will never prevent criminals and insane people from obtaining firearms. Ink on paper will not stop criminals and the insane from engaging in illegal activity with firearms and or other weapons. The only thing they can do now as far as mental health is to marginalize and label more people as menatlly ill under their definitions which is the direction we are going to go as far as gun control.

If you've ever visited the doctor for something minor such as insomnia you can be labelled mentally ill/incompetent and find yourself on the prohibited list. Insomnia is classified as a mental illness. This is happening everyday in states such as Kalifornia, New York, New Jersey, and can someday find it's way onto the books in your state. Be carful what you wish for because you might end up with it.

Do you recieve a monthly social security check and have it directly deposited into your bank account? Congratulations! The government wants to say you're menatlly incompetent now and you may find yourself on the prohibited list one of these days. This is one of the proposals from barry soetoro and company. Expect narfarious, unConstitutinal, and underhanded tactics like this in the future because this is how they operate.

While this nation is in peril. You have an administration arming Americas enemies and bankrupting and destabilizing this nation of it's finances and well being.

A wide open southern border with who knows how many or who coming through everyday with loads of illegal narcotics and third world diseases

Scandal afer scandal

Executive order after executive order. I challenge everyone to go take a look at some of those executive orders. The Constitution does not delegate all that authority to one person or group folks.

fast n furious

IRS being used as a weapon to target political opposition

Between the scandals, lies, illegal activity, and disregard for the Constitutional process should be reason enough to understand that gun control is not a priority

We must protect and defend the right to own, produce, distribute, and possess the same style of firearms that infantry soldiers of the US Military utilize in combat. People must not forget that while we have a great respect for the military, there could come a time in the future on down the road someday when the military becomes corrupt and ordered against the will of the people. The founding father understood that concept and is one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment to begin with. It happens around the world everyday and we are not exempt from human nature. The 2nd Amendment isn't about having fun target shooting an hunting. Lets not forget that.

 
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If Ron Paul practiced medicine, he would be a called a quack. Rand is his son, and remembering the old saying....the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.....just saying.
 
Didnt the background checks start as a result of Regan's body guard being shot in the head and if I remember correctly, it was Brady's wife who pushed the legislation. I don't think it took effect until long after Regan was out of office. And didn't the crazy dude who shot Regan, Brady, and others purchase the gun legally even though he had a long history of being a whack job? Isn't there also history of many people getting arrested for domestic violence and when they get out of jail they run down to the local gun shop and buy a gun and then shoot the wife and usually themselves.

If a person is disabled enough that he/she can't balance a check book then wouldn't common sense say that it might not be a good idea to sell them a gun. Regardless of the persons past service record or upstanding nature, people do get old and/or sick and might just be a danger to themselves or others. Open carry is fine in the proper context and I support peoples rights, but walking into a busy shopping mall with an AR-15 strapped across your chest is irresponsible gun ownership at its finest. Just because it is legal, doesn't mean it is responsible, moral, ethical, or wise. Just sayin...

The only difference between Regan and the others is he made people proud to be an American.
 
there was nothing in hinkley's record that would have prevented him from buying a gun, regardless of BG checks.
 
I'm amazed people on here think background checks work. They work as well as gun free zones. When you don't enforce the thousands of laws already, why would you push for more? And then when you start throwing out terms line common sense laws about guns, it sounds just like Bloomberg. I guess his propaganda is getting through to a few. It's not always the laws that are the issue. It's the selective enforcement. So what sounds like a great idea in theory, when stupid cops and DA's get ahold of it, they turn them into something totally different. Until you can afford to spend a fortune in a courtroom. There are so many other things that will kill you instead of worrying about a crazy with a gun. If gun laws worked, the USA would be a utopia. Stop thinking that giving away more rights will make you safer. It just doesn't work that way. It sounds more like huffington post around here.
 
dirty little secret about the brady law:

They made it a felony with a mandatory sentence for a prohibited person to even attempt to buy a gun.

They also never had any intention of actually prosecuting people who did so.

Back in the 90's LaPierre was on TV with sarah brady and confronted her about this. We had had enough time that they had numbers of how many denials had been made & were bragging about that, that so many prohibited people had been prevented from getting guns. Wayne said that we aren't charging & prosecuting those people, do you think that they were really prevented from getting a gun? that simply turning them away from the counter meant that they wouldn't go somewhere else & get one?

And she replied that yes, that was how she saw it. No need to enforce the law, just prevent the retail sale & all is good.
 
Sir I wasn't saying it to disrespect you. I'm saying it because look where being nice and giving in has gotten us. I just don't trust the government to do the right thing. I meant no disrespect, and I realize it's hard to portray conversations in writing, without seeing body language. I just can't believe when people think the government is out to help us. It's always about control. And to hear a good man like yourself say you have nothing to hide, I get concerned. Because you forget who is deciding what is nefarious and what is not. Cops can pin anything on you if they have a hardon for you. Sure you can win in court, but you may have to sell everything you own. How do you feel about giving up your gun rights because you are on ssdi? I consider background check gov. intrusion. They don't stop crime, and they don't prosecute the criminals trying to get over. So please tell me what they are really accomplishing?
 
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