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#3323087 - 06/01/23 11:21 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: TXCOONDOG]
GLShooter Offline
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Registered: 01/09/05
Posts: 5362
Loc: AZ
I shoot lots of wildcats that would have shoulder setbackband I can't use a standard die/holder interface. Some bumo shoulders back 10-20 thousands. I use a bench grinder to pull 0.010 tp 0.020 off the top. I don't care if it's perfectly even as it will never touch. I have had no chambering issues. We did the orig inal 243vLBC using 6 PPC dues and gender off about 0.020 on them. 10 reloads on many cases never caused an issue. On tge NXS using HAGAR brass I hold off about that much and have no problems. The grinder works for me. I am machine poor so do what I can. I turned my 223 KEE UNIVERSAL decapper down to 20 caliber with a drill and flat file.

Greg

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#3323099 - 06/02/23 03:00 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: arlaunch]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 18002
Loc: S. Texas
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If your getting case head separations, it isn't the brass it's your prepping technique. Brass won't separate if it fits the chamber. All manner of maladies can beset brass but case head separation isn't one of them if it fits the chamber. If loading the same caliber for different rifles I either set the headspace to each rifle with the same gauge or have different dies or different shell holder(ground to the correct headspace) for each rifle and keep the brass separated by rifle.

Over the years (60 yrs of reloading) I've found that running your pressures so close to the ragged edge that you start opening primer pockets aren't that advantages, slowing your load slightly or changing powders will get you the same accuracy. Opening primer pockets isn't very far from blowing primers and that can cause some serous damage. Yes I've opened primer pockets and have blown primers but try to make sure it is something I can avoid..


As stated above, case head separation can be caused by over-working your brass; that is bumping shoulder a bit more than necessary repeatedly will displace the brass (requiring trimming more often than would be expected may result). This results in thinning of case and often results in a visible "pressure ring" appearing where the solid case head joins thinner side walls of the case. It can also be detected by running a bent paper clip down case wall and an indentation can usually be felt before case failure occurs.

Soft brass does not cause case separation but can result in premature case head expansion/loose primer pockets after just a few firings. Of
course, excessive pressure can cause loose primers on the best of cases.

Originally Posted By: alf

Grinding shell holders for headspace is a new one on me.....

Generally, the reason to shorten a shell holder is due to a long chamber and/or die, which means the die bottoms out the top of the shell holder before the shoulder can be bumped back far enough to chamber the round.

Gunsmiths regularly take .010" off with no issues. You can use coarse emery paper on a flat surface to sand them down. Getting them perfectly flat is not required, as there's no reason to touch the die anyway.


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You have me curious as shell holders are pretty hard. What method do you use to shave the shell holders down to keep them flat and precise?


Bought my first loading press in 1954 and it still serves as my only single stage press. Herters shell holders are a bit softer than others and a bit thicker, not to mention almost impossible to find today. This proved to be a problem in bumping shoulder sufficiently used in conjunction with my set of RCBS dies. Faced the shell holder off in the lathe to resolve the issue.

Have run into the problem on one or two more shell holders of various makes since I sold my lathe and, while not necessary to hold 100% true, found that the drill press serves well (to save burned fingers)


just grind the head down on a 1/4" machine bolt as shown & use coarse emery cloth on a flat surface.


Regards,
hm
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#3323102 - 06/02/23 04:32 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: TXCOONDOG]
AWS Offline
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 6785
Loc: NM
C&H made a adaptor for the Herters presses to use standard shell holders, I have one on my Lyman TruLine Jr press that I use for trimming now..the Lyman used to be my go-to for reloading the bugs(Hornet and Bee), I bought a 7/8x14 head for it to use standard.dies.

C&H used to be homed in WI and was my go-to for reloading equipment. Presses, trimmers and powder measures were top of the line. I still use their trimmer and dies. They still have the greatest selection of dies of any company and great quality, I use their .264 to .260.bullet.swager.for my 6.5x58R Sauer which has a very tight groove diameter.

I just looked, they still list the Herters adaptor.


Edited by AWS (06/02/23 04:37 PM)
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#3323103 - 06/02/23 05:12 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: AWS]
hm1996 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/06
Posts: 18002
Loc: S. Texas
Adapter

Thanks, Erich, I do have one of those. The only problem with them is that you cannot prime using them, but I hand prime, so that's no issue. I load most of my ammo on the Dillons, but a few of my bigger cartridges still prefer the single stage for those.

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hm
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#3323109 - 06/02/23 08:46 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: TXCOONDOG]
TXCOONDOG Offline
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Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 1990
Loc: TX
Grinding the shell holder (used my bench vertical belt sander and grinding wheel) work like a charm and no more stressing the press.

Appreciate the info all.

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#3323695 - 06/21/23 10:44 PM Re: Starline Rifle Brass vs Lapua Rifle Brass Review [Re: TXCOONDOG]
Coyote-conquest Offline
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Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 387
Loc: Kentucky, US
I'm surprised about the Starline brass. It's not Lapua but I have thousands of 223 cases that I use for 3 5.56, a .223 and a 20 Prac rifles. Some with at least 5 or 6 loadings. I also have several hundred 6.8 SPC that I use in 6.8 and 6x6.8 with several firings. I have several hundred in Grendel that I shoot in Grendel and 6 ARC. And of course I have thousands of pieces of different pistol brass. I e never had a problem.

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