Important safety of country and our gun rights
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SodakJim
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Ya know I can't believe how dumb voters are in this country. Most don't realize the real power lies in the hands of congress if it gets a super democratic majority. Obama would be no more than a rubber stamp president for Pelosi, Reed. etc. Their super liberal agenda could overide a presidential veto over McCain or Obama. The people that are most responsible for the economic mess is CONGRESS. They are the ones that let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac give out bad loans that started this melt down. This is where the real danger to our way of life lies. The other danger is that they will be appointing Supreme Court judges that are not strict constitutionalist. 3 Justices are likely to be replaced in the next 4-8 years, and Obama and his bunch would pick those with liberal and secular backgrounds.
Trying to grow the economy from the bottom up didn't work for the communists in the USSR, and it's not likely it will work here either. Obama is pandering to the poor and middle class in a classic liberal power grab. How many of those that get a $1000 dollar tax refund, or tax gift from the government, are going to start new a business that hires employes and pays taxes. The anser is NONE. Sure, there would be a short blip in the economy with the infussion of money, but it would have no long-term effect, just as the Bush stimulus package didn't do much.
Anyone that thinks the big global corporations are going to stay in the country with higher corporate taxes is not looking at it realistically. Those that do remain in the US will simply pass any increased taxes on to the consumers.
If you think that a liberal government can't change gun laws, and force the surrender of your gun rights, take a look at history in Canada, Austrailia, and England. Those that vote for Obama or liberal congress or fail to vote for McCain deserve what they get. Generations to come don't deserve paying for our mistakes.
Trying to grow the economy from the bottom up didn't work for the communists in the USSR, and it's not likely it will work here either. Obama is pandering to the poor and middle class in a classic liberal power grab. How many of those that get a $1000 dollar tax refund, or tax gift from the government, are going to start new a business that hires employes and pays taxes. The anser is NONE. Sure, there would be a short blip in the economy with the infussion of money, but it would have no long-term effect, just as the Bush stimulus package didn't do much.
Anyone that thinks the big global corporations are going to stay in the country with higher corporate taxes is not looking at it realistically. Those that do remain in the US will simply pass any increased taxes on to the consumers.
If you think that a liberal government can't change gun laws, and force the surrender of your gun rights, take a look at history in Canada, Austrailia, and England. Those that vote for Obama or liberal congress or fail to vote for McCain deserve what they get. Generations to come don't deserve paying for our mistakes.
YoungGun92
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I hate to be the odd one out, but I believe that the given situation of our economy and country has put us in a situation where the president's last concern is gun ownership. I am not necessarily for Obama's plans, but I believe that McCain's plans are any better. I'm at a basic tie for who I want to be president.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it on here, but I'm going to put my voice out there. I believe that Palin is the worst thing this country could ever allow to happen to it.
YES, I do like how she is "just like us", ie: hunting, fishing, NRA. But face facts... How many of you would want your voice to represent our country to THE WORLD???
NO, I don't like how she uses her unmarried and pregnant daughter as a campaign tool. Nor do I like her acting like every working class person in this great nation is a "Joe six-pack". I'm not an adult yet, but I know for dang sure that I don't want to be recognized and stereotyped as "Joe six-pack" when I become older; not to mention that I believe that this a degrading, and quite frankly an insult to every working class American out there.
Now you can call me a kid all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we kids are the future, and the future people of this country should hold a higher respect for themselves and demand to be addressed in a way that proves to other countries that we are not a nation of beer-drinking, working-men. If this is the image you want to have plastered around the world of this great nation's people, then you should take a serious moment to consider the effects of choosing a party that does exactly this.
AGAIN, I'm not for Obama, but I am sure as heck against Palin! It was a sad choice for John McCain to put himself in the position he is in but I am positive that he has lost many voters due to his running-mate.
Sorry to have that post be a little off topic, but I had to get that off my chest. Basically, I feel that this should not be the main topic that is decide this election, granted that it is important; I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Just my "two cents" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it on here, but I'm going to put my voice out there. I believe that Palin is the worst thing this country could ever allow to happen to it.
