Remington May Leave Ilion New York after almost 200 years
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CatShooter
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Originally Posted By: roky0702I thought I read that they received like a $85 million contract for sniper rifles in exchange for staying in New York???
New York State does not award contracts for sniper rifles... what you heard was typical internet BS that originated from some paranoid-conspiracy imagination.
New York State does not award contracts for sniper rifles... what you heard was typical internet BS that originated from some paranoid-conspiracy imagination.
Greg_Meyer
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Originally Posted By: roky0702Good to hear. Now I feel better about buying a Rem 700 AAC-SD despite what I read. That will be a huge win for us gun folks if Remington moves!
I disagree... Not a big win, instead a sad day. If a 200 year old company can be driven from their home of that duration.... what has this country become? Making good quality American made firearms used to be a point of pride for several New England states. Now they are only a footnote and driven out.
I disagree... Not a big win, instead a sad day. If a 200 year old company can be driven from their home of that duration.... what has this country become? Making good quality American made firearms used to be a point of pride for several New England states. Now they are only a footnote and driven out.
Rocky1
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The Latest... And, Remington is not by themselves!!
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-sho...plant-tennessee
Quote:August 26, 2013
Remington Considers Moving Manufacturing Plant to Tennessee
by John B. Snow
Remington Arms, which has manufactured firearms in upstate New York for more than 150 years, is looking at sites around Nashville, Tenn., for a potential corporate relocation or expansion that would likely include hundreds of manufacturing jobs.
The Madison, N.C.-based company, which is part of the nation’s largest firearms corporation, has recently scouted sites near in Lebanon, Clarksville, and around Nashville’s airport, according to the Tennessean newspaper.
Remington’s roughly 1,200-employee plant in Ilion makes rifles such as the Bushmaster semiautomatic weapon, which is now banned under New York’s Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act, the first law passed by any state following the December school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
Remington is among firearms manufacturers currently based in states where increasingly restrictive gun control laws are making their products illegal to possess. Gun-friendly states, especially Texas, are aggressively recruiting weapons makers -- and their high-wage jobs -- to move to their states.
New York's hastily-adopted and often-amended SAFE Act will, essentially, destroy New York's firearms industry, the family-wage jobs it generates and the towns that rely on them.
Towns like Ilion, N.Y.
"Ilion, New York, is Remington -- if it wasn’t for Remington, Ilion wouldn’t exist,” Erin Crowe of the Mohawk Valley Chamber of Commerce in Utica, N.Y., told the Rochester Democrat-Chronicle. “There’s not a lot of new industries coming to central New York, so if you take a huge company like that and they leave, our unemployment rate is going to skyrocket.”
Remington also has plants in Lonoke, Ark. (a five-hour drive from Nashville), and in Mayfield, Ky. (a two-hour drive from Nashville). It has a technical and research center in Elizabethtown, Ky., which is also about two hours from Nashville. The company also has distribution operations in Memphis managed by a third-party company.
If Remington chooses to relocate operations from New York, it would add to the list of companies doing or planning to do so in part to protest stricter gun laws.
More Companies on the Move:
- PTR Industries of Bristol, Conn., confirmed on June 19 that is moving to Aynor, S.C., near Myrtle Beach. PTR will maintain an investment of $8 million and at least 145 employees, paid an average of $19.39 an hour, by December 2016 to benefit from a lease agreement it signed with Horry County, S.C.
- Stag Arms, which employs more than 200 people in New Britain, Conn., has announced that it will not leave Connecticut -- for now -- but is looking to expand elsewhere, primarily South Carolina and Texas. “We had planned on growing in Connecticut and creating jobs here but with the uncertainty of the government, it’s difficult to do that,” Stag Arms President Mark Malkowski told the New Britain Herald on July 1. "We’re going to see how we do in another area. Then I’ll make a decision on whether we’ll move from Connecticut at a later date.”
- Kahr Arms of Rockland County, N.Y. announced following the adoption of New York's SAFE Act that it would be moving some of its operations to Pennsylvania. Kahr had been considering building a new plant, with 80-100 additional jobs, in Orange County, N.Y. When asked about the move by the Wall Street Journal, Kahr Vice President of Sales and Marketing Frank Harris said of New York, “We don’t feel welcome.”
- HiViz Shooting Systems of Fort Collins, Colo., announced in mid-June that it is moving to Laramie, Wyo., in 2014 to escape Colorado's newly imposed gun restrictions, including a 15-bullet magazine limit. HiViz sells 130 products in 30 countries. By 2024, HiViz plans to create 56 direct and indirect jobs, $21.3 million in payroll from those direct and indirect jobs, provide $858,000 in local tax revenue, $303,000 in state tax revenue, and support 43 households in Laramie.
- Magpul Industries Corp. announced in February that it would move from Boulder, Colo., to a more gun-friendly state, although has not yet named what state it will move to. Magpul directly employs 200 people in addition to 400 who work for suppliers and contractors. The company says it spends $85 million a year in payments to local suppliers and other companies.
