I receive a lot of questions in regard to calling coyotes with a howler. Here is a simple method that will work all year around. I like to begin my calling stand with two or three lonesome howls which are spaced several seconds apart. Using a high pitched howl like a younger coyote seems like a good idea. If the following link works, you can click on it and hear one example of a lonesome howl.

After your series of lonesome howls, simply wait in silence for about three minutes. If you don't have a coyote show up or answer back with howl of his own, simply repeat your lonesome howl sequence. Wait another three minutes in silence. Still no customers? Give em some pup squeals.

During your first series of howls, you may well get a vocal answer from a resident coyote. Most times, that coyote is warning the stranger to get the heck out of town. I call this a challenge howl, and here are a couple of examples.

When you get a vocal answer to your howling, try to use your howler to say same thing that the real coyote just did. Coyote gets very upset when he is being mocked like that.

Appreciate those great sounds and tips Mr. Cronk. kyray

Hey Rich,
Great tips as usual! Do you ever throw in a rabbit distress after the lonesome howl or after a challenge howl has been returned?

Riccu,
I use the pup squeals myself, but other guys are using rabbit distress with good results.

Thanks for the tips!!! Just yesterday I was wondering about how to do what you just
discribed.

I still havent called one in yet but im still reading an learning from this forum... im sure my time is comming closer with every tip I learn from here...
Thanks

[/QUOTE] my time is comming closer with every tip I learn from here...
Thanks Thanks from us newcomers in NC!!! working on ubb codes ,i'm getting there

BeaverMaster Here,
After establishing successful contact (Constant returned calling) with a pack of Coyote's have you ever had a problem getting them to move from a particular location or ridge top? I have had alot of success in pressured areas moving to them rather than having them come to you. Is this a typical technique you have used? Whats a strategy to get them to move to you? We have been playing the wind and crawling the last 75 yards to bring our position within 75yards to 100yards of the pack and then positioning a shooter around the caller so that when the pack does charge we have a man in position to intercept the pack before they move in or wind the caller (Safety position). The problem with this is its a time consuming (crawling the last 75 yards can take up to 1/2-1 hour while trying to maintain contact) and difficult strategy but it works to get the pack to charge our position. The problem is the risk of detection when moving within close range, especially during the charge by the pack they usually split and circle from both sides. So I was wondering if there is a technique that can entice them to move to us, rather us to them? We have packs come to us with success but in late season situations moving the pack in pressured areas is at times difficult. Moving in on a talkative pack really gets them to charge and leave their position, but I would like to have an option to try before having to crawl in . We have had a 90% success rate lately but would like to have other options (easier) if possible. Thanks TheBeaverMaster

Getting the pack closer. We had them coming in, but might have been set up wrong. A field was in between us and them. They would not cross the field. They were mad and wound up. While we were calling and switched to a rabbit in distress, A pick-up truck drove down the railroad tracks and quieted the whole situation.

Also, called one into the area and saw the eyes at night but did not shoot because I wanted to make sure it was not a deer. It did as they are known to and went down wind. He never looked back at the light. No barking at us but just left area?

BeaverMaster81,
I have had that happen a time or three alright. Sometimes it is because they are on the edge of their territorial border. Other times it is simply because they think something is wrong, and they ain't quite brave enough to come closer. You are correct in assuming that there are times when moving in on them is the only option. I almost always hunt alone, so waiting for another day and setting up in slightly different location is usually my choice. Does it always work? Nope, but a man has got to try don't he?

Hi Rich
Would love to hear the howls but can't get the page to come up.
Coy-East

my problem is i live and hunt in a populated area and when i start to howl i have every domestic dog in the neighborhood barking at me. So i find it difficult to use howls, however i would like to try more because nothing else seems to be working.

Vmax blaster. Howling is working for use and we too get the local dogs yapping. Just let them yap. Oh and getting out of the dogs yard helps .

Skinner 2

Duplicate post. back button yea right!
Skinner 2

Thanks Rich
If it’s OK I will add those to my library.
I have to get me one of your howlers.

GOOD SOUNDS

Stumped

Stumped,
You have my permission sir. Folks with new Loudmouth or Fox pro callers whould be able to load the sounds from the computer, and directly into the caller.

When I try to open up any of the .wav files, they download in about 1min. (dialup), then when they have downloaded I get an "access to device path denied". What the heck is that?

The above links seem to be playing on "Quick time", at least they are on MY computer. Try downloading Quick time and try that.

What's everyone's thoughts on howling at night? I only do it in the daytime.

ALLEGANREM17 I have no luck with them at night. But then again I have no luck in the day either.

They work at night in Southern Michigan.

Skinner 2

ALLEGANREM17,
Howling at night is a good technique to use during spring, for purpose of locating den area's. This time of the year I don't howl until I am ready to shoot the coyotes. Since I don't hunt them at night very often, my howling is done in daytime.

Rich,
I have been listening to howls on Randy Anderson's video and I finally downloaded yours from above. I've heard coyotes my whole life but never really listened to them until now. This morning I gave it a whirl and just after first light, in an area I heard some howling a couple weeks ago, I let loose with my best lonesome howl. I got a response from what I would guess to be a male with what sounded like your aggressive sounds, several barks and some aggressive howls, from about 4 or 500 yds. Before I could respond the whole pack cut loose close by to the male for 20 seconds or so. I was able to return my best rendition of the same agressive howls but, I thought, sounding younger. I then used the KIYI. They never did show.

