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Here in Ks if you kill an animal you must keep it from anyone seeing it. If you kill a coyote you cannot lay it in or on your pickup bed/flatbed because someone might see it and get sick. That is the truth, any other states like this or are we the lucky ones again? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angry-smiley-055.gif



Would this be considered a "gore shot" ?
 
I almost think this was on the books in KS before 79. It made having one of the "Air Gates" worthless.

Another good Kansas law is we can only shoot 10 Jackrabbits a day. In my area, I have been shooting the jacks for the past 8 years and have been getting calls from farmers wanting me to come shoot the jacks on their ground. Is the dangest deal now and then when I forget which finger I was ready for and have to start all over. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif

To be clear on this, there are areas that could have a rabbit drive, just like in the 50's & early 60's, due to all the rabbits we have. The amount of crops they eat is amazing. Had a guy that had some pasture land that was covered with jacks. His range specialist told him 15 jacks would eat the same amount in one day as one old cow. We had it figured up where we had shot 35-40 old cows (around 550 jacks) off the pasture in a couple of months.
 
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I've hunted in Aizona for years, and have seen a Game Warden only once.



Jeff, they don't bother to check old guys driving a Lexus /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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This is not a new law--been around for a number of years. Goes back to the dog hunting days of the 70's when the dog hunters used to throw the coyotes on top of the dog boxes. Look at the date, goes back to 1979.

That was during the height of the fur craze--unskinned coyotes going for upwards of $75.00 each. I was a senior in HS in '79, and quite frankly, some of the behavior I saw in coyote 'hunters' back then was deplorable--not just dog hunters, but everyone with a shotgun and a rifle that was out to make a quick buck. It is something that was brought on by a few slobs.

Don't totally agree with it, however, but thats the way it is.

Timb nailed it, right here. A lot of guys [beeep] about grey hound hunters these days, when back in the day when a dead coyote was worth good money, not many things stood in the way of a lot of hunters that had dollar signs flashing in their eyes!
 
When I was a kid, when we would go visit my grandparents in West/Central Texas, we would see coyotes hung head down on fences and gates to ranches. My Grandad said that was how all the ranchers(he was a wool rancher) let others around them to keep an eye out for coyotes. I'll admit it was always kind of fascinating to pull through the gates to their ranch and see 5-6 coyotes hanging in full view on either side of the gate(kind of smelly too, but a good means to an end). My Grandad was a good shot and they didn't get away from him very often.

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I've never heard of a law like that.Alot of guys that I know that coyote hunt and dont own a pickup just throw them on the top of their car and drive home with them like that.
It just amazes me how someone can be offended by a coyote that has a hole in it and not neccesarily one that is noticeable but can drive down the highway and see a jackrabbit,dog,cat,skunk,ect,that has been hit almost every time.One end of the critter is on the center line and the other end is on the side of the road and not think anything of it.Or maybe they do I dont know.But I'd kinda like to think people arent just driving around throwing up in their cars and calling the cops because of it but they might. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Some people these days are just stupid.Thats really all it boils down to.I'd say that if you feel like you need to get a coyote from one place to another,throw it in your truck.If someone is looking in the bed of your pickup and gets offended I would say they need to pay attention to what their doing instead of wondering whats in the back of your pickup.And if that does happen I suggest you tell them just that.
If you have a flat bed and someone gets offended,just tell them that picking up roadkill is a hobby of yours. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
You dont throw rocks at them when their playing golf so they better give you the same respect while your persueing your hobby.
And if you do throw rocks at them while their golfing....well thats just funny. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
All of you guys bring up valid points.

I don't want to beat this to death, but just want to expound on a couple of things and I promise I will stop after that.

As hunters, we are statistically insignificant, hovering around 5-7% of the population. Fortunately, antis are also at 5-7% of the population, although they like to think there are more of them than us. That makes anywhere from 86-90% of the rest of the people that don't care what we do as long is it is done ethically.

I have been asked by the Hunter Ed Dept. in Kansas to write my views on ethics and how they factor into the ability to keep doing what we all love.

My first article was published in the Kansas State Rifle Assn. newsletter this last month.

I strongly believe that our ethics, or lack thereof, can be as damaging to hunters and shooters as attacks on the 2nd Amendment.

I am not afraid to tell people that I hunt, or hide it in any way. With that said, I am very careful in how I conduct myself and how I hunt.

I agree is it very stupid law, however, it is the law. My point is that if I, (I can only control my behavior, and am not preaching to anyone), can do something to keep from offending someone and tipping the balance between turning a non-hunter into an anti, I will choose that option every time!

