Cross ruled unconstitutional

Well now... how do the citizens feel about footing the bill for a $1 million award to the plaintiffs...the lawyers are getting compensated over this squabble.. the judge is... ahhh I think if you look around that cross a lot of money is changing hands...

Things tend to work in cycles; drought, wars, false evangelicals.. I remember the late eighties and those who defiled the cloth building their mega empires with names like the Bakkers and Jimmy Swaggart.. I think someone wrote a song about it;

 
Originally Posted By: swampwalker

So I suppose a Muslim group could put up a statue of Mohamed in a park and you'd be okay with that? If not you're simplistic hypocrite. If you want to setup a huge cross put it on all that tax free land the churches have. Seems simple enough

I'm not even going to waste time comparing a bike trail to a religious relic...


So what you're saying is you are offended, if not you're simplistic hypocrite.
 
Originally Posted By: Infidel 762Well now... how do the citizens feel about footing the bill for a $1 million award to the plaintiffs...the lawyers are getting compensated over this squabble.. the judge is... ahhh I think if you look around that cross a lot of money is changing hands...

Things tend to work in cycles; drought, wars, false evangelicals.. I remember the late eighties and those who defiled the cloth building their mega empires with names like the Bakkers and Jimmy Swaggart.. I think someone wrote a song about it;




Award to the Plaintiffs was $1 split 4 ways, if the attorneys were working Pro-Bono they lost their asss on this one. The judge was a member of the Jaycees when they erected the cross, he honestly didn't feel it should come down, but case law was established by the Supreme Court. He had to uphold the law, but he didn't have to like it; and he as much told them so in damages awarded.
 
Originally Posted By: Rocky1
The judge was a member of the Jaycees when they erected the cross, he honestly didn't feel it should come down, but case law was established by the Supreme Court. He had to uphold the law, but he didn't have to like it; and he as much told them so in damages awarded.


Man there's nothing I hate any worse than a dang judge that is stupid enough to uphold case law that was established by the Supreme Court.
Just who the heck do those guys think they are anyway?
 
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Originally Posted By: Rocky1
And, if it cost $5,000 a trip to paint it, that's $50,000 costs incurred over 50 years.





Better go back to remedial math. That would be $250,000
 
Originally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Droopyfur2
Until the Socialist Democrats take over completely and we have Communism, Right??

Droopy, you need to try and pull your head out of your crack.
We have worse things to worry about in this country than Social Democrats and Communism.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...997#Post3073997

We're just waiting on demographics to change.

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What happened to respectful discussion?

In two comments you went from discussion to insulting Christians (again) to personal attacks.

He is right. Facts are facts.. Socialists and Communists have killed more than any other ideology. We are talking about hundreds of millions, and that list keeps growing.
 
Originally Posted By: crapshootOriginally Posted By: Rocky1
And, if it cost $5,000 a trip to paint it, that's $50,000 costs incurred over 50 years.





Better go back to remedial math. That would be $250,000

only if they paint it every year. He said every 5 years, and that would be 10 times
 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZOriginally Posted By: fw707Originally Posted By: Droopyfur2
Until the Socialist Democrats take over completely and we have Communism, Right??

Droopy, you need to try and pull your head out of your crack.
We have worse things to worry about in this country than Social Democrats and Communism.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...997#Post3073997

We're just waiting on demographics to change.

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What happened to respectful discussion?

In two comments you went from discussion to insulting Christians (again) to personal attacks.

He is right. Facts are facts.. Socialists and Communists have killed more than any other ideology. We are talking about hundreds of millions, and that list keeps growing.

T-Bone, I didn't insult or attack anybody.

I admit I could have chosen my words better by saying Droopy needed to pull his head out of the sand, but what I said was not intended as an insult or an attack in any way. If he took offense I will sincerely apologize to him.

Maybe you didn't look at the link I posted in the reply to Droopy. It's about Christianity becoming the second most popular religion-behind Islam-in a relatively few years.
It's probably the only thread where all of us have agreed on here in a very long time.

And I'll show you a good example of an insult so you'll be better equipped to recognize one next time:

Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZBut i find that as likely to have happened in the past month as any atheist being anything but toxic compost.

That one covered a whole segment of the population, and took all responsibility of a personal attack or insult away from the poster.

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ha, you insulted Christians that follow mega churches two posts before the insult directly to Droopy and you didn't say sand, you told him to pull his head out of his crack.

Look at your last post and the quotes it shows your revisionism.