It sounded to me like the dominate male was telling me to "stay back" that "he was running this pack". The wind swirled on me a time or two and that may have given me away.

Will coyotes respond in much the same way that maybe a herd bull would? Giving you a response to warn you and then pushing his herd away from any threat. I know they don't always come in, but they reacted in such a text book fashion compared to your above comments that I was pumped expecting them to be on top of me. And It was pretty unlikely they were able to circle me without me seeing them. I also don't think they have been pressured by any other callers.

Will coyotes respond in much the same way that maybe a herd bull would? Giving you a response to warn you and then pushing his herd away from any threat.

Hobbes,
I believe that momma coyote will sometimes guide her young away from danger during early summer when she is teaching them to hunt. I don't think they really give a hoot what happens to other members of the family at this time of the year, except for their chosen mate. We as humans, can only guess as to what coyotes are thinking. The last time I experienced a scene such as you describe, it turned out that there was a very deep gorge between me and the coyotes. One thing I am fairly sure of is that the aggressive coyote you heard, was calling you some pretty bad names.

Rich, I've been howling for just a couple of years and have a couple of instructional tapes, and have a hard time telling an interrigation howl from an invitational, could you explain the slight difference to me or maybe put a female invitational howl on-line so i can listen to yours. Thank you.

vmax_blaster,
Listed to my lonesome howl, and use that sound for your invitation. Listen to my challenge howls and use one of those for your interrogation. I will likely get some flak over the next thing I am going to say. I have seen very experienced coyote men mistake a male challenge for a female challenge howl. Old male coyotes sometimes have very high pitched squeal at end of their challenge howl. Old female coyotes sometimes have a low pitched, throaty howl and make you think she has to be a male. That is why I have dubbed my own howls as young coyote or old coyote rather than male or female howls.

Is howling O.K. when hunting bobcats and coyotes from the same stand?

turkeylizzard,
I would not howl when trying to call cats. I know that cats do sometimes come in, even after a howl but I personally would not do it.

Thanks Rich,I'm going to order your howler call,I want to be a PM in this area ,not many people doing the yote thing now.Five years from now I can see it being a big time sport.

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Greenside,
There very well could be a female invitational howl. I know that a famous western caller put some labels on a few coyote vocalizations and sold em to the public. There have been studies made by educated people who claimed they figured out somewhere between 7 and 12 different coyote vocalizations. Right now I only find three or four coyote vocalizations that interest me and are valuable to those who wish to call coyotes with a howler on regular basis. The most important ones are listed above, and will call many coyotes to those who are willing to give em a serious try. The so called "warning" bark in my own opinion is not to warn other coyotes away. To me it is only a frustrated coyote that wants to come on in, senses something ain't right and stands back at a distance to bark. After you hear it a few times, you will recognize the sound of frustration in the bark. To me, the various coyote barks and howls are only different levels of anxiety or aggression being expressed. My howling technique has changed a little bit over the past few years. As the coyotes teach me more, I try to pass on what I know. The coyote most likely will never reveal ALL of his secrets to us lowly humans.

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Greenside,
As you know, there isno absolute answer to that question. I remember Gerry Blair writing that he has worked a coyote for upwars of an hour, and the coyote finally came in. I am assuming that you are getting a challenge bark/howl in response to your efforts, but the coyote refuses to come any closer. This often means that your coyote is standing on the territory boundary line. In that case, you have the choice of moving in on the coyote or coming back another day and setting up closer to the spot where your coyote hung up. I usually choose to come back another day. If you are experiencing a coyote that is standing over there out of sight and barking in frustration, chances are that he knows something is not right. If you are hunting with a pardoner, sometimes you can continue calling while your pardoner makes a wide circle and sneaks in on the frustrated coyote to give said coyote a pill to quiet him down.

Mr. Cronk, I have a closed reed howler that sounds really good and is easy to make diffirent voculazitions on. I have called in coyotes with it, however, it sound more like an older dog. Have you ever, or would it be possible to make a cow horn howler, close reed, perhaps with a short horn, that sounds like a young pup? kyray.

kyray,
I could make you one like you describe, but you could save a lot of money by howling with a crit'r call standard, or most any of the decent open reed predator calls.

KyRay,
Just thought I'd tell you I have a cowhorn howler that I use frequently but more often then not I use a critr call standard as Mr. cronk said. I used it last week at lbl to call in the coyote I took. They make various pitch howls very well with a little practice just not as loud as cowhorn which is sometimes a good thing. I recently bought a package of 3 critr calls at there site for $33.00 shpng. included a critr call pee wee ,standard,and magnum. It was a good deal for the three and they make all kinds of sounds from birds to elk .
zapper

Thanks Zapper.

Mr Cronk, please check PM. kyray

does any body use a criter call song dog?

Crittr'calls are great.Rich's killer call is also great. Good high pitched howls and kiyis.(Rich I had to give it a plug )
CrossJ

Hey Rich or Anyone That Can Help!

I hunt in an area in Pike County PA and I haven't seen a rabbit there in about 10 years. Am I wasting my time using a rabbit squeal? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated as I am new to the Coyote calling world!

Landis,
The rabbit in distress crys will work most of the time. It really makes no difference to the coyote what he hears crying. He just hears an easy meal, he is curious what is making that distress sound and or he just plain feels like killing something. Problem right now is that the coyotes are breeding, so may well come to the howls quicker than they will to crying little critters. .