YES, I do like how she is "just like us", ie: hunting, fishing, NRA. But face facts... How many of you would want your voice to represent our country to THE WORLD???
NO, I don't like how she uses her unmarried and pregnant daughter as a campaign tool. Nor do I like her acting like every working class person in this great nation is a "Joe six-pack". I'm not an adult yet, but I know for dang sure that I don't want to be recognized and stereotyped as "Joe six-pack" when I become older; not to mention that I believe that this a degrading, and quite frankly an insult to every working class American out there.
Now you can call me a kid all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we kids are the future, and the future people of this country should hold a higher respect for themselves and demand to be addressed in a way that proves to other countries that we are not a nation of beer-drinking, working-men. If this is the image you want to have plastered around the world of this great nation's people, then you should take a serious moment to consider the effects of choosing a party that does exactly this.
AGAIN, I'm not for Obama, but I am sure as heck against Palin! It was a sad choice for John McCain to put himself in the position he is in but I am positive that he has lost many voters due to his running-mate.
Sorry to have that post be a little off topic, but I had to get that off my chest. Basically, I feel that this should not be the main topic that is decide this election, granted that it is important; I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Just my "two cents" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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blinddog
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Sarah Palin is the Vice president nominee, it is not between her and Obama, look closely at Obamas plan for the economy, his plan to raise taxes on the employers will do nothing but raise the unemployment rate, and while he is saying he wants to "cut taxes" on 95% of Americans, he is also planning on putting tax rates back to the Clinton era, that means a raise in taxes by from five to twenty percent on all Americans. And yes little boy, gun control is a concern, a very big one, since with a democrat controled congress, there would be little to no debate, just whatever draconian laws they want to pass.
Heck Obama already is talking a raise in the Fed exsize tax, by thirty or forty percent, that is on all firearms, ammunition, [beeep] even bows and arrows. In other words he wants to remake the US into Europe. I for one will not stand for that.
Your post shows that you have at least looked at the issues. Now you need to research the two men involved, what they stand for, and what there history is on the real issues. and stop getting side tracked on non issues.
Heck Obama already is talking a raise in the Fed exsize tax, by thirty or forty percent, that is on all firearms, ammunition, [beeep] even bows and arrows. In other words he wants to remake the US into Europe. I for one will not stand for that.
Your post shows that you have at least looked at the issues. Now you need to research the two men involved, what they stand for, and what there history is on the real issues. and stop getting side tracked on non issues.
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Ya know I can't believe hot dumb voters are in this country. Most don't realize the real power lies in the hands of congress if it gets a super democratic majority. Obama would be no more than a rubber stamp president for Pelosi, Reid. etc. Their super liberal agenda could overide a presidential veto over McCain or Obama. The people that are most responsible for the economic mess is CONGRESS. They are the ones that let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac give out bad loans that started this melt down. This is where the real danger to our way of life lies. The other danger is that they will be appointing Supreme Court judges that are not strict constitutionalist. 3 Justices are likely to be replaced in the next 4-8 years, and Obama and his bunch would pick those with liberal and secular backgrounds.
very well said. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Trying to grow the economy from the bottom up didn't work for the communists in the USSR, and it's not likely it will work here either. Obama is pandering to the poor and middle class in a classic liberal power grab. How many of those that get a $1000 dollar tax refund, or tax gift from the government, are going to start new a business that hires employes and pays taxes. The anser is NONE. Sure, there would be a short blip in the economy with the infussion of money, but it would have no long-term effect, just as the Bush stimulus package didn't do much.
Anyone that thinks the big global corporations are going to stay in the country with higher corporate taxes is not looking at it realistically. Those that do remain in the US will simply pass any increased taxes on to the consumers.
If you think that a liberal government can't change gun laws, and force the surrender of your gun rights, take a look at history in Canada, Austrailia, and England. Those that vote for Obama or liberal congress or fail to vote for McCain deserve what they get. Generations to come don't deserve paying for our mistakes.
