We hunt predators ( Predator Masters )
So I think only Predator gun should be used.
what is a predator gun? a gun you kill predators with .
I don't care myself what gun you bring,, as long as its the gun you use calling...
If someone come out to the egg shoot with a fixed 36 X, you are just out to win a new gun because I don't know any callers carrying fixed 36 x

(Since a high magnification scope doesn't make a rifle any more accurate, it doesn't make the shooter better)
If it don't, why use it
what is it a high X scope dose for you???

I would think this was a egg shoot for predator hunters, why bring a prairie dog or target guns to a predator shoot.

All you have to do is just shoot and post pictures with dead predators and the gun you like to shoot at the egg shoot next year , I don't care what gun the guys use, as long as its a gun they call with.
You have a 50 cal, 30'' pipe with a fixed 32x on it .bring it as long that it your calling gun.

Just my 2 cent

And the dinner have to happen later at night

First off it doesn't say that the shoot is a:

PREDATOR RIFLE EGGSHOOT

it's billed as an Egg Shoot and any rifle that fits into the rules should be allowed.

Simple, make the rules to exclude the PD rifle and that's harder than it seems at first glance. What's a PD rifle? One with a heavy barrel, lots of people hunt coyotes with a heavy barreled rifle? A rifle that has been modified, be honest is a fully tricked out AR a stock rifle? It's a rifle with a wide forearm, have you measured an AR's forearm lately. Weight, again lots of people hunt with heavy rifles, weigh an AR, my hunting partner Bills relatively stock Ruger 77 weighs more than 10 lbs. Scope size, we constantly have discussion on PM about guys that call with big AO scopes and are very successful with their setups. Caliber, coyotes are killed everyday with a 300 win. mag. The point is, how do you make rules that exclude one type of rifle and includes another .... it's harder than you might think. Simply stated, lay the rules down and people like me will follow them.

Lets face it, this is not a cheap shoot and the prizes aren't cheap. Who can really fault someone for shooting the best rifle they have that fits into the rules. I have a better rifle that does not fit the rules and I never even cosidered using it. By the way, the rifle I shot last year has been used to kill Coyotes, PD's, Rabbits and other varmints. I must admit that the rifle had a different scope on it at the time, it was a 6x24 that's on another rifle now. I know this will be hard to fully understand, but the 36x actually made shooting more difficult due to a very limited field of view.

One of the reasons it took a while to have a competition of any kind at the annual hunt is that this is supposed to be fun. Start making long lists of rules to add to long lists of rules because someone is trying to gain an advantage even though they are following the letter of the law and the event will disappear.

The spirit of the shoot is as George Ackley said. Use a rifle that you would normally use for day to day calling. Not something that is set up to be within 1 gram of the legal weight or 1 cm of a legal measurement, or one that you have "killed" a coyote with just to say "Yep I killed coyotes with that gun."

Remember we are trying to encourage participation in these events, not discourage it. When it becomes more policing than enjoyment, it won't be around. Members just won't bother entering.

Have some fun with the thing.

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My problem was that I couldn't see the egg well in the 3x9 scope.

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The point is, how do you make rules that exclude one type of rifle and includes another .... it's harder than you might think. Simply stated, lay the rules down and people like me will follow them.

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Yep. I agree.

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I know this will be hard to fully understand, but the 36x actually made shooting more difficult due to a very limited field of view.

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That is why you don't see many on a calling rifle. The limited field of view should not be a big issue for a stationary target.

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First off it doesn't say that the shoot is a:

PREDATOR RIFLE EGGSHOOT

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No, the rules actually stated:

"We're talking about a hunting rifle competition here."

I think we lived up to that.

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I don't care myself what gun you bring,, as long as its the gun you use calling...

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All you have to do is just shoot and post pictures with dead predators and the gun you like to shoot at the egg shoot next year , I don't care what gun the guys use, as long as its a gun they call with.
You have a 50 cal, 30'' pipe with a fixed 32x on it .bring it as long that it your calling gun.

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I would feel comfortable shooting next or against any calling gun.

We are all from different part of the country and hunt different terrain ,
many of us use different guns and scopes to suit are calling area .
My point is I don't care what you use at the egg shoot as long as it's your calling gun.

The gun a I took to shoot is a Modal 1 sales kit gun with a 16'' sporter barrel AR 15 in 223 with collapsible stock, Witch I run 2 scopes on 1 fixed power red dot side scope and 1 top scope that's 16 x 18 x 40.
It's my every day calling gun 95% of the time.

To me the shoot was to show off my calling gun and how good I am with it.

While eating lunch I was thinking about the posts I made this morning. While I don't pull back on a single thing I wrote let me follow this up with this. I'm not whining about not winning, I broke an egg and that was what I set as a goal for myself. The guys that won deserved their wins, it was good to have the privilege to be able to watch them. This is a discussion about rules and how to narrow them down to the point where everybody feels that everybody is playing fair. I feel good about the requirement for a scope that can go as low as 6x. But after thinking about it there are still people that call with a fixed 10x scope, how can we make it fair for that guy .... I don't know the answer to that.