Rich
Being new to this and having just purchased a critr call standard, how go you go about making a howl with it?
Bigscot

Mr Cronk, I am really liking that cow horn howler you sent me. I've tried several cow horn howlers and yours is by far the best, easiest to use and one of the best looking too boot! Tthe tape you send with your calls is a great help also. I have been practcing on the killer call as well and am starting to get the hang of it as well. Thanks. kyray

Bigscot,
Hold the barrel of the call between thumb and first finger, with reed on top. Place reed end of call in your mouth and press down on reed with your lips. About midway on the reed is good place to start. Now hold reed down by lightly pressing your upper teeth on said reed. Close your fingers over end of the barrel. Blow easy, harder, easy and open your hand as you blow. For higher pitched howl, simply slide your teeth closer to reed tip and try again.

I have just started hunting for coyotes in West Virginia.I also have been howling and keep running into the same exact
problem.After they answer they never respond.Most of what I have to hunt is rural heavy timber so that complicates things even more,I am at my witts end!!!

Hello, Mr. Cronk, I really like the cow horn howler I got from you last week. Haven't had a chance to take it to the woods yet. I have a question though. If coyotes are not verry vocal in the day time will howling in the day time give you away? Can I howl all day? I know that just after 1st light and just before dark are the best. Thanks Scott

wvyotehunter,
I believe that howling works best in first couple of hours of daylight and also last hour or so in evening. They will come all day long, but I am usually taking a lunch break and maybe a nap during mid day.
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Pbeets,
When you have a coyote howl back at your efforts and then he goes shutmouthed, it often means he is on the way in. Try waiting in silence for a few minutes, and if he don't show up, hit him with pup squeals. In heavy cover it is also easy for them to circle downwind, catch your scent and leave without your knowing it.

I love the looks of the cow horn design.

We howl to locate them sometimes and then we toss the dogs out on em! HAHA

Where I hunt, I purposely try to get the domestic dogs to howl. After they kick in, the coyotes follow and then the fun begins

after you have done your lonesome howl sequences how long and how loud should you do your pup squeals or coyote pup distress? I also have a question about my howling maybe you can help me. I've had some luck with the coy/wolf barks and howls on the preymaster by playing only the first couple sequences then waiting. I've also howled with my MADD howler while playing the coy/wolf barks and howls and almost always get howls back but never called a coyote in this way. In order to get the sound I like on my madd howler it has to be loud for me to do it right and the preymaster sounds like it is about half as loud. What do you reccomend for a howler that might be effective when I know the coyotes are close enough to here me or is being to loud something I should'nt worry about? Thank you for your time.

rem600cowboy,
Coyotes sometimes howl pretty loud themselves, so I don't worry about howling too loud. With the puppy squeals I will usually give em a long series of yelps every couple of minutes or so.

I have a domestic dog howling on a CD. Would playing that attract a coyote's interest? I also have some domestic dogs barking. Before I blow a stand, what is your opinion?

CA Desert Dog,
The coyotes I have known, didn't seem to be afraid of domestic dogs unless said dogs were chasing them. The barks and howls you mention may work if you had a way to start and stop the sounds via remote control. Constant howling or barking would not be natural. With coyote pups being born at this time, the dominant male coyote will not allow other coyotes or domestic dogs anywhere near the den. Momma coyote will protect her pups also. The sounds you mention, if played at correct intervals may bring you some action. I however, will stick with coyote howls and pup squeals. Now if I had a good decoy dog------Hooo Boy!, I wish that I did.

Rich,Do You use electronic, or are You using a mouth blown call?, I just started calling about two yearsago and realy like the thought of using mouth blown calls.I started when I lived in Indiana,I haved hunted groundhogs for about 35 years then about three years ago I started seeing them and thought I would like to give it a try. Then I moved to south centrial Florida, just could not get in the mood no snow and the pelts are not whorth a darn down here.Well enought was enought, I have bought 20 acres in Tennesse mostly pastures and alittle woods surrounded by woods and open hay fields, should be the ticket.I would like to know what works for everybody else so I could give them a try. Thanks for the info Daryl

I do alot coyote vocal's, and not just for locating them either. I called my first in 9 years ago using pup barks and KiYi's. Been using them ever since.

Hi Everyone!!

Is Northern Minnesota classified as the East? I used to hunt coyotes for 10 years in Colorado. I just moved back to MN a few years ago. Howled in a coyote last Saturday evening, and now I am hooked once again.

Seems like a great bunch of guys here, goo luck calling everyone!!

Mark

DARYL_W,
I haven't been out much yet this year, I'm still trying to regain my stamina after the bypass surgery. To answer your question, when I am calling open country I use strictly mouth calls. Here in western Iowa, most of my calling is done in or very near to thick cover. In this situation I use both electronic and mouth calls. I have some pup squeals on my Bandit caller. I set the caller fifty yards or more cross-wind of my chosen setup. My howling is done on a cow horn howler, usually two or three lonesome howls. After waiting in silence a few minutes I repeat the howls, wait a few minutes in silence and then hit the pup squeals on the Bandit.

Hobbes,
Sometimes we can do everything right and still get skunked. I don't see anything in your post that tells me you screwed up. Sounds like I would have handled the situation in same way you did. We all have questions about coyotes. Keep after em, you are doing good.

What is the best time of day to hunt Coyotes? Morning, late afternoon , or after dark? I live in Central Virginia.

