Semi-Auto loaders will be history

Yeah nobody on here is saying they don't support AR type weapons, that's absurd. But they will come under close scrutiny because of these types of events and would be the among first to be banned if it ever happened.
 
I agree dogslayer I am in no way, shape or form in favor of any type of gun control. These incidents will not only give the people who are in favor of gun control more ammo, but more importantly the people who are in the middle of the gun control debate a strong reason to want some gun control. We all use the analogies, cars kill people should they be banned. If it was only that easy.

Gabe
 
Remember they don't need to "take" our guns. They can super-tax them, "register" them, over-tax ammo, etc. It's like capturing an artillery position - great if you can take the piece with you, but if not, just spike the gun.

All they need to do is "spike" our guns with taxation or regulation.

I agree the shootings don't compute with bans - but anti-gunners see them as computing. I agree, therefore, that we need to beware. We should be talking to our elected officials NOW to circumvent any anti-gun movements.
 
i know its bad that some nut did this but i think the media is picking these stories out more and are trying to get them banned with theses
 
There should be more news coverage to tell every disturbed person who wants attention exactly how to do it.

I don't think there is a detail left out of any of these tragedies. They show the same things on all the channels all day. If you don't know how to do it the news gives you more ideas.

I explained the gun show loophole to my wife tonight. It wasn't what she thought it was about. Liberals make it sound like there are never any background checks at the shows.

Harry R. Sole
 
Guys, remember: The Democrat Party's platform calls for another "assault weapon" ban and for closing the so-called "gun show loophole".

Simply put, a vote for the Democrats is a vote against gun ownership and hunting freedoms.

The Democrats do not consider gun ownership a basic Constitutional right, as clearly specified in the 2d Amendment, but instead merely an American cultural "tradition." Big difference.
 
I am not so sure I am completely against all gun laws. One thing that might help would be to have all gun transfers go through a Dealer with a set maximum fee that could be charged for two private persons transferring a gun. This Dealer would have to do a Criminal History check as well as verify Citizenship. The Mental Health issues could never be checked unless there was a way to check for mood altering drugs. Here you can add at least $50.00 to $100.00 to the price of a gun by selling it in the paper because no check is done. What really bothers me is these folks that are from other countries here in the US causing problems with guns. Last night the guy in the plane should have been shot down. If that had been me my butt I would be pushing up Daisies right now.

Anybody see problems with a law like that?
 
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I am not so sure I am completely against all gun laws. One thing that might help would be to have all gun transfers go through a Dealer with a set maximum fee that could be charged for two private persons transferring a gun. This Dealer would have to do a Criminal History check as well as verify Citizenship. The Mental Health issues could never be checked unless there was a way to check for mood altering drugs. Here you can add at least $50.00 to $100.00 to the price of a gun by selling it in the paper because no check is done. What really bothers me is these folks that are from other countries here in the US causing problems with guns. Last night the guy in the plane should have been shot down. If that had been me my butt I would be pushing up Daisies right now.

Anybody see problems with a law like that?



Gun laws don't do squat, except encumber law abiding
citizens from procuring the firearms of their choice.
A nut job, or a criminal, doesn't care about
gun laws. They will steal what they need for their
evil deeds. If they can't get a gun, it will be a car,
an axe, a sword, or a beer bottle full of gasoline.
We need to require, by law, that every able bodied
citizen get firearms, and self-defense, training.
Then when the nut jobs, or the criminals, start dropping
as soon as they attempt to do evil, and we can get the
corrupt news media to honestly report these events,
this problem goes away. Of course then we may focus
on corrupt politicians, and that is the real reason
for gun laws...Not to protect citizens, but to protect
corrupt governments.

Squeeze
 
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9 police killed and 12 people in one week. All shot with auto loader rifles or pistols. Not good for us sportsmen. I see a ban on Ar15,Sks and Ak47 comming soon.