- Shield Tactical, a firearms accessory manufacturer and training company, announced in June it would move its manufacturing plant from California to Shiner, Texas. The company said it would leave its training division in California "until the legislature outlaws everything."
- Beretta USA, the Italian gun maker's American subsidiary, is threatening to move its operations from Maryland, where payed a projected $31 million in taxes from 1997 to 2014. The threat to move comes after Maryland's Legislature adopted a semi-automatic weapons ban that makes several of Beretta's products illegal. Among those newly illegal products: The 600,000 M9s that Baretta's Maryland plant manufactures for the Defense Department as the U.S. military’s standard-issue sidearm.
- Sturm, Ruger & Co. of Southport, Conn., which employs more than 2,000 people in two plants in Newport, N.H., and Prescott, Ariz., announced in late July that it would open a new plant that would employ more than 470 workers in Rockingham County, N.C., rather than in Connecticut.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-sho...plant-tennessee
Quote:August 26, 2013
Remington Considers Moving Manufacturing Plant to Tennessee
by John B. Snow
Remington Arms, which has manufactured firearms in upstate New York for more than 150 years, is looking at sites around Nashville, Tenn., for a potential corporate relocation or expansion that would likely include hundreds of manufacturing jobs.
The Madison, N.C.-based company, which is part of the nation’s largest firearms corporation, has recently scouted sites near in Lebanon, Clarksville, and around Nashville’s airport, according to the Tennessean newspaper.
Remington’s roughly 1,200-employee plant in Ilion makes rifles such as the Bushmaster semiautomatic weapon, which is now banned under New York’s Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act, the first law passed by any state following the December school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
Remington is among firearms manufacturers currently based in states where increasingly restrictive gun control laws are making their products illegal to possess. Gun-friendly states, especially Texas, are aggressively recruiting weapons makers -- and their high-wage jobs -- to move to their states.
New York's hastily-adopted and often-amended SAFE Act will, essentially, destroy New York's firearms industry, the family-wage jobs it generates and the towns that rely on them.
Towns like Ilion, N.Y.
"Ilion, New York, is Remington -- if it wasn’t for Remington, Ilion wouldn’t exist,” Erin Crowe of the Mohawk Valley Chamber of Commerce in Utica, N.Y., told the Rochester Democrat-Chronicle. “There’s not a lot of new industries coming to central New York, so if you take a huge company like that and they leave, our unemployment rate is going to skyrocket.”
Remington also has plants in Lonoke, Ark. (a five-hour drive from Nashville), and in Mayfield, Ky. (a two-hour drive from Nashville). It has a technical and research center in Elizabethtown, Ky., which is also about two hours from Nashville. The company also has distribution operations in Memphis managed by a third-party company.
If Remington chooses to relocate operations from New York, it would add to the list of companies doing or planning to do so in part to protest stricter gun laws.
More Companies on the Move:
- PTR Industries of Bristol, Conn., confirmed on June 19 that is moving to Aynor, S.C., near Myrtle Beach. PTR will maintain an investment of $8 million and at least 145 employees, paid an average of $19.39 an hour, by December 2016 to benefit from a lease agreement it signed with Horry County, S.C.
- Stag Arms, which employs more than 200 people in New Britain, Conn., has announced that it will not leave Connecticut -- for now -- but is looking to expand elsewhere, primarily South Carolina and Texas. “We had planned on growing in Connecticut and creating jobs here but with the uncertainty of the government, it’s difficult to do that,” Stag Arms President Mark Malkowski told the New Britain Herald on July 1. "We’re going to see how we do in another area. Then I’ll make a decision on whether we’ll move from Connecticut at a later date.”
- Kahr Arms of Rockland County, N.Y. announced following the adoption of New York's SAFE Act that it would be moving some of its operations to Pennsylvania. Kahr had been considering building a new plant, with 80-100 additional jobs, in Orange County, N.Y. When asked about the move by the Wall Street Journal, Kahr Vice President of Sales and Marketing Frank Harris said of New York, “We don’t feel welcome.”
- HiViz Shooting Systems of Fort Collins, Colo., announced in mid-June that it is moving to Laramie, Wyo., in 2014 to escape Colorado's newly imposed gun restrictions, including a 15-bullet magazine limit. HiViz sells 130 products in 30 countries. By 2024, HiViz plans to create 56 direct and indirect jobs, $21.3 million in payroll from those direct and indirect jobs, provide $858,000 in local tax revenue, $303,000 in state tax revenue, and support 43 households in Laramie.
- Magpul Industries Corp. announced in February that it would move from Boulder, Colo., to a more gun-friendly state, although has not yet named what state it will move to. Magpul directly employs 200 people in addition to 400 who work for suppliers and contractors. The company says it spends $85 million a year in payments to local suppliers and other companies.
- Shield Tactical, a firearms accessory manufacturer and training company, announced in June it would move its manufacturing plant from California to Shiner, Texas. The company said it would leave its training division in California "until the legislature outlaws everything."