Regards,
Tim
 
Tim...2x8 "sideboards" on the flatbeds, uh, don't work my friend. Visible to the public or not, you aren't even supposed to have them "openly displayed" inside the regular pickup bed.
My dad always (once the law took affect) put them inside 50# feed sacks. I put them inside garbage bags.

Grandpas Shop...Yes, '79 was when it went into affect. I remember the fit my dad threw over it. He was pissed because for 40+ years, he had been able to tie them on top of his dogbox to a pipe that surrounded the top.

Yellowhammer...it is ironic that the law only pertains to coyotes & not deer, rabbits, pheasants & such.
Personally, I wish the law would get changed.
 
Not that it would make much difference to me, but what would we have to do to get this law changed?

Kinda on the same lines, I once had a short bed small pickup with a box in the front. Wife & I had both shot deer and we always skinned and cleaned them at home & let them hang a few days before taking to butcher shop. We had wrapped old white sheets around the deer and then loaded them in the back of the pickup. Tailgate wouldn't close & wife said she had lots of funny looks from people on the way to butcher shop. Man thats been 20 years ago or so. Would probably be a really bad idea to even think of trying it today.
 
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Not that it would make much difference to me, but what would we have to do to get this law changed?



I would start with pro-hunting organizations in your state to see if one or more of them will take it up. Find out if that's a law made by the legislature or the wildlife dept. You'll probably have more luck if it's strictly a wildlife dept decision but the legislature is made up of politicians that want to please their constituents. Do a grassroots campaign and see if you can get it changed without a lot of media fuss which would bring in the anti's at full volume. Good luck.
 
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Not that it would make much difference to me, but what would we have to do to get this law changed?



I would start with pro-hunting organizations in your state to see if one or more of them will take it up. Find out if that's a law made by the legislature or the wildlife dept. You'll probably have more luck if it's strictly a wildlife dept decision but the legislature is made up of politicians that want to please their constituents. Do a grassroots campaign and see if you can get it changed without a lot of media fuss which would bring in the anti's at full volume. Good luck.



I will make some phone calls to some guys in the dept. I am on the Hunter Ed Advisory Committee and have a game warden on the committee with me. We meet at the end of February, so I will visit with him about this.

I can about guarantee you there will be no change--think about it--there was no political correctness in 1979--what kind of opposition would you come up against today if you tried to reverse this???

Tim
 
Ya, I hear you.

The thing I was thinking, there are a whole lot more flatbed farm pickups around today than there was in 79. If a farmer shot a coyote he couldnt even haul it home unless he had remembered to put bags in his pickup before hand.
 
Just prop it up in the passenger seat with its tongue hanging out the window and some dark sunglasses. Blast some ZZ Top by the way. Uncle Yotes Vacation.....LOL /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I don't think it should be a law, but I do think it is a good idea to keep dead game out of sight. I was in a calling tournament a couple of weeks ago, and a guy had 7 coyotes on the roof of his jeep. There was blood running down the windows. My buddy's wife, who love hunting, was pretty disgusted with the sight, and she loves hunting. I can only imagine how someone who does not hunt would have looked at that sight.

Sometimes it is best to keep not rubbing what we do in the faces of those who do not understand it.
I know my aunt hates hunting due to seeing a guy covered in deer blood in a gas station when she was young. The picture never left her mind. Today she gives to the HSUS and has animal rights license plates on her car.

just my $0.02
 
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I don't think it should be a law, but I do think it is a good idea to keep dead game out of sight. I was in a calling tournament a couple of weeks ago, and a guy had 7 coyotes on the roof of his jeep. There was blood running down the windows. My buddy's wife, who love hunting, was pretty disgusted with the sight, and she loves hunting. I can only imagine how someone who does not hunt would have looked at that sight.

Sometimes it is best to keep not rubbing what we do in the faces of those who do not understand it.
I know my aunt hates hunting due to seeing a guy covered in deer blood in a gas station when she was young. The picture never left her mind. Today she gives to the HSUS and has animal rights license plates on her car.

just my $0.02



Great analysis! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif These same topics were being debated in the Predator Hunting section on what was legal vs. ethical. It seems some folks have indicated that there is no room for ethics in hunting.

It's very fortunate your friends wife understands--heck--even I get turned off by the behavior of some that call themselves 'hunters'.

My point is that we can't afford to offend any more people like your aunt and take them from the pool of non-hunters to the ranks of the antis!

Tim
 
I just wish they would either enforce it all the time or forget it. They seem to always find something wrong out here where I am at. Either your rifle is too big or not big enough to hunt with, wrong colored shirt with the pants you are wearing, etc. They never cite you but always gripe about something you are doing. So I just do what I know is right and stay on our ground to hunt.
 
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