I agree. These weapons will come under the sharpest of scrutiny soon. Looking like a ban coming. Glad I bought the Mark V bolt action over the AR now.



you better be concerned about all legal firearms and not "glad" about YOUR purchase, it won't be long after they have their foot in the door that all firearms will be treated the same. If people aren't members of the NRA, The Heritage Foundation or don't bother to vote out these Liberal Socialist pigs then you can look in the mirror to see who is to blame when they enact legislature like the so-called Assault Rifle ban during the Clinton era. Hitlery is already spreading false facts about the sources of the guns aiding the dirt balls in Mexico. I will blame any gun owner whose head is in the sand and not educated about what is actually going on in this country, we have the Constitutional right to stop it. Buy ammo and guns NOW. Here is my standing ovation /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Anyone who voted for these idiots is free to debate any of these topics right here and now, I hope I am preaching to the choir.
 
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I am not so sure I am completely against all gun laws. One thing that might help would be to have all gun transfers go through a Dealer with a set maximum fee that could be charged for two private persons transferring a gun. This Dealer would have to do a Criminal History check as well as verify Citizenship. The Mental Health issues could never be checked unless there was a way to check for mood altering drugs. Here you can add at least $50.00 to $100.00 to the price of a gun by selling it in the paper because no check is done. What really bothers me is these folks that are from other countries here in the US causing problems with guns. Last night the guy in the plane should have been shot down. If that had been me my butt I would be pushing up Daisies right now.

Anybody see problems with a law like that?



NY has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, especially hand guns. I am currently going through the pistol permit process so I can speak from some experience. In order to get a hand gun in this state you have to be finger printed 4 times, go through 2 background checks, a mental health check at the state level, in my county you need 4 references willing to sign for your good name that have to live in the same county, you WILL be interviewed, as well as your references, and at any point in this process the authorities have any doubt about your moral stature, they can (and probably will) deny your permit. Even then, we are severly restricted in WHERE we can carry in NY.

With that said, we have had 2 major NY shootings in the last 2 months by individuals that had completed the permit process and were granted the "privilege" of carrying concealed in NY.

I guess my point is that gun laws, in my mind, do nothing other than disarm law abiding citizens and leave them open to criminal actions of the non-law abiding portion of the population.
 
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We need to have concealed carry permits relaxed in the places these killing are going on.



Agree 100%. It's not hard for a BG to look up where and where not a CCW holder can carry.
 
Shades of ZUMBO !!!!! More good citizens were killed by illegal mexicans in the US last week with drunkeness and junk cars than those few people certain idiots killed with guns. More of our dope users died last week from overdoses than were killed. The libtards want open borders and more illegals, AND, dope to be legal. They don't give a damm about those gun-murdered people, nothing but abolishing gun rights

We are a nation of 330 MILLIONS. Should laws restrict us like britain all because there are wackos who murder in our midsts?

Go look at the Smithsonian Magazine last month where one story writer says "People in the west will just have to accept wolves killing cattle, so that wolves can roam free" (my paraphrase). Well, by GOSH, liberals will just have to accept some of the evil in our population so that we all can be free.
 
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Let's All Surrender Our Weapons -- You First!
by Ann Coulter
04/08/2009
The rash of recent shooting incidents has led people who wouldn't know an AK-47 from a paintball gun to issue demands for more restrictions on guns. To be sure, it's hard to find any factor in these shootings that could be responsible -- other than the gun.

So far, this year's public multiple shootings were committed by:

-- Richard Poplawski, 23, product of a broken family, expelled from high school and dishonorably discharged from the Marines, who killed three policemen in Pittsburgh.


-- Former crack addict Jiverly Wong, 41, who told co-workers "America sucks" yet somehow was not offered a job as a speechwriter for Barack Obama, who blockaded his victims in a civic center in Binghamton, N.Y., and shot as many people as he could, before killing himself.

-- Robert Stewart, 45, a three-time divorcee and high school dropout with "violent tendencies" -- according to one of his ex-wives -- who shot up the nursing home in Carthage, N.C., where his newly estranged wife worked.

-- Lovelle Mixon, 26, a paroled felon, struggling to get his life back on track by pimping, who shot four cops in Oakland, Calif. -- before eventually being shot himself.

-- Twenty-eight-year-old Michael McLendon, child of divorce, living with his mother and boycotting family funerals because he hated his relatives, who killed 10 of those relatives and their neighbors in Samson, Ala.