Ya know I can't believe hot dumb voters are in this country. Most don't realize the real power lies in the hands of congress if it gets a super democratic majority. Obama would be no more than a rubber stamp president for Pelosi, Reid. etc. Their super liberal agenda could overide a presidential veto over McCain or Obama. The people that are most responsible for the economic mess is CONGRESS. They are the ones that let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac give out bad loans that started this melt down. This is where the real danger to our way of life lies. The other danger is that they will be appointing Supreme Court judges that are not strict constitutionalist. 3 Justices are likely to be replaced in the next 4-8 years, and Obama and his bunch would pick those with liberal and secular backgrounds.
very well said. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
Trying to grow the economy from the bottom up didn't work for the communists in the USSR, and it's not likely it will work here either. Obama is pandering to the poor and middle class in a classic liberal power grab. How many of those that get a $1000 dollar tax refund, or tax gift from the government, are going to start new a business that hires employes and pays taxes. The anser is NONE. Sure, there would be a short blip in the economy with the infussion of money, but it would have no long-term effect, just as the Bush stimulus package didn't do much.
Anyone that thinks the big global corporations are going to stay in the country with higher corporate taxes is not looking at it realistically. Those that do remain in the US will simply pass any increased taxes on to the consumers.
If you think that a liberal government can't change gun laws, and force the surrender of your gun rights, take a look at history in Canada, Austrailia, and England. Those that vote for Obama or liberal congress or fail to vote for McCain deserve what they get. Generations to come don't deserve paying for our mistakes.
Jack Roberts
Moderator - Deceased
I have traveled all over the world. I spend 3-4 months a year offshore. Nowhere in the world does the average person live as well as in the US. The reason is that socialism is a failure everywhere it has been tried. To think Obama can do socialism in the US better than all the countries that have tried it is ridiculous.
Socialism has always failed to compete with capitalism and always will.
Jack
Socialism has always failed to compete with capitalism and always will.
Jack
t/c223encore
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Shoulda been posted in the freedom forum.
t/c223encore.
t/c223encore.
buckhalljr
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VOTE FOR McCAIN!!!!
Obama and the other democrats in congress would be a nightmare for this country in general, and especially for gun owners.
Where we really need help is from the gun owners in OH, PA, FL, and MI. Residents of those states really need to get out and vote, and encouage all there friends and relatives to do the same.
Don't quote me on these numbers but I have heard that there are 80 million gun owners in America, and only 4 million members in the NRA. Doesn't make sense. Especially with what is a stake in the next few years. The NRA is our best shot at protecting our guns and second amendment rights.
Myself, my wife, and all my kids are NRA members. It only costs 35.00 per year for NRA membership, and you can add family members for cheaper than that.
Whether your are shooting 3 shot groups, 5 shot groups, busting varmints, harvetsing deer, or rolling cans around with your Ruger 10-22, VOTE McCAIN, and join the NRA. It will be your best shot.
Obama and the other democrats in congress would be a nightmare for this country in general, and especially for gun owners.
Where we really need help is from the gun owners in OH, PA, FL, and MI. Residents of those states really need to get out and vote, and encouage all there friends and relatives to do the same.
Don't quote me on these numbers but I have heard that there are 80 million gun owners in America, and only 4 million members in the NRA. Doesn't make sense. Especially with what is a stake in the next few years. The NRA is our best shot at protecting our guns and second amendment rights.
Myself, my wife, and all my kids are NRA members. It only costs 35.00 per year for NRA membership, and you can add family members for cheaper than that.
Whether your are shooting 3 shot groups, 5 shot groups, busting varmints, harvetsing deer, or rolling cans around with your Ruger 10-22, VOTE McCAIN, and join the NRA. It will be your best shot.
bigwheeler
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I hate to be the odd one out, but I believe that the given situation of our economy and country has put us in a situation where the president's last concern is gun ownership. I am not necessarily for Obama's plans, but I believe that McCain's plans are any better. I'm at a basic tie for who I want to be president.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it on here, but I'm going to put my voice out there. I believe that Palin is the worst thing this country could ever allow to happen to it.
