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The point of my original post was to let people know that there is still hope, not get into a debate.
I have never belonged to a union, and I have never in my 16 years of teaching only worked under 50 hours a week when teaching. The majority of times, along with coaching, it turns out to over 60 hours on campus. This is not counting the hours at home grading homework or breaking down films when coaching.
I teach in AZ an am proud to be a teacher and never get out of bed not wanting to go to work. Just don't care to be lumped into a catagory with your East Coast Unionized Teachers who just collect a check. Just like you, I work hard for my money, but I don't overgeneralize when I disagree with someone's views or profession.
Enough with this, I guess I will just stick with the rifle and predator forums and stay out of this forum due to my beliefs and piece of mind.
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Well, I don't mean to attack either of you guys personally. I think it is pretty clear I object to a broken system controlled by the union that represents more Democrat Convention delegates than any other group.
I am especially not personally attacking non-unionized government school teachers in the Right to Work states, in which you both reside. These states are: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, (Guam, which Obama called a state but isn't), Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wyoming.
BTW, I personally attended government schools from 1969-82 and they were on the west coast, in WA, where I am from, not the east coast. I attended two of the 'best' school districts in the state, Lake Washington and Mercer Island, and I don't have a single good thing to say about a single teacher I had after 2d grade. It was mostly a huge waste of time and I am largely self educated even though I am a college graduate and an alumnus of Seattle University School of Law. I'll just say that--other than wood and metal shop and one history teacher--most of my teachers were largely incompetent and leave it at that. I was also humiliated, singled out and even punished because of my conservative views and for trying to defend that point of view. Your colleagues ridiculed and mocked me in 1980 because I had a Reagan/Bush button on my gym bag (also used as a bookbag, back then we didn't do backpacks for books, lol) but I refused to take it off and I was delighted at their misery when he won. I had the NEA union shop steward--or whatever the term is--complete with her "Fight the New Right" button worn during class, prominently on her sweater, spend a whole period telling the kids how bad Reagan was and how I was a fascistic dupe (essentially).
Another dirty trick I remember was them, especially in elementary school, trying to scare us into talking our parents into voting for school levies. That should be criminal, scaring little kids like that over adult political issues. And this was the 1970s...I can only imagine how bad it is now.
No, in NEA states I don't believe things have gotten better--I think from what some of these guys are posting they are getting worse.
No offense meant, but why aren't decent guys like you two who are teachers standing up to this crap from within and doing something to salvage your occupation's reputation?
Also, I never wrote anything about hating teachers. In fact, my kids have them, but they are not unionized government employees, they work for private religious and private special needs schools where learning takes place without political indoctrination.
If I offended either of you then I sincerely apologize, I'm sure you are both great guys personally, but I have real issues with the NEA and its war on innocent kids and that government schools take so much money and mismanage it such that children are being failed while adults' pockets are being lined.
When I hear of experiences like I did with Savage's daughter and how they had to pull her out of the school it was so bad--yet they still get to pay the taxes--it just really burns me up, that's all.