Thanks,
mark

have an area i dear hunted this past year for the first time.was walking in , in the dark with my buddy and the howling let lose out in front of us a few hundred yards, went on for a couple minuates, then went silent for a good 10 min. and it was still dark in the am , after the ten min silence a pack let loose several hundred yards south for a bit. across the road behind us. would this other group be the same pack messin with us, or another group mouthin off to the first one? the sound was weird like several of them all at the same time. was pretty cool. not the first time ive had that happen in that area in the predawn darkness. are they vocal like that cause were in they're territory, or just a case of the right time right place? and how would you hunt that area, several hundred acres of mountain laural swamp surrounded by a stone quarry, and wooded hills with looging trails, and the quarry not in use from fall to spring?

nightrider82664,
Night hunting is likely best where legal and you are properly set up for it. We can't use lights for night hunting here in Iowa. I like early morning as first choice, with late afternoon being a close second.

broknaero,
What you heard was group/yip howls. It sounds like you heard a second family group answer with their own group/yip howl. How I would hunt it would be to scout the area for good calling locations. I prefer calling from high points where I can look down into the area where I expect coyotes to be holed up for the day.

What does a young coyote howl sound like? I've been practicing blowing on the calls trying to get a feel of how to make different types of coyote vocalizations. I think I could make a female interagation howl or a puppy howl.....but I'm not sure of the cadence, pitch, rythm, etc.

Thanks,

Perri

http://photos.championtannery.com/cronk/lone1.wav

The above is one version of a young coyote "lonesome" howl. I recorded it with one of my own calls.

Thanks Mr Cronk.
I actually saw that version in another thread and have used it to practice with. :-)
Am I on line in thinking that the young howls are higher pitched and not raspy?
Perri

High pitched and not raspy? Yep!

can you explain kiyis to me rich or link one for me to listen too! i went hunting yotes for the first time saturday, and i was the best sounding caller of the 2, and would like to pick up on this some more! i do know how to do the lonesome call, and the challenge. but i keep seeing everyone talking about kiying and i am not sure of what it is. thanks ps.. not sure of the group/yip howls either!

Not to still Riches Thunder but the ki YI is a sound a coyote or dog make when its in pain or suffering so to speak and is a sound often used when more than 2 coyote are called in to a stand after one dog has been shot or killed callers will use this sound to get the other coyotes to stop by making them think there mate or companion has been hurt or needs help
I first herd this sound when I used a shock coller on my dog (I am still sorry BUD) he is a Chocolate Lab and my son was playing with the remote for it in the truck on the way Pheasant Hunting and little did I know it was on 10 power
anyway in the field hunting and up pops a doe deer and Bud was hot on its tail so i did the dirty deed and let him have it after i about went horse trying to call him back
it was a RRRUUUURRRT RRRUUUURRRT sound over and over
I am positive every one has herd this sound when a dog makes it
But back to the coyotes I called in a pair one morning in a pasture I was facing the wind and they where headed strait for me after lip sqeaking them in from about 75 yards to about 20 I let out the old wooooof woooof they stoped and I wounded one in the leg and it was doing the something bit me spins so I let out another shot and hit it right in the hind end while its mate was about 50yds away on a dead run
the other way, after the coyote hit the ground it started yelping kind of like my dog did but with a little higher pitch KKKKIIIIIYYYYYYTT KKKKIIIIIIYYYYYYTT over and over
But I noticed the other coyote had stoped and was tured looking back at its mate to see what was going on the was the worst mistake of its life at about 70yds it droped in its traks with a little help from the .223
so you see a KI YI is a dog or yote indistress in a way but its a great way to get a got away yote to stop or can be used just to get there mind wondering what is going on over there and I have seen them come to check it out or i gess to them see why there is a coyote in distress

thanks for the info!

BozDog nailed it!
http://photos.championtannery.com/cronk/hurt%20pup.wav

In the situation you just described , I have had luck moving closer and using pup distress. Don't overdue it just enough for them to hear it. If you got in there without out them detecting you, there is a good chance they will come.

I just found this thread. Lots of helpful information in here for a newbie like me. Thanks guys!

I have got my new foxpro fx3 loaded with coyote sounds, The bad news is my arm is in a sling if there is anyone wanting to go out this weekend I just need someone to be the shooter I am In crawford county Ohio If so email me @ killallcats@hotmail.com Tony

Tony, Some of us are meeting Saturday morning in Coshocton, Ohio to do some scouting and a little hunting. We are scouting in prepartion for a group hunt on the 10th. I'm a newbie myself but some experienced callers are running this show. Your more than welcome to join us. We are meeting at 8:30am at the Mcdonalds on the corner of 2nd street and 541 in Coshocton. We will be heading over to the Woodbury Wildlife Area. Something like 20,000 acres. Check out the Woodbury hunt thread.

Windows Media Player works on the links for me. Thanks, great stuff!

What sort of call would one use to get a low pitched bark like is on the one titled "new challenge"

I used a cow horn howler to make all sounds used in the demo links. I no longer advocate the use of barks while calling. Younger and more timid coyotes might be intimidated by the barks, and therefor less likely to approach.

One of the things that no one has spoke of is if two or three guys hunt together, and all of them howl. This technique works really well.

The key I found is to sound like immature males, and when you challenge, sound like an immature male.

When a pack of coyotes think that a group of immature males has moved in on their territory, they come in multiples.

