Is Sarah Palin a "kool-aid" drinker?

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It seems Sarah Palin, which i know most of you adore(nothing wrong with that), seems to have a soft spot for ol' Dr Paul. Does this make her a tin-foil hat, kool-aid drinking wierdo?

"Palin calls controversial Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul “cool.” “He’s a good guy,” she added. “He’s so independent. He’s independent of the party machine. I’m like, ‘Right on, so am I."

Paul's opinion on her statements and his opinions on Mr. McCain and Obama.


 
If so, she and I are drinking the same kool aide. I voted for RP in our primaries. Not that I knew he had a chance, but more of a wake up call vote.

RP has a lot of ideas that I like and a lot of ideas that I think are a little off kilter. However, one thing I do think is that he truely cares for America. I can't say that for anyone in the Democrat camp and many in the Republican camp.

However, I think RP has a presentation problem. It could be that all I get to see is the crappy stuff, but he sometimes comes of a little bit of the bubble off plumb.
 
The reason Dr. Paul was slammed by the "professional politicians" is he's the ONLY one willing to discuss the issues and expose the fact of how growing the Govt isn't necessary. This is something that the professional politicians want to avoid at all costs. They want to keep the masses like sheep meandering aimlessly around awaiting their next radio broadcast.

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It seems Sarah Palin, which i know most of you adore(nothing wrong with that), seems to have a soft spot for ol' Dr Paul. Does this make her a tin-foil hat, kool-aid drinking wierdo?

"Palin calls controversial Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul “cool.” “He’s a good guy,” she added. “He’s so independent. He’s independent of the party machine. I’m like, ‘Right on, so am I."

Paul's opinion on her statements and his opinions on Mr. McCain and Obama.




 
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The reason Dr. Paul was slammed by the "professional politicians" is he's the ONLY one willing to discuss the issues and expose the fact of how growing the Govt isn't necessary. This is something that the professional politicians want to avoid at all costs. They want to keep the masses like sheep meandering aimlessly around awaiting their next radio broadcast.




This is the first time that I have responded to a DR post.

I fell that DR hits the nail right on the head with regard to the professional politicians that enslave this nation.

Dr is not really very far away from what many of us believe when it comes to the mess in Washington.

I feel that he has been branded as a liberal because of his dislike for George Bush and the republicans who continue to trample our constitution.

It is interesting that John McCain (who I will not vote for. I am voting 3rd party.)is running his campaign on change in the republican party; supposedly departing from the policies of George Bush. This is what is attracting the conservative vote.

I most definitely do not believe him.

He is appeasing the conservative base by throwing them a bone in Sarah Palin, a true conservative, who will be told to go stand in the corner as the republican party continues "business as usual" after January 20, 2009.
 
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The reason Dr. Paul was slammed by the "professional politicians" is he's the ONLY one willing to discuss the issues and expose the fact of how growing the Govt isn't necessary. This is something that the professional politicians want to avoid at all costs. They want to keep the masses like sheep meandering aimlessly around awaiting their next radio broadcast.

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It seems Sarah Palin, which i know most of you adore(nothing wrong with that), seems to have a soft spot for ol' Dr Paul. Does this make her a tin-foil hat, kool-aid drinking wierdo?

"Palin calls controversial Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul “cool.” “He’s a good guy,” she added. “He’s so independent. He’s independent of the party machine. I’m like, ‘Right on, so am I."

Paul's opinion on her statements and his opinions on Mr. McCain and Obama.








I can appreciate your response, right up to the point where you refer to the "masses" as wandering sheep.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that you are of the opinion that if anyone didn't vote for Paul, then they (we), are nothing more than lemmings following the leader to the cliff.

This could be misunderstood by many of us here as an "Antagonistic comment". I certainly hope that this is not the case.
 
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The reason Dr. Paul was slammed by the "professional politicians" is he's the ONLY one willing to discuss the issues and expose the fact of how growing the Govt isn't necessary. This is something that the professional politicians want to avoid at all costs. They want to keep the masses like sheep meandering aimlessly around awaiting their next radio broadcast.




This is the first time that I have responded to a DR post.

I fell that DR hits the nail right on the head with regard to the professional politicians that enslave this nation.

Dr is not really very far away from what many of us believe when it comes to the mess in Washington.

I feel that he has been branded as a liberal because of his dislike for George Bush and the republicans who continue to trample our constitution.

It is interesting that John McCain (who I will not vote for. I am voting 3rd party.)is running his campaign on change in the republican party; supposedly departing from the policies of George Bush. This is what is attracting the conservative vote.

I most definitely do not believe him.

He is appeasing the conservative base by throwing them a bone in Sarah Palin, a true conservative, who will be told to go stand in the corner as the republican party continues "business as usual" after January 20, 2009.



Here's a first! I think i AGREE with EVERYTHING you just said...
 
