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#3321806 - 05/01/23 09:46 AM Coyote_Thumper-2023
coyote_thumper Offline
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Registered: 03/03/20
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Loc: WA
Alright, starting my own topic for posting my hunting activities now that baiting has its own forum.

Coyotes have kept their distance from my place for a while.

I did hunt a local farm this weekend that has had coyotes kill 4 goats in the past month. I did about 2 hours of calling and scanning but didn't see anything. I'll try again when time permits.

I finally entered the thermal arena with an AGM TM10 thermal monocular. $600 delivered to my door from amazon. A better model would be nice, but this is what I can afford for now and I think it will be a valuable asset for night hunting.

Here's a video I put together while testing it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZH15gU5rc

My plan is to use it for scanning for coyotes, raccoons, or rats. Then use digital night vision to confirm target and shoot.

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#3321812 - 05/01/23 12:02 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Posts: 9358
Loc: USA

CT, I recently purchased the same monocular. Like you, I think it will suit my needs. I basically just need to know something is out there. I donít need to see or count whiskers. A 384 resolution would be nice, but at $800 more than i paid for the TM10, it isnít worth it for my needs. I wouldnít want less than 256, however.

Good job on the comparison of monocular vs. rifle scope.

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#3321813 - 05/01/23 12:26 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Loc: WA
06: Thanks.

That was my reasoning too. My digital NV works well enough for me to ID targets and take shots about as far as I'd be willing to shoot at night anyways. But my rifle with NV and illuminator weighs 10+ lbs and has a narrow field of view. Scanning with that gets old real quick. I wanted something with a wide field of view that can locate potential targets and let me know when to turn on the NV and which direction to point it.

I did have an idea, it might work for rat hunting with an air rifle at least....The monocular has a camera tripod screw mount on the bottom. I found an adapter on amazon for $10 to go from gun rail to camera screw. So I could mount the monocular to an air rifle.

I can then live stream the video from the monocular to my phone. If I put the air rifle in a vise and shoot at a target, and then put a small dot (sticker or similar) on my phone screen at the location of impact. Then that sticker becomes my "crosshair" and I now have an improvised thermal scope. Zoom on the monocular would change the POI.

I might give this a try sometime.

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#3321814 - 05/01/23 12:37 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Loc: WA
06:

My 2 initial "complaints" with the TM10 are:
1. The viewing screen looks small to me. I was expecting it to look bigger through the eyepiece. I see now on the specs that this model has a .2" screen, but the 384 models have a .4" screen.

2. The refresh rate is 25hz. I see that the 384 models are 50hz. When panning, a faster/smoother refresh rate would be nice.

The advantage gain going from no thermal, to having a TM10 was huge. I'm not sure the gain would be quite as big going from a TM10 to a TM15 or similar.

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#3321828 - 05/01/23 05:52 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
wildflights Offline
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Registered: 01/10/16
Posts: 258
Loc: Washington Wet Side
You are going to love thermal! It'll make picking coyotes out of the brush much faster.

The FOV on my NV PARD's is about 20 feet at 100 yards. I'd been considering puting a crossbow rangefinder mount on the side of the airgun so I could line up the Pulsar xm30 with the PARD. I think it would make getting on target much quicker.
https://specialtyarch.com/product/quick-range-crossbow/

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#3321829 - 05/01/23 06:48 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
6mm06 Offline
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My main purpose for the TM10 is for hog hunting corn feeders from elevated blinds. For that purpose the TM10 should work fine, from my experimenting around home and the farm. I have a hog hunt planned for June so that will be a defining moment. Though I donít call coyotes as much as I used to do, it will also work for that at the close ranges I hunt here in the mountains. And another good use of the monocular is for security purposes at home. When the dogs go to barking I use it to scan the yard and perimeter.

I got my monocular for less than $500 shipped, so considering the price point and adequate view of the 256 resolution, I am not complaining.

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#3321880 - 05/02/23 09:49 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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WF: Yeah, I suspect so. I'm definitely enjoying it so far as I'm doing some testing with it.

If you try out that crossbow mount, I'd enjoy seeing photos of the setup and a review of how it works for you.

06: That's a great deal you found to get get it for $500. I got mine through amazon for $549. $600 shipped.

Last night I took the TM10 out and scanned around my chicken coop to look for rats....it appears that the rats have been successfully eliminated from my property for now, which is good, but it means I can't test the thermal on rats yet... I'm sure more rats will show up eventually.

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#3321949 - 05/03/23 12:31 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Actually the TM10 was $466, free shipping but I paid tax which brought the cost up to $491. The price has since gone back to $549.

I have used mine on dogs at home at a distance of around 75 yards, and deer at 100 yards plus. For closer ranges like that itís not bad.

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#3321962 - 05/03/23 09:26 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: 6mm06]
coyote_thumper Offline
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Registered: 03/03/20
Posts: 115
Loc: WA
Nice, you scored a great deal!