It might make more sense to outlaw men than guns. Or divorce. Or crack. Or to prohibit felons from having guns. Except we already outlaw crack and felons owning guns and yet still, somehow, Wong got crack and Mixon got a gun.

After being pulled over for a routine traffic violation, Lovelle Mixon did exactly what they teach in driver's ed by immediately shooting four cops. Mixon's supporters held a posthumous rally in his honor, claiming he shot the cops only in "self-defense," which I take it includes the cop Mixon shot while the officer was lying on the ground.

I guess Mixon also raped that 12-year-old girl in "self-defense." Clearly, the pimping industry has lost a good man. I wish I'd known him. I tip my green velvet fedora with the dollar signs all over it to him. Why do the good ones always die young? Pimps, I mean.

Liberals tolerate rallies on behalf of cop-killers, but they prohibit law-abiding citizens working at community centers in Binghamton, N.Y., from being armed to defend themselves from disturbed, crack-addicted America-haters like Jiverly Wong.

It's something in liberals' DNA: They think they can pass a law eliminating guns and nuclear weapons, but teenagers having sex is completely beyond our control.

The demand for more gun control in response to any crime involving a gun is exactly like Obama's response to North Korea's openly belligerent act of launching a long-range missile this week: Obama leapt to action by calling for worldwide nuclear disarmament.

If the SAT test were used to determine how stupid a liberal is, one question would be: "The best defense against lawless rogues who possess _______ is for law-abiding individuals to surrender their own _______________."

Correct answer: Guns. We would also have accepted nuclear weapons.

Obama explained that "the United States has a moral responsibility" to lead disarmament efforts because America is "the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon."

So don't go feeling all morally superior to a country whose business model consists of exporting heroin, nuclear bombs and counterfeit U.S. dollars, and of importing Swedish prostitutes, you yahoo Americans with your little flag lapel pins.

On the other hand, the Japanese haven't acted up much in the last, say, 64 years ...

Fortunately, our sailors didn't wait around for Obama to save them when Somali pirates boarded their ship this week. Stop right now or I'll ask the U.N. to remind the "international community" that "the U.S. is not at war with Somali pirates."

Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate.

Police -- whom I gather liberals intend to continue having guns -- and intrepid U.N. resolution drafters can't be everywhere, all the time.

If a single civilian in that Binghamton community center had been armed, instead of 14 dead, there might have only been one or two -- including the shooter. In the end, the cops didn't stop Wong. His killing spree ended only when he decided to stop, and he killed himself.

"The shooter will eventually run out of ammo" strategy may not be the best one for stopping deranged multiple murderers.

But it's highly unlikely that any community center in the entire state would be safe from a disturbed former crack-addict like Wong because New York's restrictive gun laws require a citizen to prove he has a need for a gun to obtain a concealed carry permit.

Instead of having Planned Parenthood distribute condoms in schools, they ought get the NRA to pass out revolvers. It would save more lives.
 
They plan on making all semi's the same as NFA firearms.. fingerprints, photo,sheriff signature and a Tax. We better get ready to fight like we never have before.
 
Historicaly every time there is a bad time, like now, crime goes up, violence goes up. Be sort of weird if it didnt. We are already stressed, throw in a bit more and what happens?

Tell me honestly, have you found your self a bit less patient? a little quicker on the trigger? I think I am, and I am not hurt yet by the economics.

Carl
 
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Historicaly every time there is a bad time, like now, crime goes up, violence goes up. Be sort of weird if it didnt. We are already stressed, throw in a bit more and what happens?

Tell me honestly, have you found your self a bit less patient? a little quicker on the trigger? I think I am, and I am not hurt yet by the economics.

Carl



I dunno. If that were true then we'd have had much worse crime back during earlier periods of economic stress--REALLY tough times like the Panics of 1876, 1893 and The Great Depression. Today's perceived 'tough times' aren't even yet as bad as Jimmy Carter's late 1970s. People just have short memories I guess.

No, our crime problems got worse because of the social meltdown and abandonment of traditional values that began in the 1960s and has continued its downward slide over the last ~40 years.
 
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