Very interesting..
I was hoping that it would get people to think about this.
Let me say that First, I don't want to take away anyones permissions. My tag pool for Elk is different than the rest. So, I already have a tag. I also know other people that want to hunt that have gone a decade without getting drawn for a tag. Then i go out hunting, and see people out there that are for a lack of a better way to explain it, dangerous.
Dimensia has been kicking in over the years.
I would think that as long as you have someone with you that can handle, or suppervise as i do for my kids, that is different than someone that is out there alone or with someone else that is also unable to help.
I was also refering to "help" as taking the shot for others. Not just gutting them. But, Every year, while hunting, I get more than 10 other hunters that ask me to "help" them fill their tags. While my heart feels for them, and wish that i could help them, and understand that they are doing this for food (mostly for them) I don't do that since i think that it's unethical, and also illegal.
I know a lot of Seniors that are anything but senior. very active and it's great to see them gettting out and enjoying the outdoors. Its great.
I was just talking about those that are at the point in their lives when they are not capable of getting around, can't really shoot, and in the example I am talking about, a few years ago he did shoot an elk, it was a blood bath, he had shot this elk from under 100yrds and hit it in the neck, knee, gut, upper rear leg, and a few other holes. He litteraly took 7 shots to get it done. There were holes all over and i kept pulling lead out of the elk as i was skinning and gutting.
That, i feel, is someone that isn't safe, and ethical.
I would think that he could handle turkey hunting as he is using a shotgun and could carry that out. AZ does have diability tags and senior hunts, but think that, just like my kids having to take hunters Education, you have the expectation that you follow and comply with the rules and laws they teach and after reciently reading through the manual and reviewing the training that my daughter is about to take to get her Hunters Ed card, made me think of these Seniors and ask myself, if they couldn't pass the fire arms profiecency part of hunters ED, should they be out there using a TAG?
AZ has a wierd thing with the tags and there are a lot of hunters that go years without getting a tag, and then when you look at the success rates and hear "rumors" of people putting in that don't hunt to limit the tags to actual hunters, you start to try and think of a better way to do this.
Would i think it's to much to show up with an appropriate rifle to chech zero and shoot and prove that i can hit a 10" circle at 100 yrds, no. I don't that is asking alot. Do I think that its outragous to have someone talk to the individual for a second to make sure you are not dealing with someone that is a nut case or feable. nope. I don't.
As for the wounded warriors.. I am one, but take the responsibility and privilage of hunting seriously, and don't put in for tags that i know i can't fill, or at the very least really put in a good effort to do so. I feel that if i did do that i would be taking a tag from someone that really could get out there and do it.
Again.. It's just a thought. and before you get mad at me for suggesting it. Think about how you would feel walking in the woods knowing that someone that shakes like a leaf, has bad eye sight, can barely hold his rifle up, and uses a walker to walk to a water hole, is out there, and shooting at Elk in the same area you are. One of them is using his military issue Korean war service rifle with iron sights.
I just try very hard to stay away from them, and where they are. I don't want to be out there, and they make a mistake that sends lead my way.
I was hoping that it would get people to think about this.
Let me say that First, I don't want to take away anyones permissions. My tag pool for Elk is different than the rest. So, I already have a tag. I also know other people that want to hunt that have gone a decade without getting drawn for a tag. Then i go out hunting, and see people out there that are for a lack of a better way to explain it, dangerous.
Dimensia has been kicking in over the years.
I would think that as long as you have someone with you that can handle, or suppervise as i do for my kids, that is different than someone that is out there alone or with someone else that is also unable to help.
I was also refering to "help" as taking the shot for others. Not just gutting them. But, Every year, while hunting, I get more than 10 other hunters that ask me to "help" them fill their tags. While my heart feels for them, and wish that i could help them, and understand that they are doing this for food (mostly for them) I don't do that since i think that it's unethical, and also illegal.
I know a lot of Seniors that are anything but senior. very active and it's great to see them gettting out and enjoying the outdoors. Its great.
I was just talking about those that are at the point in their lives when they are not capable of getting around, can't really shoot, and in the example I am talking about, a few years ago he did shoot an elk, it was a blood bath, he had shot this elk from under 100yrds and hit it in the neck, knee, gut, upper rear leg, and a few other holes. He litteraly took 7 shots to get it done. There were holes all over and i kept pulling lead out of the elk as i was skinning and gutting.
That, i feel, is someone that isn't safe, and ethical.
I would think that he could handle turkey hunting as he is using a shotgun and could carry that out. AZ does have diability tags and senior hunts, but think that, just like my kids having to take hunters Education, you have the expectation that you follow and comply with the rules and laws they teach and after reciently reading through the manual and reviewing the training that my daughter is about to take to get her Hunters Ed card, made me think of these Seniors and ask myself, if they couldn't pass the fire arms profiecency part of hunters ED, should they be out there using a TAG?
AZ has a wierd thing with the tags and there are a lot of hunters that go years without getting a tag, and then when you look at the success rates and hear "rumors" of people putting in that don't hunt to limit the tags to actual hunters, you start to try and think of a better way to do this.
Would i think it's to much to show up with an appropriate rifle to chech zero and shoot and prove that i can hit a 10" circle at 100 yrds, no. I don't that is asking alot. Do I think that its outragous to have someone talk to the individual for a second to make sure you are not dealing with someone that is a nut case or feable. nope. I don't.
As for the wounded warriors.. I am one, but take the responsibility and privilage of hunting seriously, and don't put in for tags that i know i can't fill, or at the very least really put in a good effort to do so. I feel that if i did do that i would be taking a tag from someone that really could get out there and do it.
Again.. It's just a thought. and before you get mad at me for suggesting it. Think about how you would feel walking in the woods knowing that someone that shakes like a leaf, has bad eye sight, can barely hold his rifle up, and uses a walker to walk to a water hole, is out there, and shooting at Elk in the same area you are. One of them is using his military issue Korean war service rifle with iron sights.
I just try very hard to stay away from them, and where they are. I don't want to be out there, and they make a mistake that sends lead my way.