I'm going coyote hunting tonight at a small goat farm where coyotes have been killing goats. I'm taking a new hunting partner who has some very nice thermal scopes and scanners. Fingers crossed I don't get spoiled.....that could be expensive for me. haha.

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#3321982 - 05/03/23 02:16 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Best not look through his expensive thermal. Ha ha.

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#3322014 - 05/04/23 12:24 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: 6mm06]
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Registered: 03/03/20
Posts: 115
Loc: WA
Originally Posted By: 6mm06

Best not look through his expensive thermal. Ha ha.


Too late...I guess I didn't read your advice in time. Haha.

Expensive thermal.....WOW, it was impressive. I took my NV rig. He used a Nvision HALO XRF and we both used 640 scanning monoculars. We got 2 coyotes. He got them both. First one came in close but went beside us and I won't risk shooting sideways towards my partner in the dark. Second one was about 220 yds out. I lit up eyes in my NV scope but couldn't get enough illumination to make out the body. He could see it clearly through the HALO XRF and took the shot and nailed it.

I was using my ODEPRO KL52 IR illuminator. It does great from about 50-120 yds. But it just couldn't do the job at 220yds. I should have taken my coyote cannon with IR diode. I think that one could have lit it up enough for me to take the shot.

I expect to have some video footage to share soon.

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#3322053 - 05/05/23 12:09 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
wildflights Offline
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Registered: 01/10/16
Posts: 258
Loc: Washington Wet Side
Sounds like a good night out. That HALO XRF is top end. What model were the 640 scanners that you were running?

Lights...NV...thermal...thermal upgrades It's a slippery slope but a fun ride.

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#3322059 - 05/05/23 09:33 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
coyote_thumper Offline
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Registered: 03/03/20
Posts: 115
Loc: WA
Yeah it was a great night out. I was mistaken, the scanner I was using was a 388, not a 640. It was a Pulsar Axion XQ38 LRF.

The scanner my buddy was using was a Pulsar Helion (XP50 I think). I'm pretty sure that one was 640.

I think i'll be upgrading soon. My wife was much more supportive than I was expecting =) Reasoning that I spend so much time hunting at night, it will be worth it to have the right equipment. Budget of ~$5k (which includes the $600 I paid for the TM10). I'm considering options of returning my TM 10 and getting a 640 scope and upgraded scanner, or keep the TM10 and just get an upgraded scope.

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#3322070 - 05/05/23 02:40 PM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
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Registered: 03/03/20
Posts: 115
Loc: WA
Footage from the other night.

Number 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7G__yWzfD8

Number 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlOLLUzDNo

I was struggling with my rig. The field/marsh in front of us was full of deep grass and brush. As the coyotes came in I could see their heads bobbing up and down in and out of view. I just couldn't locate them in the scope of my rifle. It was frustrating. When the first coyote got close, I finally found it in my scope at a range that would have been perfect for me, but it promptly ran downwind of us and got on the other side of my buddy. So I had to give up pursuit of that one and just observed through the thermal scanner I had.

The second coyote was on the edge of the forrest about 250 yds out. I found that one in my scope but my Odepro KL52 IR illuminator couldn't light it up well enough to see. So I told my buddy to shoot if he had a clear shot, and with the HALO XRF, he did. I was observing through the Pulsar XQ38 LRF scanner. I could see the coyote, but probably wouldn't have taken a shot if that was my view through a scope due to lack of clarity.

My buddy was shooting a 6mm ARC. The second coyote gave a very loud THWACK report from the bullet impacting.

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#3322547 - 05/17/23 10:02 AM Re: Coyote_Thumper-2023 [Re: coyote_thumper]
coyote_thumper Offline
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Registered: 03/03/20
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Loc: WA
Thermal.....I finally joined the dark side.

I returned the AGM TM10 Scanner.

I bought a Pulsar Axion XQ38 LRF scanner and Pulsar Trail 2 XQ50A LRF scope from my buddy. I also have a Kopfjager Reaper Tripod on the way. It's amazing how much and how well I can see at night.

Last night my parent's dog was barking at something in the thick brush behind the horse pasture. I took the thermal scanner over there and did a quick pan of the treeline. I quickly identified 2 deer by their heads and the tops of their backs in the brush. They were about 80 yds away in thick brush, and it was starting to get dark. I couldn't see them at all with my naked eyes. It was pretty cool.

My buddy and I went back to the goat farm again, this time we got skunked during an hour and a half of calling. We did have an owl perch near the e-caller and watch it for about an hour. That was cool.

I have some relatives who are having issues with coyotes and rats. They live a couple hours away from me. I plan to visit them Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully I'll get some footage to share of successful shots.

I mounted the thermal scope on a Savage 11 in .20 Practical and got it boresighted. I'm hoping to shoot it and get it zero'd tonight.

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