YES, I do like how she is "just like us", ie: hunting, fishing, NRA. But face facts... How many of you would want your voice to represent our country to THE WORLD???
NO, I don't like how she uses her unmarried and pregnant daughter as a campaign tool. Nor do I like her acting like every working class person in this great nation is a "Joe six-pack". I'm not an adult yet, but I know for dang sure that I don't want to be recognized and stereotyped as "Joe six-pack" when I become older; not to mention that I believe that this a degrading, and quite frankly an insult to every working class American out there.
Now you can call me a kid all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we kids are the future, and the future people of this country should hold a higher respect for themselves and demand to be addressed in a way that proves to other countries that we are not a nation of beer-drinking, working-men. If this is the image you want to have plastered around the world of this great nation's people, then you should take a serious moment to consider the effects of choosing a party that does exactly this.
AGAIN, I'm not for Obama, but I am sure as heck against Palin! It was a sad choice for John McCain to put himself in the position he is in but I am positive that he has lost many voters due to his running-mate.
Sorry to have that post be a little off topic, but I had to get that off my chest. Basically, I feel that this should not be the main topic that is decide this election, granted that it is important; I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Just my "two cents" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And that's what your thinking is worth, 2 cents. What good have all the
brain boys that have been sent to dc done for us? what have all the educated
thieves on wall street done for us. Wisdom is not knowledge. One you get
from God, the other you get from books. Don't have to be too smart to
figure out which one is more valuable.
And that my friend is some advise that you can't buy.
I hate to be the odd one out, but I believe that the given situation of our economy and country has put us in a situation where the president's last concern is gun ownership. I am not necessarily for Obama's plans, but I believe that McCain's plans are any better. I'm at a basic tie for who I want to be president.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think it on here, but I'm going to put my voice out there. I believe that Palin is the worst thing this country could ever allow to happen to it.
YES, I do like how she is "just like us", ie: hunting, fishing, NRA. But face facts... How many of you would want your voice to represent our country to THE WORLD???
NO, I don't like how she uses her unmarried and pregnant daughter as a campaign tool. Nor do I like her acting like every working class person in this great nation is a "Joe six-pack". I'm not an adult yet, but I know for dang sure that I don't want to be recognized and stereotyped as "Joe six-pack" when I become older; not to mention that I believe that this a degrading, and quite frankly an insult to every working class American out there.
Now you can call me a kid all you want, but the fact of the matter is that we kids are the future, and the future people of this country should hold a higher respect for themselves and demand to be addressed in a way that proves to other countries that we are not a nation of beer-drinking, working-men. If this is the image you want to have plastered around the world of this great nation's people, then you should take a serious moment to consider the effects of choosing a party that does exactly this.
AGAIN, I'm not for Obama, but I am sure as heck against Palin! It was a sad choice for John McCain to put himself in the position he is in but I am positive that he has lost many voters due to his running-mate.
Sorry to have that post be a little off topic, but I had to get that off my chest. Basically, I feel that this should not be the main topic that is decide this election, granted that it is important; I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Just my "two cents" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And that's what your thinking is worth, 2 cents. What good have all the
brain boys that have been sent to dc done for us? what have all the educated
thieves on wall street done for us. Wisdom is not knowledge. One you get
from God, the other you get from books. Don't have to be too smart to
figure out which one is more valuable.
And that my friend is some advise that you can't buy.
YoungGun92, you are correct that there are, indeed, many other important issues at stake at this point in time. Remember that it is McCain running against Obama, not Palin.
McCain has many years experience in the senate compared to 143 days in the senate for Obama. I have asked many folks who were for Obama if they could name one accomplishment of Obama's and have yet to get an answer. I could go on, but the following facts should give you pause if you are thinking Obama and a super democratic majority in the legislature will not target your guns.