I don't know where you found that specific quote but it's not from this thread. All the same what religious value did i knock or belief did i offend? are there values for an Atheist since that must be what you are claiming you are, and if so where would you find that moral guidance to read up on?

Aside from the idea that you die and become compost according to atheists, and if your an organic you would know that by using yourself for compost your produce wouldn't be organic due to the chemicals in your shell. (it is shell right or would you prefer vessel)




 
Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZha, you insulted Christians that follow mega churches two posts before the insult directly to Droopy and you didn't say sand, you told him to pull his head out of his crack.

Look at your last post and the quotes it shows your revisionism.

I don't know where you found that specific quote but it's not from this thread. All the same what religious value did i knock or belief did i offend? are there values for an Atheist since that must be what you are claiming you are, and if so where would you find that moral guidance to read up on?

Aside from the idea that you die and become compost according to atheists, and if your an organic you would know that by using yourself for compost your produce wouldn't be organic due to the chemicals in your shell. (it is shell right or would you prefer vessel)







You mean this specific quote?

Originally Posted By: Tbone-AZOriginally Posted By: swampwalkerI don't know. Perhaps Lyle wasn't banned , but raptured

If he was, good for him. But i find that as likely to have happened in the past month as any atheist being anything but toxic compost.

I found it on the last post here:

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...580#Post3074580

And you're grasping at straws and trying to make it look like I'm attacking Christians.
I was talking about the feel-good evangelists changing the face of traditional Christianity. Rocky and I agreed on my point, and if he saw it as an attack on Christians he sure didn't mention it to me.

And there was no edit on my original comment to Droopy. It's still there for you to see. My later comment said the word "sand" would have been more appropriate and I apologized if he took offense with the original comment.

I think I made all of that perfectly clear.
You don't seem to understand that, and I can't explain it any better.

And don't even bother addressing the "toxic compost" comment. Your meaning was clear, and your explanation is lame.
The additional "moral guidance" comment just makes your insult more obvious than it already was.
 
Originally Posted By: crapshootOriginally Posted By: Rocky1
And, if it cost $5,000 a trip to paint it, that's $50,000 costs incurred over 50 years.





Better go back to remedial math. That would be $250,000






Originally Posted By: Rocky1-- About the only true cost to tax payers would likely be the cost of painting it every however many years, which it's not unreasonable to believe that somewhere in the 5+ year range, maybe more dependent upon paint used. And, if it cost $5,000 a trip to paint it, that's $50,000 costs incurred over 50 years.


Thank you T-bone.

 
Fact is I could care less what they do with the cross in Pensacola, it is quite simply the fact that a radical faction came in and took something away from a lot of good people, for no damm reason.


Andre Ryland and David Suhor - Really don't know what they want to be, first they were Humanist, then they were Unitarian, then they co-founded the local Satanic Temple. They make a habit of disrupting City Commission Meetings speaking loudly over religious groups who have the floor, failing to abide by meeting decorum. They claimed they were going to continue to disrupt the meetings, and file suit against the city if they were not allowed to give the meeting invocation. Suhor had given the invocation twice previously, but his argument was, that the Satanic Temple hadn't been allowed.

Ryland was invited to give the invocation, with stipulation he not make a media circus of it, so he issued a press release. Then was upset because his invitation was rescinded by the commission chairman. Making Ryland's trip through the long list of non-religion religions and taking down the cross even more impressive, is the fact he only lived in Pensacola 4 years, during which time he had to drive almost 5 miles out of his way to be disturbed by the cross in the park. He and his mate muffy enjoy entertaining other couples according to his meetup.com account. Ryland is 68, and apparently isn't into Facebook, but his Twitter account would paint him a Bernie Supporter.

Suhor has harassed not only the Pensacola City Commission, but also the Escambia County Commision, the Escambia County School Board, and the Okaloosa County School Board. He was finally allowed to give the invocation after continued disruption of City Commission Meetings, video of which even made the Washington Post. Feel free to go take a peek at y'all's hero boys...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/nat...6f96_video.html


Oh yes... Last month he decided to call himself an "Agnostic Pagan Pantheist", and his Facebook page was obviously a little over the top, Facebook has shut it down.


Andreiy Kondrat'yev - Claims to be from Russia, was supposedly a Physics Professor at UA- Birmingham. Although he's pale and pasty white he supports the Black Lives Matter movement, is a staunch supporter of the green movement, gloats about using the law to take the cross down in Pensacola, FL but is absolutely grumpy about the police telling him that his group had to have proper permits and insurance to serve food on the streets in Buffalo. He alleges the police were simply picking on their "radical group", bullying them; that they had served food there for ages. (HELLO!! The cross had stood in Pensacola for 50+ years!) Andre is into a number of the radical causes if you look up his Facebook page, and looking for a political idol to have his picture taken with, he chose none other than Elizabeth Warren!

