I had a coyote hold up on me 2 days ago at about 200 yards. I was just getting ready to squeeze off when the coyote looked back over his shoulder. I fully expected another coyote to show up. The wind was blowing to the S/SE and this coyote was S/SW. About that time the wind switched to the S/SW and goodbye coyote. All I could do was cuss at the "downwind boys". LOL! Just when I start to question myself, reality slaps me in the face again. - Wiley E (former post)
I was out calling yesterday and went to a good stand that I have called coyotes in before.The only problem was that the wind was blowing in my face.I thought "what the hell,I will call with the wind in my face for a change".Well about 7 minutes into the stand I hear a noise behind me and I look back and Mr. Coyoteee in standing 30 feet behind me, well needless to say by the time I got turned around all I was able to get was a running shot.And yes I missed.So that is why I like to call with the wind at my back.Alot of the coyotes that I've called in, like to get down wind so I like to be ready.LOL!I know there are certain times you have to call with the wind in your face but 95% of the time I like it on my back.I promise I am not trying to open a can of worms just my experience and opinion.LOL - Utah Caller
Utah, Actually I do not consider this topic a can of worms but rather a vast learning experience. That former discussion was one of the most rewarding discussions for me that I personally have ever been engaged in. Too bad that it get's personal and pride gets in the way as I really believe there is a lot to learn on the subject.
First, I had to get past the notion that those who called "with the wind" were not off their rocker. LOL! Thanks to objective posts like yours and others, I reached that point. By the time we were done, I conceded that there are situations where "calling with the wind" may be more favorable. I truly recognize many of those situations. I have argued the logistics of calling "with the wind" (in certain situations) to many who still think it is a crazy idea. It all comes down to the variables one is presented in their particular area.
My continued disappointment on the subject comes from the lack of acknowledgement by the "with the wind" fans towards situations that are more favorable to calling "against the wind". There is 0 doubt in my mind as to the disastrous results of calling "with the wind" in this open country. I have been at this a long, long time and have many friends that have been too. When the wind changes directions, the results are the same FOR ME IN THIS OPEN COUNTRY!
Let's examine the situation you mention above and contrast it with the situation that I mentioned above. Let's also assume that each senerio has happened to each of us many times. Let's analyze the variables between the area you call and the area I call and teach a lot of others during the process.
Based on what you described above, I am guessing that you are calling in heavier cover where coyotes can show up in just about any direction. Correct me if I am wrong! With that cover readily available, I fully realize that coyotes will use it to their advantage and circle downwind to see what is there if they can. Another thing that comes to mind is that if a coyote has concealment that will hide him while he is circling, he is also less apt to leave the country after the slightest wisp of human odor. Higher coyote populations in areas where human odor is a normal part of daily coyote activity areas also creates more tolerance of human odor in certain areas.
Based on that, you have two distinct differences right there.
#1 A coyote security blanket in the form of concealment
#2 Less concern for human odor in areas of heavy cover and human frequency.
Now let's contrast that to more open country. In this area, you walk towards the coyote habitat. You are not surrounded by it. They rarely approach from behind you as you usually walk through open country. They do not have the cover to conveniently circle downwind of you. You would see them if they did. Not having that "security blanket" of cover, they will quickly air out at the slightest hint of human odor and many times it's out of gun range.
Now, I am quite sure about the habitat differences but you can correct me on the human odor frequency. I am convinced that these southern coyotes have adapted to their habitat a little differently. I have called a lot of coyotes in Wyoming during the National contest and found the results very similar. I will also say that in taller sage, I may have had coyotes circle downwind and never knew they were there.
That's why this topic intrigues me so much. I know that anyone will be more successful if they sort out the variables that are different from one area to another. Once they know the differences, they can sort out which technique (with the wind or against the wind) will make them more successful in those given circumstances.
Take it from there Utah and thank you for your objectivity and for standing your ground on the issue! That's how "hard heads" like me learn. LOL!
Hern, I do not use gloves either but I would in heavier cover. In the open country that I call, I can use them to help me stop coyotes in rifle range. By the time they are concerned with my moving hands, they are usually within gun range. I bet you have to chuckle to yourself about the coyote behavioral differences betweeen areas whether it's calling or trapping. Both camps have those who are entrenched. Cheers! Wiley E
[This message has been edited by Wiley E (edited 05-17-2001).]