Originally Posted By: Mr BenelliOriginally Posted By: Viper6actualPvs 14 and IR laser for me. Guys talking about hip shooting and such is rediculous. Just because you have a laser on doesn't mean you throw out the fundamentals of marksmanship and spray lead. You adapt and apply them the best you can. You shoulder the rifle and apply good trigger press and follow through. I have no issues with 100+yd shots with a laser at night.
This set up affords the most versatility and usefulness from the system imho.
Sorry, I should have explained better. When I say hip shooting I mean off a 3 point sling (magpul) and when walking in area where something will jump from the brush/tree and I have no time to shoulder, control the breathing and slowly squeeze the trigger.
When using the laser, most of the time I don't shoulder the weapon because i have better stability with the sling then just holding the AR up, into the shoulder and away from the face and pvs14. Plus I get a better field of view.
If I was attempting over 100 yards with the laser I would most likely be on some type of shooting sticks/rest, but I know other members have kills over 100 yards off hand. Me personally, if I had a coyote over 100 yards and I had the time for scoping, I would suggest using the pvs 14/scope instead of the laser. The reason, IR lasers don't have the exact poi as your scope and they are designed for human size targets and not coyotes and I don’t like to miss. Plus some coyotes only give you a head shot and 100 plus yards at night in the woods or field would be really tough, but not impossible.
I don't shoulder the AR with my nose on the charging handle because the helmet and PVS 14 gets in the way. So the gun will need to be lower than your head or maybe more. Sometimes you need to be able to see over the gun/scope for the target. And it also depends on what eye you put the pvs14 over. Also, you could get IR bloom/reflection from the helmet IR illuminator if your too close to the gun with your head. All depends on your setup and what’s in the way.
With the shotgun and at ranges of 50 yards and less (number 7's, 8's or 9's) I do not have any problems with not shouldering the weapon and hitting the target with the large pattern of the shotgun. If I use buckshot or tshot then I shoulder the weapon completely because of the recoil with 3 1/2 loads. But my helmet/head is away from the gun and not near the stock.
I would suggest before getting a IR/visible laser, Mount the PVS 14 to either a day scope (my preference and more accurate) or eotech & pvs 14 3xmagnifier and then decide if you think you will be hunting with it and at what ranges. Its a great tool to have in the arsenal. I think Lasers are a must for the shotgun but I think most coyote hunters can live without the laser on the AR. Also, after 125 yards or so and looking at the edge of the woods with pvs14 on helmet, I like to have the pvs14 with the 3x magnifier on the helmet. Recently, i have gone to the flir on the helmet and pvs 14 on the gun.
Viper can you tell us what range you sight your ir laser in at? I am trying to get an idea what other members are doing with lasers. thanks.
i am with you on most all of this. i do however run my 14 on my left eye and shoulder to the right. i do not ntch the weapon as that obviously don't work but i do try to be square with it so as to mitigate recoil jump and stay on target. i do couple mine to day optics frequently and have had terrific results doing so. recently i was out on some yotes and had 5 on me in a matter of 20 min with only my lr bolt gun and 14 coupled up. i couldnt get it into action fast enough. only one kia... that is why i like the ir laser and ar set up for times like that.
i have never used the onboard ir light on the 14 outdoors as it is basically worthless outside of a dark room. i run a super tac ir and it is simply amazing in performance. my ir laser is a israeli MARS sight which looks somewhat like an eotech with a built in ir laser. they are slaved together so when you zero one you have zeroed them both. i keep them with a point blank zero of just over 200yd. it has served me well so far.