Friday, June 06, 2008
On the Second Amendment,
Don’t Believe Obama!
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
For entire article, complete w/references to back up above voting record go to:
web pageDocumentation of Obama's 2nd Amandment Voting Record
Last year, during a debate with Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and other contenders for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, Biden said, "I'm the guy who originally wrote the assault weapons ban."
Then you have Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, Boxer, Kennedy, et al, all pushing gun control and no checks and balances in place w/Obama and filibuster proof legislative branch. Better think twice about:
Quote:
I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Regards,
hm
McCain has many years experience in the senate compared to 143 days in the senate for Obama. I have asked many folks who were for Obama if they could name one accomplishment of Obama's and have yet to get an answer. I could go on, but the following facts should give you pause if you are thinking Obama and a super democratic majority in the legislature will not target your guns.
Friday, June 06, 2008
On the Second Amendment,
Don’t Believe Obama!
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
For entire article, complete w/references to back up above voting record go to:
web pageDocumentation of Obama's 2nd Amandment Voting Record
Last year, during a debate with Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and other contenders for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, Biden said, "I'm the guy who originally wrote the assault weapons ban."
Then you have Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, Boxer, Kennedy, et al, all pushing gun control and no checks and balances in place w/Obama and filibuster proof legislative branch. Better think twice about:
Quote:
I still feel it to be almost impossible that congress and the president will go on a total war-path towards the destruction of our gun rights at this point in time.
Regards,
hm
buckhalljr
New member
Good facts posted by hm1996.
I am going to print several copies and pass them around to people who may be undecided. I dont't think there is anyway in [beeep] that Obama will get Oklahomas' votes but I am going to do it anyway.
We need people in the "swing" states to alert their friends and neighbors too.
I am going to print several copies and pass them around to people who may be undecided. I dont't think there is anyway in [beeep] that Obama will get Oklahomas' votes but I am going to do it anyway.
We need people in the "swing" states to alert their friends and neighbors too.
YoungGun92
New member
I'm sorry that my opinions differ from most of you others. I fully realize that Obama is running against McCain, and not Palin, but her opinions and ideas are valued and supported by McCain, and I fully disagree with that.
I do appreciate that some of you have posted a decent counter argument to my post rather than just stating things without backing them. I do enjoy a good (intelligent) argument. Well stated hm1996!
NO, I don't support Obama's back history or current stance on gun rights or gun ownership, but at this current time there are things more important than that, and I am willing to take the risk. YEAH! I DON'T LIKE HIS OPINIONS!
I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
There are other political reasons that I am for Obama as opposed to McCain, but I won't delve into those in order to keep this thread on topic the topic of gun rights.
Oh, and guys, don't worry. I'm not old enough to vote in this upcoming election anyway. So no worries about me adding to Obama's vote count /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I would like to continue this, but I wish to have my opinions treated with respect just the same as I adress yours. This should not be an attack on anyone, but rather a list of opinions grouped together to portray the rivaling opinions of each other. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Again, just "my 2 cents"
I do appreciate that some of you have posted a decent counter argument to my post rather than just stating things without backing them. I do enjoy a good (intelligent) argument. Well stated hm1996!
NO, I don't support Obama's back history or current stance on gun rights or gun ownership, but at this current time there are things more important than that, and I am willing to take the risk. YEAH! I DON'T LIKE HIS OPINIONS!
I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
There are other political reasons that I am for Obama as opposed to McCain, but I won't delve into those in order to keep this thread on topic the topic of gun rights.
Oh, and guys, don't worry. I'm not old enough to vote in this upcoming election anyway. So no worries about me adding to Obama's vote count /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif
I would like to continue this, but I wish to have my opinions treated with respect just the same as I adress yours. This should not be an attack on anyone, but rather a list of opinions grouped together to portray the rivaling opinions of each other. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
Again, just "my 2 cents"
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blinddog
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I'm sorry that my opinion is so different than many others. I fully realize that Obama is running against McCain, and not Palin, but her opinions and ideas are valued and supported by McCain, and I fully disagree with that.