Be sure that you have the wounded pup call handy for when you shoot, it just gets them to pour on the steam to get there faster.

I may make a 45 minute to an hour stand when I have a group working like this.

Good luck, and find a hunting partner that would love to learn to howl.

It may help that various kind of howlers be used by different guys. I avoid the deep soundiing howlers unless I am challengiing a boss dog to come in and fight.

I've tried 3 0r 4 howler calls and have found them all very hard to use. Can you recommend a good easy to use call?

Thanks for the great tip.Someone on this site always comes up with new ways to call and hunt.I sure giver a try.

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would anyone have any idea on what howls to use, i think it is breeding season and would like to know wich howling sounds to use at this time of year
TT

Check out Carvercalls.com,he makes gorgeous and great sounding howlers,his calls are exceptional,i'm not saying other callers don't make better sounding,ask around.

I have 2 cocobolo howlers from him i orederd by accident,they both are alike,grain a bit differant,really gorgeous,i can sell you one for $30,i can send a pic,PM me if interested.Free shipping.

Oiler, ordered 2 howlers by accident? Funny, you can buy a top grade cocobolo howler from the Carver website for $24.95. Shipping included. Not $30.00.

I once set up and started calling, starting out with a lone howl, I repeated this in 5 minutes waited 5 more and went into a rabbit distress. I scaned slowly around and saw a bobcat in the 10lb catagory 80 yards looking at me. I dont know how tuff he thought he was, but I know how tuff he would need to be to steal a rabbit from one of these big eastern coyotes. I let this cat walk do to size and a one cat limit in lower Michigan. This took place in January with a heavy snow falling, little to no wind at 2:00 in the afternoon. I have never before or since called a cat with howling involved, and almost always hunt in good cat areas.

Hey guys, im a noobie kinda to howling anyway and I know that the yotes are breeding now so I have some questions reguarding the "female invitaion howl".

How much do you use it at a stand. Do you let it run for 2-3 "howls" or do you let it run for a "set" amout of time, say 5 min?
When a yote replies to the female invite what should you do? Howl back using the inve again or start up with a distress sound? Or would you do a male challenge howl or a lonsome howl or what? Im open for everyones info.
thanks
carl

i like the group howl

I have some Info for the hunters of PA, The female invitations are made from christmas till jan 15th. and then theres a lul in vocalizations till mid to late feb. Then they seem to start talking again.

Great post Rich,i been howling eveynight when i get home and had not one cote respond,within the last month or so.could they be quite this time of year since they are starting to drop there pups,or most likely i am howling wrong,howling takes alot of practice,really any open reed,i try to practice as much as possible.If they do respond all the domestic dogs in my area start going bersrk and can't hear if a cote is singing,LOL.

When out locateing at nite the coyotes are not going to answer you every time. I usually have my best luck when the sky is clear and no moon and very little wind.. I also found out my hearing is'nt the greastest so i take my 10 year old son along when out locateing and he can hear them over 3/4 of a mile away. Once located then i move around and get closer so i can hear them and then I can tell how many there are and if there are any young ones in the bunch..
Howling is a usefull tool but it can also ruin youre stands. dureing the summer and early fall the pups will tend to shy away from howling. Most are still trying to establish there own territorie or maybe still with mom and pop and they are'nt looking to get there butts kicked yet..
The howling will work to get in the older coyotes but animal distress sounds would be best to use if you are after the yoy and then you may also get an adult to respond also...
I like to use rabbit distress on my stands first and as a last resort go to a howl.. but if i'm targeting older coyotes then i use just coyote vocals and this is done later in the year...T/[beeep]

that happened to me the other night, that coyote was mad, but wouldn't come in to range. next time i'll have the rifle not the shotgun.

I would sure like to hear those sounds in the first three threads of this post by Rich Cronk, but when I try to open any of them I get a white screen saying "DNS ERROR." Anyone know how I can get to listen to these?? Sure would appreciate any help.

Jim

DNS means the server is down or is no longer available.

Most of the links to sounds that I posted earlier in this thread have been lost. There is a lot of talk about coyote language out there, which is good but can also confuse a guy. The two most important coyote sounds to use when calling coyotes to the howler are the lonesome howl and the pup squeals. Here is a link to one version of a lonesome howl http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/lonehowls.mp3
and here is another http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/moldedHwlrlone.mp3
pup squeals http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/moldedHowlerPup.mp3

Thanks Rich that is helpful. I appreciate that very much. Thanks again.

Jim

Does anyone know about what volume level should be used if using a siren to locate the dogs?? My friend and I went out last night using his Fire Siren. I tried to muffle the siren some (stuffed a t-shirt in the horn and turned it upside down on the ground) because it was so ear piercing from ten yards away, this seem to really help however it was still loud enough to carry through the valleys here in Eastern West Virginia. We know the coyotes are traveling this area very heavily from the amount of tracks and droppings they are leaving behind. We just aren't having any luck on trying to locate them.

Also forgot to add that after calling sequence no dogs answered except for some neighbors dogs way down the road..

I have never used a siren for locating, but if I did I would run it at full volume.

Out west, my experience has been that I don't usually get a vocal response when I howl, except from rancher's dogs maybe almost a mile in each direction. That doesn't mean there's no coyotes, they still come in.

In fact, it seems when I do get a vocal response from coyotes, they don't usually come in. That's just my experience. Also, I don't get one coyote to verbally respond back to my howls, it's either several dogs or none of them.