Ohh, change is what John McSame is all about, that is his mind more often than you can keep up with. Well, most of us that is...........:)

National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.

Foreign Policy

7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.

8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.

Military Policy

14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.

16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.

17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”

Domestic Policy

21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”

23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.

34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.

35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”

36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.

37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.

38. McCain said the Colorado River compact will “obviously” need to be “renegotiated.” Six days later, McCain said, “Let me be clear that I do not advocate renegotiation of the compact.”

Economic Policy

39. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.

40. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.

41. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.

42. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

43. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

44. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

45. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.

46. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.

Energy Policy

47. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.

48. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

49. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.

50. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.

51. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

52. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.

Immigration Policy

53. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.

54. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.

55. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”

Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law

56. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

57. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

58. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

59. In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obamas reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.

60. In June, McCain described the Supreme Court’s decision in Boumediene v. Bush was “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” In August, he reversed course.

Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform

61. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

62. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

63. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

64. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.

Politics and Associations

65. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)

66. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

67. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

68. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

69. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

70. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

71. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

72. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

73. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.

74. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.

75. McCain has been both for and against considering a pro-choice running mate for the Republican presidential ticket.
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It is interesting that John McCain (who I will not vote for. I am voting 3rd party.)is running his campaign on change in the republican party; supposedly departing from the policies of George Bush. This is what is attracting the conservative vote.

I most definitely do not believe him.

He is appeasing the conservative base by throwing them a bone in Sarah Palin, a true conservative, who will be told to go stand in the corner as the republican party continues "business as usual" after January 20, 2009.

 
DR isn't a lib, I've written that before. He's more of a cynical Libertarian/Populist. I've not seen him advocate large government, in fact it is the opposite because he does not trust, seemingly, ANY politicians.

I disagree with Paul on the war, but a lot of what he says I really like and agree with--I also have a significant Libertarian streak in me.
 
Funny, I don't see him ever hammering the dems. The closest we get to that is the generic "both parties are crud" post when someone calls him on it. ALL of his bashing is directed at republicans.

I don't buy claim of him being a libertarian in the least. I've been well acquainted with libertarians for over 20 years and I've never, not once, ran into one that regurgitates the hard-left wealth & class envy that he has posted here.
 
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Funny, I don't see him ever hammering the dems. The closest we get to that is the generic "both parties are crud" post when someone calls him on it. ALL of his bashing is directed at republicans.

I don't buy claim of him being a libertarian in the least. I've been well acquainted with libertarians for over 20 years and I've never, not once, ran into one that regurgitates the hard-left wealth & class envy that he has posted here.



Well...the wealth and class-envy, that's the Populist part, lol! I mentioned the Libertarian part because the only politician I've ever heard him support is Ron Paul.

He'd probably do more Democrat-bashing if this place was filled with Libs instead of mostly Conservatives. He also clearly likes to needle people and get under their skin...
 
Stu, what would be the point?? A total of maybe 3 or 4 dem posters? If the forum were infiltrated w/Dems I'd be hammering them as well but that isn't the case now is it? Besides, I am sure there are enough posters here for that task. No thanks, I'm good.

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Funny, I don't see him ever hammering the dems. The closest we get to that is the generic "both parties are crud" post when someone calls him on it. ALL of his bashing is directed at republicans.

I don't buy claim of him being a libertarian in the least. I've been well acquainted with libertarians for over 20 years and I've never, not once, ran into one that regurgitates the hard-left wealth & class envy that he has posted here.

 
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and that isn't the reason we're here, nor is it exactly in compliance with our TOS.



Uh oh. Looks like the fun is comming to an end.
 
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Where did that list come from, what was its source?





You fellas can keep right on thinking he isn't a lib, this site sure isn't a bastion of conservative thought. Looks like the same ol liberal trash being spewed on there to me.
 
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If the forum were infiltrated w/Dems I'd be hammering them as well but that isn't the case now is it?



I guess I don't understand why you feel that you have the right, or find it necessary, to come into this forum, and "Hammer" anyone. Republican, Democrat, Liberal or otherwise.

This is a self admitted case and point of your overall alterior motives and agenda.

I don't know that I would have chosen the word "Hammering" though.

I think that everyone here looks at it more like " Instigating ".
 
Pardon me. I guess I should have used the term symposium or colloquy. With all due respect I guess I am at a loss as to why a difference of political opinions infuriates you so? Is censorship what you're really after? Is that a fix or a means to an end? Will this brow beat and set the tone for future posters to not disagree w/the opinions of the Mods?

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If the forum were infiltrated w/Dems I'd be hammering them as well but that isn't the case now is it?



I guess I don't understand why you feel that you have the right, or find it necessary, to come into this forum, and "Hammer" anyone. Republican, Democrat, Liberal or otherwise.

This is a self admitted case and point of your overall alterior motives and agenda.

I don't know that I would have chosen the word "Hammering" though.

I think that everyone here looks at it more like " Instigating ".

 
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