- Beretta USA, the Italian gun maker's American subsidiary, is threatening to move its operations from Maryland, where payed a projected $31 million in taxes from 1997 to 2014. The threat to move comes after Maryland's Legislature adopted a semi-automatic weapons ban that makes several of Beretta's products illegal. Among those newly illegal products: The 600,000 M9s that Baretta's Maryland plant manufactures for the Defense Department as the U.S. military’s standard-issue sidearm.
- Sturm, Ruger & Co. of Southport, Conn., which employs more than 2,000 people in two plants in Newport, N.H., and Prescott, Ariz., announced in late July that it would open a new plant that would employ more than 470 workers in Rockingham County, N.C., rather than in Connecticut.
Orneryolfart357
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Good for them! Although by leaving it may appear as weakness, in reality it shows the American spirit is still alive. Duck the Femocrats.
Rocky1
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I don't know that it really looks like a sign of weakness olfart. When they pull out they do tons of economic damage to the communities, and the state, wherein they prove a point.
You not only suffer a direct loss of jobs and incomes to plant employees, you lose indirect jobs and incomes throughout the community. You lose members of the community, you flood the market with homes and crash the real estate market, the bank's will be left holding the mortgages on many of those homes, so you hurt the local banking industry. You take the industry, the income, and the homes all out of the tax rolls. It can be, VERY UGLY!!
And, when it gets that way, those responsible find very little sympathy in those and surrounding communities. Whomever they may be! And, if they may be elected officials, their time in office may be cut abruptly short.
You not only suffer a direct loss of jobs and incomes to plant employees, you lose indirect jobs and incomes throughout the community. You lose members of the community, you flood the market with homes and crash the real estate market, the bank's will be left holding the mortgages on many of those homes, so you hurt the local banking industry. You take the industry, the income, and the homes all out of the tax rolls. It can be, VERY UGLY!!
And, when it gets that way, those responsible find very little sympathy in those and surrounding communities. Whomever they may be! And, if they may be elected officials, their time in office may be cut abruptly short.
joed
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Originally Posted By: Rocky1 You take the industry, the income, and the homes all out of the tax rolls. It can be, VERY UGLY!!
And, when it gets that way, those responsible find very little sympathy in those and surrounding communities. Whomever they may be! And, if they may be elected officials, their time in office may be cut abruptly short.
And that would send a message that should not be ignored.
And, when it gets that way, those responsible find very little sympathy in those and surrounding communities. Whomever they may be! And, if they may be elected officials, their time in office may be cut abruptly short.
And that would send a message that should not be ignored.
Sadly, all too many liberals, often from CA who find it too expensive to remain there, move to other states and bring their pernicious, absurd and offensive ideologies with them to infect where ever they take up residence.
Of course, the liberal newspapers are delighted with the influx of brain dead supporters. Don
Of course, the liberal newspapers are delighted with the influx of brain dead supporters. Don
Originally Posted By: Greg_Meyer I disagree... Not a big win, instead a sad day. If a 200 year old company can be driven from their home of that duration.... what has this country become? Making good quality American made firearms used to be a point of pride for several New England states. Now they are only a footnote and driven out.
That is true. I'm just glad they have the balls to uproot their company and move in support of us gun owners.
That is true. I'm just glad they have the balls to uproot their company and move in support of us gun owners.
OldTurtle
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I have to agree with Greg on it being a sad state of affairs for so called 'Icon' companies that have been industry leaders to feel that they must uproot and relocate to more politically friendly environments...
Hopefully, where they decide to locate will be a boon to the locale, as well as their employees that choose to go with them...Tennesse, Kentucky, and Texas have a long history of being 'firearm friendly'....
Hopefully, where they decide to locate will be a boon to the locale, as well as their employees that choose to go with them...Tennesse, Kentucky, and Texas have a long history of being 'firearm friendly'....
old_sparky
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Its another pretty sad day for America. I remember not too long ago when U.S was the largest Copper producer smelters thru out Arizona. General Electric, Westinghouse, Allis Chalmers made the finest High voltage transformers. Now not one transmission class transformer is made in the U.S Ford Chevy were quality automobiles with all parts made in America and no metric bolts. During WWII ships were built in a week. Won't rant on here but all of these have gone or changed because of our governments regulations. And I don't think we can recover! Heck I cant even buy a 22 long rifle cartridge.
Originally Posted By: DonDSadly, all too many liberals, often from CA who find it too expensive to remain there, move to other states and bring their pernicious, absurd and offensive ideologies with them to infect where ever they take up residence.
Of course, the liberal newspapers are delighted with the influx of brain dead supporters. Don
Well stated! And agreed, but they come not just from CA.
Of course, the liberal newspapers are delighted with the influx of brain dead supporters. Don
Well stated! And agreed, but they come not just from CA.
Originally Posted By: ARCOREYHopefully they move to where ever their QC department went years ago
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So true! I have been a Remington man all of my life until the last 4-5 years. I dare say I will never own another new one without them restructuring the QC, but would jump on deals on any 70's-80's models.
So true! I have been a Remington man all of my life until the last 4-5 years. I dare say I will never own another new one without them restructuring the QC, but would jump on deals on any 70's-80's models.
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