I do appreciate that some of you have posted a decent counter argument to my post rather than just stating things without backing them. I do enjoy a good (intelligent) argument. Well stated hm1996!
NO, I don't support Obama's back history or current stance on gun rights or gun ownership, but at this current time there are things more important than that, and I am willing to take the risk.
I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
There are other political reasons that I am for Obama as opposed to McCain, but I won't delve into those in order to keep this thread on topic the topic of gun rights.
What is wrong with the way McCain is running his campaghn? Or are you buying into the Obama is a victim retort to any questioning of him? I am real tired of his ducking and obstructing any real questions about his back ground, and his flipping on the real issues. He was down as a strong supporter of gun control, made real strong anti second amendment statements, until the DC vs Heller case was ruled on with such favor by the American people. Then he is suddenly a supporter of the Second Amendment, with the caviat that he also supports "common sense gun control" If you have not figured that litle jem out it means any restrictions the libs want to put on firearms ownership and use. Anyone who supports a bill that punishes self defense is NOT a Friend of the American People period. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
I'm sorry that my opinion is so different than many others. I fully realize that Obama is running against McCain, and not Palin, but her opinions and ideas are valued and supported by McCain, and I fully disagree with that.
I do appreciate that some of you have posted a decent counter argument to my post rather than just stating things without backing them. I do enjoy a good (intelligent) argument. Well stated hm1996!
NO, I don't support Obama's back history or current stance on gun rights or gun ownership, but at this current time there are things more important than that, and I am willing to take the risk.
I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
There are other political reasons that I am for Obama as opposed to McCain, but I won't delve into those in order to keep this thread on topic the topic of gun rights.
What is wrong with the way McCain is running his campaghn? Or are you buying into the Obama is a victim retort to any questioning of him? I am real tired of his ducking and obstructing any real questions about his back ground, and his flipping on the real issues. He was down as a strong supporter of gun control, made real strong anti second amendment statements, until the DC vs Heller case was ruled on with such favor by the American people. Then he is suddenly a supporter of the Second Amendment, with the caviat that he also supports "common sense gun control" If you have not figured that litle jem out it means any restrictions the libs want to put on firearms ownership and use. Anyone who supports a bill that punishes self defense is NOT a Friend of the American People period. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif
FrankenCub
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We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution.
If we elect a socialist government, which is what it would be, these freedoms WILL be in jeopardy. History has proven that time after time.
But then again, my gun smith has been saying for the last 12 years or so that there will be another American Revolution. I used to laugh at him, but looking back at what has been happening it really does look like times are leading up to it. Every year the Dems. have control of congress the noose gets tighter and tighter. Just something to think about.
We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution.
If we elect a socialist government, which is what it would be, these freedoms WILL be in jeopardy. History has proven that time after time.
But then again, my gun smith has been saying for the last 12 years or so that there will be another American Revolution. I used to laugh at him, but looking back at what has been happening it really does look like times are leading up to it. Every year the Dems. have control of congress the noose gets tighter and tighter. Just something to think about.
SodakJim
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I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
I have no problem with Obama's race, name, or even his past associations with a terrorist. I do believe his association with Wright's church is one of polictical opportunism. You can't be a member of a church and not know the basic written tennants of the church. This church is dedicated to the promotion of black agendas that would be considered racist if you changed the word black to white. My kind of Christian church does not focus on race, hate, and outright lies to keep a congregation. If you believe that Obama didn't realize what his pastor was preaching for 20 years, you are only kidding yourself. He threw Wright under the campaign bus when he realized that he could not get anywhere with his rhetoric dragging him under. Obama was not persecuted for his religion any more than Romney or JFK. Obama is a smart politician, but he is a politician like all the rest. They will say whatever you want hear to get elected. The fact that Obama got more money from Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac than all the other congressional candidates put together, just shows he can be bought like all the others in congress. The fact that the congress has a lower approval rating than the Bush administration should tell you something. We have the best congress that money can buy. I think they should all have 4 year term limits to keep the corruption and influence peddling to a minimum.