The coyotes in my area are not very vocal but do howl when the cities 9:00 whistle blows.. I have gone out and located them at nite by howling and just use a lone howl and howl twice and wait 10 minutes then move on. One thing i found out when out locateing that not all howlers are equal. For my coyotes i found that the howlers that are a little more higher pitched get more responses than other howlers i have that are on the lower side.. if you have a couple different howlers give them all a try and see which one the coyotes prefer to answer to. One howler i have very good luck with is the Ed scerry howler.. Good luck..t.a.

Good stuff Rich, thanks for posting it for us all! I have
one of your dvd's, it was very entertaining!

Hey Rich went out with Al Prather sunday night and got to hear your howeler.Man that thing sounded great.We had yotes howling back at us all over the place.That will be the next purchase for me and a couple of my buddies.Guys I am telling you if you need a howeler ask mr. cronk abiut his new one he has out and man it is small but the yotes love it,

I would like to put in a plug for Richs' cowhorn caller. I have own and it puts out a nice loud howl, a howl that seems to carry better than my other howlers. Great for those windy days. I just got back from Nebraska and had a few days of high winds. The cowhorn was the only call I used during those days, with a foxpro as a secondary call.

If you are scouting for coyotes, a great sound to try is red fox pups or red fox in distress. They will come to these sounds and react very aggressively...

I'd like to revisit this issue of using a siren. I tried (More times than I can count.) unsuccessfully to get responses from coyotes (locating packs) with a lonesome howl. Then I read about using a siren. I bought a mini-siren and gave it a try. It elicites a response more often than not. It has a volume control (1-10) from full(ear piercing!) to very low.
I am thinking of using the siren several hours before daylight to locate coyotes on the same day that I will hunt(call) at daylight. By doing so I will KNOW that coyotes are in the area I am calling. The howling I do while hunting will be different from the siren so I am thinking that having used the siren just hours before will have no negative impact when I call at dawn. Have any of you done this? Your thoughts?

Has anyone ever used the Foxpro Coyote locator howl with any success?

+1!!!! This combination has been dynamite for me this year...

After all of the nice things you guys are writing about my calls, I may just have to come back here more often. I'm glad they are working for you.

I have used the Foxpro Howling dogs with some success. I
haven't tried the locator yet.

My son and I got our 1st coyote couple weeks ago with an FX3 and a JIB starting with the locator call. Started at 540pm and dog was down at 545, might have just been right place at the right time, but it worked for us!

Mark

I usally stick with distress calls, but Im going to give the howling a try. Now what Is the best time of day to get them with the howls? Also I located a few yote the other day useing some howls If I go back there will they more than likly be In the same general area?

I usually start howling around Jan/Feb I have called 3 using a combo of distress/howling. They say yotes are pretty territorial come this time of year, so I try to use a more high pitch howl to more simulate a female/young dog.The ones I have called in with this combo never howled back before they came in.

You can howl at any time, coyotes don't know what day it is let alone what month it is. If you use the correct howl, it will trigger their territorial defense instict to come to defend their turf, (food source).

Thanks fellas. Im most deffinantly going to give this a try. What about were I located those yotes the other day. If I go back there will they still be there?

howling works sometimes. i like the E.L.K howlers they sound awesome

i hear them howl right at dusk, and sometimes in the middle of the night, havent heard them howl too much in the morning. the coyotes ive been hearing usualy howl in the same direction every night, maybe a couple hundred yards off at a time. should be able to call them down a hill over another and threw the woods into the field were my distress calls are! ha

had one come in from behind me the otherday

MAYBE Depending on whether they are where they like to den-up, or just one of thier hunting spots. For instance we have a pack that hunts the airstrip close to our house, but not every night. Coyotes can have several hunting spots, and rotate from one to another every few nights. They may not be there when you go, but could be the next night, or next week.

Is it better to howl earlier in the year, or to use distress? Seems to me that howling would be kind of aggressive towards the pups..Maybe just use pup howls?

When my brother and I howl we usually start off with a locator howl and if nothing happens we answer ourselves with a younger coyote howl. If that doesn't work we'll do a coyote seranade together using our mouth calls (sounds pretty cool!). If we do get a pack to answer us we try and listen to see if there is a dominate male howling with them. That's when we challenge him....usually, he'll challenge back and we'll get into a pissing contest with each other for about five minutes or so. We stop calling when he stops calling cause by that point he is usually moving in.
We've waited as long as a half an hour before seeing anything. I think that the trick is to pique his curiosity and then shut up. If he/she stil hasn't shown up we'll challenge each other (the callers). One will play the dominant male and the other an upstart young male. After we do that I'll chime in with some ky-yis an make it sound like the young one got his butt kicked. That usually brings him in. It's pretty cool watching a big 'ol male coyote coming in with his hair all bristled up!
Hope this helps somebody!

Have a ?? for ya on here I was out tonight 12-28-2010 around 1630hrs just doing some interrogation calls you know the long howl that tapers off at the end anyway I made about 4 howls I was back about 1 mile on a state game lane road and I heard two yips way off in the distance out in front of me then I made 2 more howls and I started to here this whinny whimper sound from the same place I had heard the yips from. Then the whimper sound was off to my right but closer and then behind me and even closer... Anyone have any idea what this was I was thinking a female but have yet to get a coyote to talk back to me... Oh very green to coyote hunting....

