I bought a Howa 1500 for $350, mounted a Vortex Razor hd lh, that i had laying around. Called in a male about 75 yards and hit him with hornady 40gr vmax (factory ammo) and he was DRT. Absolutely no pelt damage from what i could see. I have 4 boxes of factory hornady that im using and i currently load developing with 40gr vmax and benchmark powder.