#95383 - 02/07/05 10:13 AM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Predator Master
Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 90
Loc: Anson County,N.C.
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Thanks Rich,I'm going to order your howler call,I want to be a PM in this area ,not many people doing the yote thing now.Five years from now I can see it being a big time sport.
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#95384 - 02/08/05 05:53 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Die Hard Member
Registered: 04/21/01
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#95385 - 02/08/05 07:08 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Retired Moderator
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 7135
Loc: Western Iowa
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Greenside, There very well could be a female invitational howl. I know that a famous western caller put some labels on a few coyote vocalizations and sold em to the public. There have been studies made by educated people who claimed they figured out somewhere between 7 and 12 different coyote vocalizations. Right now I only find three or four coyote vocalizations that interest me and are valuable to those who wish to call coyotes with a howler on regular basis. The most important ones are listed above, and will call many coyotes to those who are willing to give em a serious try. The so called "warning" bark in my own opinion is not to warn other coyotes away. To me it is only a frustrated coyote that wants to come on in, senses something ain't right and stands back at a distance to bark. After you hear it a few times, you will recognize the sound of frustration in the bark. To me, the various coyote barks and howls are only different levels of anxiety or aggression being expressed. My howling technique has changed a little bit over the past few years. As the coyotes teach me more, I try to pass on what I know. The coyote most likely will never reveal ALL of his secrets to us lowly humans. 
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#95386 - 02/08/05 07:22 PM
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#95387 - 02/09/05 07:26 AM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Registered: 04/20/01
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Loc: Western Iowa
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Greenside, As you know, there isno absolute answer to that question. I remember Gerry Blair writing that he has worked a coyote for upwars of an hour, and the coyote finally came in. I am assuming that you are getting a challenge bark/howl in response to your efforts, but the coyote refuses to come any closer. This often means that your coyote is standing on the territory boundary line. In that case, you have the choice of moving in on the coyote or coming back another day and setting up closer to the spot where your coyote hung up. I usually choose to come back another day. If you are experiencing a coyote that is standing over there out of sight and barking in frustration, chances are that he knows something is not right. If you are hunting with a pardoner, sometimes you can continue calling while your pardoner makes a wide circle and sneaks in on the frustrated coyote to give said coyote a pill to quiet him down. 
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#95388 - 02/09/05 09:12 AM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Die Hard Member II
Registered: 02/07/04
Posts: 1022
Loc: irvine, ky.
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Mr. Cronk, I have a closed reed howler that sounds really good and is easy to make diffirent voculazitions on. I have called in coyotes with it, however, it sound more like an older dog. Have you ever, or would it be possible to make a cow horn howler, close reed, perhaps with a short horn, that sounds like a young pup? kyray.
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#95389 - 02/09/05 10:59 AM
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Registered: 04/20/01
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Loc: Western Iowa
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kyray, I could make you one like you describe, but you could save a lot of money by howling with a crit'r call standard, or most any of the decent open reed predator calls. 
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#95390 - 02/09/05 02:23 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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KyRay, Just thought I'd tell you I have a cowhorn howler that I use frequently but more often then not I use a critr call standard as Mr. cronk said. I used it last week at lbl to call in the coyote I took. They make various pitch howls very well with a little practice just not as loud as cowhorn which is sometimes a good thing. I recently bought a package of 3 critr calls at there site for $33.00 shpng. included a critr call pee wee ,standard,and magnum. It was a good deal for the three and they make all kinds of sounds from birds to elk . zapper 
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#95391 - 02/09/05 03:31 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Die Hard Member II
Registered: 02/07/04
Posts: 1022
Loc: irvine, ky.
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Thanks Zapper.
Mr Cronk, please check PM. kyray
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#95392 - 02/09/05 06:04 PM
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Seasoned Member
Registered: 01/24/05
Posts: 253
Loc: pa
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does any body use a criter call song dog?
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#95393 - 02/09/05 07:08 PM
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Die Hard Member
Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 665
Loc: Oklahoma
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Crittr'calls are great.Rich's killer call is also great. Good high pitched howls and kiyis.(Rich I had to give it a plug  ) CrossJ
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#95394 - 02/17/05 08:08 AM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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New Member
Registered: 02/10/05
Posts: 4
Loc: Northeast Pa
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Hey Rich or Anyone That Can Help!
I hunt in an area in Pike County PA and I haven't seen a rabbit there in about 10 years. Am I wasting my time using a rabbit squeal? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated as I am new to the Coyote calling world!
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#95395 - 02/17/05 04:56 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Retired Moderator
Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 7135
Loc: Western Iowa
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Landis, The rabbit in distress crys will work most of the time. It really makes no difference to the coyote what he hears crying. He just hears an easy meal, he is curious what is making that distress sound and or he just plain feels like killing something.  Problem right now is that the coyotes are breeding, so may well come to the howls quicker than they will to crying little critters. .
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#95396 - 02/21/05 08:24 PM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Junior Member
Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 39
Loc: Triangle area of N.C.
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Rich Being new to this and having just purchased a critr call standard, how go you go about making a howl with it? Bigscot
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#95397 - 02/23/05 04:38 AM
Re: Howling for coyotes
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Die Hard Member II
Registered: 02/07/04
Posts: 1022
Loc: irvine, ky.
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Mr Cronk, I am really liking that cow horn howler you sent me. I've tried several cow horn howlers and yours is by far the best, easiest to use and one of the best looking too boot! Tthe tape you send with your calls is a great help also. I have been practcing on the killer call as well and am starting to get the hang of it as well. Thanks. kyray
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