OH YES... It seems Andre and Amanda were divorced before leaving Florida, and moving to Canada, although they both moved to Toronto, Ontario, CA, and according to Amanda's Go Fund Me page, Andre is $20,000 behind in his child support. Amanda and the children are living in a homeless shelter, because she can't afford rent and utilities, but her social worker told her she needed to move out and find something to rent, it would work better for her welfare check. Or, whatever they call their entitlement checks in Canada.


Amanda Kondrat'yev - is a real class act! https://www.facebook.com/AmandaKondratyev/ - Be sure to check out the highly intelligent selfie video of her standing there making stupid faces at the camera, for the world to see, for however long. But, it was the Democrats' fault that they didn't support her in her bid for Congress.


Has nothing good to say about law enforcement, has nothing good to say about white people although she is Caucasian, she has nothing good to say about anything honestly. Everything on her Facebook page exudes negativity. She attempted a run at the Florida District 1 Seat on the US House of Representatives; and has nothing good to say about Democrats, because they wouldn't support her either. Supports about every radical movement currently in the news if you go far enough through her page.


While a few of you choose to suggest this is some kind of anti-religion victory for you, you need to pull your heads from their rectally fixed positions and look at the underlying issues here. You have 4 loosely wrapped radical activists that have waltzed into a community of Church going people, and took something away from them all, with the court's help. They sit on their social media accounts and gloat about how easy it was to impose their beliefs upon an entire community of believers. Just like a few of you here are gloating about how easy it was for them to impose their beliefs upon an entire community of believers.



What's next gentlemen?

Are you going to sit back and talk smart about how wonderful the court system is, and what a victory it is when those same radicals come after your guns? What about when those radicals take control of government, and they will eventually take control of government again; are you going to think it's really cool when they take everything you've worked for all your life to amass, to redistribute it to the less fortunate, who don't have a damm thing because they've never worked a day in their lives? What about when they make it legal for pedophiles to enter women's restrooms where your daughter or your grand-daughter are subject to be? What about when they want to implant a tracking chip in the back of your head? Take away your retirement? Take away your medical care?

Way back a long long time ago, my mother used to tell me on a real regular basis, you are judged by the company you choose to keep; you should choose wisely. For the benefit of those of you gloating about this cross coming down, you really need to go look at those individual's social media accounts and internet stories surrounding their actions, and then do some serious soul searching if you're going to sit back and gloat with that crowd.



 
Your post reminds me of a couple of different 'sayings' I have heard over the years, Rocky.

"Politics make for strange bedfellows." and "Show me who you're with and I'll show you who you are"

"Guilty by association" could also be thrown in there.

For perspective though, I hope that I am always cognizant of the fact these apply to me as well.
 
What I can not understand how 4 people can take something away from thousands of Christians and other folks that did not find the cross offensive. Why do we stand by and let this happen? It is just like the worthless lazy folks that are on welfare, that can work but will not, get more benefits all the time. They just cry a little and we give in. There are millions of working class people that just stand by and let it happen. Pretty soon someone will try and take all the white crosses off the graves of our men that were killed in war. Will we stand up then or just let it happen.
 
Look, just because they could be radical doesn't mean they're not right in this particular case. You see, some of us are not brainwashed into picking a particular paradigm. I don't need to pick a "team". It's a better strategy to follow the truth.

As entertaining, though as it is, to watch the spiritual wars between cults that believe in fictional characters, It crosses a line when those that don't belong to said cult, pay for their toys.


I already asked this, but the question was sidestepped. " Would you be okay with funding the maintenance of a statue of Mohamed on public property?" If not, then why?
 
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Only those that claim others are brainwashed but refuse to see reason and the mission of those pushing this should reflect on who is actually brainwashed or just filled with hate..

The clear hatred of religion or those that choose religion is obvious to those watching. The actors pushing this and their ideology doesn't seem to bother some as long as they are sticking it to a religious symbol/group. Really funny to see someone use the religious freedoms of our country to stand around bashing on religion. Insults to those with values that are more reflective and bigger than the individuals ego, doesn't influence or impress those with convictions, it just shows them who they are dealing with.



When Reflecting upon ones values or just being a jerk about insulting others, one should realize where this aligns you and how it may conflict with other principles each of us have.
 
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