My last comment asks the question, What has Barack Obama ever done in his career that would make him DESERVING of the presidency? He may may be qualified under the laws, but so are millions other US citizens. His one major accomplishment is running a brilliant campaign, but that is not enough for my vote.
I am more opposed to McCain's campaign tactics than I am to his views, and I refuse to vote for a party that feels the need to scare Americans away from another candidate due to their religion, race, or name. We are citizens of a nation that is built on the ideals of religious freedom, and freedom from persecution. I especially hate the idea that someone's name and religion could possibly mean that they are a terrorist, even though Obama is a christian. Remember that crazy priest of his?.
I have no problem with Obama's race, name, or even his past associations with a terrorist. I do believe his association with Wright's church is one of polictical opportunism. You can't be a member of a church and not know the basic written tennants of the church. This church is dedicated to the promotion of black agendas that would be considered racist if you changed the word black to white. My kind of Christian church does not focus on race, hate, and outright lies to keep a congregation. If you believe that Obama didn't realize what his pastor was preaching for 20 years, you are only kidding yourself. He threw Wright under the campaign bus when he realized that he could not get anywhere with his rhetoric dragging him under. Obama was not persecuted for his religion any more than Romney or JFK. Obama is a smart politician, but he is a politician like all the rest. They will say whatever you want hear to get elected. The fact that Obama got more money from Fanny Mae & Freddy Mac than all the other congressional candidates put together, just shows he can be bought like all the others in congress. The fact that the congress has a lower approval rating than the Bush administration should tell you something. We have the best congress that money can buy. I think they should all have 4 year term limits to keep the corruption and influence peddling to a minimum.
My last comment asks the question, What has Barack Obama ever done in his career that would make him DESERVING of the presidency? He may may be qualified under the laws, but so are millions other US citizens. His one major accomplishment is running a brilliant campaign, but that is not enough for my vote.
The SIG Way
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All registered and just waiting to scratch my marks on the paper.
Its real simple here-- Commie scum vs a real live American hero who spent years in the "Hilton" getting busted up by the gooks for your freedom.
Got it now?
I don't give a rat's arse what the rest of the world thinks of us as it is generally a cess pool---they need to aspire to be like us---not the other way around.
Its real simple here-- Commie scum vs a real live American hero who spent years in the "Hilton" getting busted up by the gooks for your freedom.
Got it now?
I don't give a rat's arse what the rest of the world thinks of us as it is generally a cess pool---they need to aspire to be like us---not the other way around.
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deputygene
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Early voting thursday.
I like Palin, she is one of us, a sportsman. She is not used to the National Stage and had some mis-steps, but will adjust quickly. Yes I would like to see her speak for the USA. She is smart as a whip and has more executive experience than the one the democrats want to elect. I think she will be a great free world leader. Tough? She is a marathon runner as well. Anyone else here know what it takes to dig deep inside yourself to go the distance for 26 miles?
I cannot understand why McCain is not exploiting Obama's antigun stance any more than he has. Here in NC, daily, we have TV ads saying how Obama supports sportsman and hunters. This is an outright lie and the McCain camp needs to bring Obama's past anti-gun voting stance to light. Many people are believing the Obama adds.
I like Palin, she is one of us, a sportsman. She is not used to the National Stage and had some mis-steps, but will adjust quickly. Yes I would like to see her speak for the USA. She is smart as a whip and has more executive experience than the one the democrats want to elect. I think she will be a great free world leader. Tough? She is a marathon runner as well. Anyone else here know what it takes to dig deep inside yourself to go the distance for 26 miles?
I cannot understand why McCain is not exploiting Obama's antigun stance any more than he has. Here in NC, daily, we have TV ads saying how Obama supports sportsman and hunters. This is an outright lie and the McCain camp needs to bring Obama's past anti-gun voting stance to light. Many people are believing the Obama adds.