I also feel a need to add this. Last year when Leon set this game up he did fairly extensive testing with his rifles. He and his son shot a variety of them a H&R single shot, stock bolt guns and an incredibly accurate 40x. He found that with a 3 shot + extras limit ALL of his rifles were able to break eggs out to 400 yards. In the end it all came down to the shooter, not the equipment. Basically everybody has the equipment to win this game. I honestly believe that my win last year was probably 60% luck, 40% skill.

There has been much talk about the spirit of this match being this or that. While the soft and fuzzy edges of the word spirit may be a nice warm place to dance the hard edge of ANY competition lay in the way the rules are setup. We can't gig a guy for bringing the best equipment he has as long as that equipment falls within the rules. Honestly this whole discussion makes me feel like crap for comming to the match last year slapping down $80 for 5 shots, handicapping myself by 1 round and using a small calibe (223AI), with the desire to follow the rules and actually win. I almost never win a thing, it was a nice feeling, for about 30 seconds, right now I wish I'd given the darned gun back.

Lets face it, if your sitting at home and see a coyote out there dancing around at 500 yards, are you going to grab the 223 sighted in for 200 yards or are you going to grab the best shootin' 500 yard gun you've got?

hey this is mitch thanks for all the calls and me and my grandpa deno are looking forward for next year so be ready

It is all about the fun.
Thats the only reason I entered up.
Let me tell you guys...anyone can WIN this shoot!
There are some shooters in the bunch, but you'd be surprised at how shooting sticks level the field in a hurry.
It's worth the time and money to try it on.
You will thoroughly enjoy yourself.
Did I say it's all about the fun????

This is the rifle that I was talking about when I asked the question.

If it where up to me I would have no objection to you using that gun..
It's your calling gun and that's what you should bring, you calling gun.
it be ok with me if the rules stated bring any gun you like, just bring photos to prove that its used for calling.
like the man said this is for fun. and I think its a good chance to see every body's calling setups in action.
I bet you be surprised just how many different platforms and configurations of guns you would see and also hear the reason why they are like they are.

Since I lost the gun to Michael in the 2007 egg shoot I think I should at least put my in my 2 cents. My main concern tith the 2007 Egg Shoot was the welded stainless
steel non pivoting " sticks " that were stompt into the ground 8" to 10" by Michael. This to me was equivalent to shooting off a fence post.

In reference to last years (2007) shoot

First off I asked for a ruling on the sticks before I even used them and they were deemed acceptable. There was no requirement for the sticks to actually pivot. The darned things were to short from the beginning, I've tested my normal shooting sticks and shooting would have been easier if I'd just used them. The only reason I used them in the first place was because my hunting partner made them and they were the first things I grabbed when setting up. If you had said a single word to me about them I would have gladly used my other sticks.

Second - at the two hundred yard mark we were on a hard road and we couldn't "stomp them in the ground".

Shooting off the road



At the three hundred yard mark I stabbed them into the ground to show how soft the ground was and to make a joke, but pulled them out for the actual shoot, they would have been far to short to shoot from if they were stuck in the ground at all. During the shoot off I did not "stab" them into the ground at all, ever!

During the shoot off (Notice the sticks are leaning forward, the sling is stabilizing the front and the legs were on top of the ground):




If they stuck, and I don't remember if they did or not, it was from shooting off soft ground with the weight of the gun pressing down.

I noticed that in this years shoot (2008) most of the sticks being used were stuck into the ground, essentially supporting themselves.



Notice the sticks in front of me, notice I have a pair of sticks in my hand, I haven't touched the sticks at all. Notice the guy sitting next to me, his sticks are stuck in the ground. I was commenting at the time of that picture that the sticks were standing all by themselves and remembering the incorrect whining I heard lat year I pulled the sticks and used my own (edit: "my own" being a set of donated sticks I picked up before going to the line to shoot) making sure no one could accuse me of "stomping" them down. Yes, I remember the whining from last year.

My loss this year had nothing to do with the sticks, they were comfortable to use and very steady. I lost because my eyes weren't focusing well that day, I simply lost like others did, I'm not about to point to my equipment or anybody else’s.

Be-the-way, (I'm sincere about this) that was a pretty nice rifle you were shooting. Beautiful in fact. I couldn't help but admire it both last year and this year. Was that a 223 or something bigger? Nice scope to.

I hope we don't go much farther down this road.

The sticks we used this year could be used with or without the 6 inch extensions. That is why one seems so much higher than the other. The extensions worked for those sitting on a stool and without if sitting on the ground. I sat on the ground, but think I will sit on a stool next time, using a rest much like genisis was using. My crosshairs were waving all over the place. I just tried to shoot when they passed by.

I don't think this is about the relative length of the shooting sticks. The sticks were a good idea and we should do the same next year, also most of what I've heard about the rule changes make perfect sence. Next year will see some changes and the shoot should be even more enjoyable than it was this year.

But I want people to know that this isn't just a fun shoot for me. It cost far to much and the prizes are far to nice to consider it to be a shoot just for fun. Lay out the rules as are needed and I will come with the best equipement I own that still fits the rules with the intention of winning. That seems only fair, and a good rule for anybody comming to any type of competitive shooting expereince. ........ besides as Genesis already said, anybody can win this match.