Thanks Joe Danville PA

Police01,

Not 100 percent certain, but that whimper sound you heard sounds like Foxpro's "Female coyote Whimper". Your lonesome howls are very good to use all year around. I see way too many posts where guys are playing every coyote recording they have out there on one stand. With howling, it is important to sound natural if you know what I mean.

My next ?? would have to be while howling I find sometimes the call will break up and I will get kinda I call it the pubescent coyote is this ok ?? I feel maybe I am wrong but not everything in life is perfect so I don't think every coyote makes a perfect howl every time.... Please correct me if I am wrong in thinking this....

Yep, probably some yoyo with a Foxpro caller hiding in the bushes just screwing with ya.

Great tips cant wait to try them out on my next venture out

"don't think every coyote makes a perfect howl every time."
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You are correct Mr. Police. I have heard some pretty pathetic howls that were made by real coyotes. If I get a sour note when I howl, I try to follow it up with another howl and hope it sounds better this time.

Thanks for the tips Rich... The howls are being done by my buddy's Foxpro Spitfire now and sometimes I will sit off in the distance and howl back to him or he will play rabbit or fawn distress and I will howl and bark... So far no kills or even sight of coyote but we are thinking just keep hitting the site at different times we have seen fox and coyote tracks in the area... Thinking of throwing out a road kill as a bait pile... Hey new to this any info is AWESOME!!!!!

Tried 3 different spots tonite w/ my Flextone on Female Howl. 1st spot nothing. 2nd spot was a hit. I let it go through one sequence and waited about 2 minutes and nothing. Fired it up for 2 more sequences and waited. All of a sudden I heard 2 howl back and then started the barking. I don't how many it was but it almost sounded like 5 so I will just assume it was maybe 3 of them. I didn't howl back, I just let them be. This is a good sign for me. I have been scouting a few areas for 3 weeks and made a few hunts and nothing. I have seen plenty of scat and tracks and had a set narrowed down to where I thought they were. Seems like I was right and I found them tonite. Now I gotta figure out how I am going to attack them. I am starting to get frustrated. Other than calling in a gray fox I haven't had any luck. I am enjoying learning from this forum though. Thanks guys.

When I hit the links above all I get is different types of educational sourses. Why could'nt they have just taught us abought predator hunting in school instead of some of the bull they tried to.

Well, i've just started calling for coyotes this past december. my calling has been basically just limited to distress. Last evening was my first real attempt at howling. I started with a couple of howls, waited 3min, then gave a female invite call. It was probably 1-2min later he appeared 300yrds away. Now my question is, did he show up from the howling or the female invite howl? Oh, and he did not respond back just showed up.

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Well I guess you will never know which howl he came in to, but he did come in to your howling. Good job!

I like friendly sounding howls most of the time. Here is a friendly howl that I made with my own vocal chords last night.
http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/VoiceHowlRC.mp3

Coyote pups will begin to hit the ground soon, and howling will be the number one "hot" calling sound. Here is another version of my voice howl for you.
URL: http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/VoiceHowl7.mp3

Fantastic thread! I became interested in howling after giving it a try this past Thanksgiving break. I was using a rabbit in distress while night hunting and called in a fox (never got a shot). I was about to move stands when I thought I would give howling a try with a red dawg howler/crier. Never tried it before and wanted to give it a whirl. There was an immediate response of some local coyotes (and nearby ranch dogs). They responded a couple of times then quit. This thread has been a gem, full of info. Excited to get back out with new info and much practice in a few weeks.


Thanks,
WMR

Rich do u have a book of basics, like setups howls distress calls I need drawings of setups and wind direction to get a good idea on how to hunt coyotes. Also this night hunting hhis does it work(ie:how do u see)

Ashly,

I have never written a book on howling. The most important thing is to have a good idea where the coyotes will be when you begin your stand. Coyotes here in my area are out in the open fields at night, where they hunt for mice and such. Not long after daybreak, they head back to the thick stuff. Most of my calling is done from a ridge top, and I hunt during the day. Early morning is best, with the last hour before dark being a close second. I read posts where guys are howling way too much. Coyotes do not often howl in that fashion. I howl once, twice, maybe three times and then go silent for several minutes.

I have almost zero experience in calling at night. Night time calling works very well if it is legal to use a light while calling in your state.

HHHHHOOOOLLLLLLLYYYYYYY Macural, DUDE.............. Sir.
Have I got a LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOTT to learn.
Just saved your site.
Going to be reading for a long time.
Thanks again,
Gman

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Gman,

I have some howls that I recorded with my own vocal chords that I loaded on my Foxpro CS-24, and two or three of those howls are found under the preset buttons. E mail me if you would like a couple of those howls for your own use.

Thanks, I'll take ya up on that.
Let me get a couple things, that are pending out of the way, And I'll get back w/ ya.
Gman

I guess some of my links to coyote howls are now dead. Shucks I should be dead myself, but still hanging in there. The above link that is labeled "voicehowl7" is a good lonesome type howl to use on stand. This nest one is also a "friendly" howl which works quite well.
http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/WaveringCoyHowll.wav

Another good one.

http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/VoiceHowlRC.mp3

Definately going to incorporate some howling into my call sets after reading all this.

Mr. Cronk, mind if i ask witch FoxPro you recommend for someone new into electronic callers

astring,

Personally, I would bite the bullet and get the CS-24 standard. The only thing that bothers me is that presently their duets are recorded in stereo, so I was only getting half of the duet. I stuck em in my Cool edit program and converted the duets to mono. Now I get the full duet with my single speaker. I should call Steve Dillon and advise him of that little problem. Sure I could carry a second speaker to plug into the supplied speaker jack, but I am not big on carrying extra stuff along ya know? I am an old fashioned Grandpa who is set in his ways.

Now Possumal, who is even older than me---he carries enough junk to every stand he almost needs a wheelbarrow.

thanks for the info, any advice on electronic callers is needed

Hello Teeny,
Glad to see a PA boy Putting his time in. I'm new to the game and could use some calling tips. Been after some dogs for about 2 months now and can't seem to get it right. i'm hunting the night from about dark to 10 * 10:30. I have lots of sign and what sounds like a large pack vocalizing regularly. Have yet to eben see some eyes. I use an electronic caller with both distress and howling mixes.Been playing the wind and the weather with no luck. Heavily wooded mountains limit vision at distance. Any advice would be much appreciated!

Thanks,
Shadowhunter/2

Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum and coyote hunting. There's some great info on here!

I'm new to calling coyotes. I went to our property in Meigs co., Ohio and switched to howling last friday. I called one in on my first stand in the middle of the day. I was setting in a deer stand on the side of a hill in the woods. the area has patches of thick cover. I was using hand calls, two different pitch howlers, doing invitation howls. I also did some female whimpers with the higher pitch howler. I didn't get the kill because I hesitated for an instant. I found out the window of opportunity can be pretty narrow when hunting yotes. It came in and started to circle me out about 70 yds or so. It went about 3/4 of the way around me then circled back. I lost it in the brush only to hear it back in the area it came in from. The funny thing is it never went down wind which in this case was up hill from me. It disappeared heading back were it came from in the same leasurely trot it was in the entire time. I guess it got tired of looking for the source of the sound. I went out on 4 more stands after that 3 at night with some local hunters. We had plenty of Yotes answering our howls but No luck getting another yote in for a shot. Even though I didn't score on the hunt I'm excited to know I'm making sounds that a coyote will respond to. In other words I'm hooked!
I want to add that the Coyote I call in never made a sound the whole time. During the night hunts they howled like crazy.
Prior to this I out on was out on 5 stands over the last 3 weeks, 1 at night, in central Ohio where I live using distress calls with out any luck. I'm sold, I'm switching to howls for now.

Don't give up you'll get one.....it'll be like christmas you'll love it

cman962, it has been my experience that more coyotes come in silent than barking back. Makes me believe that a good number of them come in, hang up in the thick stuff, and just watch. If they don't see anything to support the racket they hear, they slip back off. Got to keep their interest so curiosity can kill the coyote.

Good hunting at ya!

Rich when I try to open your links all i get is this;

www.championtannery.com

I doesn't go to your sounds just advertizements for all kind of other things???

Exactly how we start our stands Rich and it gives great results. Thanks for putting that out.

This past hunting season my partner (Yote Yoda) & me started taking both of our callers (shockwave) to the field with us. Using one for our main calling and setting the 2nd one down short of where we are walking to. Once the action starts we'll use the dropped off caller to bark or howl at the right time and create quite a stir. Dogs that are hung up or simply watching in the distance often chime in thinking there are multiple dogs in the area & end up coming on in. We have turned many empty stands into dog producers with this.

When I first stated hunting coyotes I couldn't do any calls for sometime except the HOWL. I killed a lot of coyotes just howling. I've had a few howl back and come in but that's not the norm---they usually just slip in to check out the other coyote.

Barking and Howling has been one of our go to calls for 25+ years(YoteYoda, 4Paws & Possumal). We usally howl back an forth at each other two or three times the first ten minutes of each stand b4 we ring the dinner bell. We also howl once at the end of the stand and sit for 5-10 minutes b4 we exit. When a stand is over if we have heard howling back at us from a distance we close the gap and do another stand much closer to the area where we heard the howling.

My favorite trick with howling is going back to an area where I have killed a coyote in the last 12-24 hours and doing Lonesome Howling. We have killed a ton of coyotes over the years with this trick. Love to trick the Trickster.

As far as how much gear to carry during the hunt that's up to you. Some like to travel light some like to carry a lot of gear. IMO you carry every item that you need to have a successful coyote hunt. The basics to me our rifle, bipod/tripod etc, something to make sitting comfortable and some mouth calls or e caller.

Guys,
It sounds to me like some of you are howling too much. One or three lonesome sounding howls before going silent would work better for you. My old Champion Tannery links no longer work, and I don't get over here much anymore. Barking on stand is usually a bad idea because the barks may be perceived as aggression by the younger and less aggressive coyotes. Feel free to E mail me if you need advice about calling..
cronkcalls@cox.net

Man O Man... there is some good stuff here

Here are links to good sounds for howling up coyotes.

http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/VoiceHowlRC.mp3

http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/youngLonesomeHwl.wav

http://www.cronkpredatorcalls.com/sounds/PupKiyies.wav

I am new to this so im trying to find out out to do work this page.. but I have a few questions on coyote calling. Saturday I was out coyote hunting and I was using a rabbit in distress with no luck. so closer to dark I switched to a female long howl. and I had response right away. we went back and forth about 5 times and then nothing.. WHAT DO I DO NEXT? does this mean the coyote is on its way or not interested..... do I keep howling or do I shut up? help plz

Sometimes silence is golden at that point, pup distress works good too. Use the google search at the top of every page, you'll learn tons and be reading for years