Its unfortunate that sounds could send a predator running for the hills.

If you think about it, the caller manufacturers are more to blame than the bloodthirsty pirate that steals the sounds. They want to sell callers, so they give sounds away, which means that sounds have little value. Times change, someday the monetary worth of sounds may change, and you will have to buy them again. When that happens, don't buy sounds that cause predators to run for the hills.

With all the information on this site, one would think you could learn how to call a predator the right and proven successful way.

There are a lot of ways to call predators, I doubt there is any one "right and proven successful way" if there is please enlighten us. I know I don't call the same way everytime but rely on the terrain, wind and even time of the year to dictate how I call a stand. A lot of the people that come here do so to learn. Maybe you could help teach them something you've learned over the years.

Even if you had to pay for the sounds from the call manufacturers once they are on someone's caller they are fair game to pirate.

Wrong..The only rights to that sound is to the original purchaser. The Sounds the E-caller mfg's furnish on their callers are different. They have exclusive distribution rights of those sounds to be furnished on their callers as originally loaded.
Whenever you download any additional sounds from Foxpro or others you are agreeing to exclusive use of that sound to you the purchaser. Foxpro includes this "Sound Pack Agreement" with every download.
The artists also have this agreement with the purchaser.
You do NOT have the rights to give that sound away even if you delete your copies of it. You can't sell the caller with it on there either.

Not only immoral but illegal. All it does is rob the artist and those who've paid for their sounds.

Sorry if I you miss understood me, pirate(illegally copy).

At the top post on this page, I also said "it is both a legal and moral issue".

Gotcha..

I know not a lot can be done about it, but at least if we shame those who do it blatantly (here and other places) it might at least help to limit it.
I mean realistically, they ALL know it's wrong, but yet list e-callers with TT, EmFKay, BOSS sounds on them to sweeten it up..then get this..ask more for it than it sold for new and it's a steal...literally.

That's a pretty gray area, if someone purchases the sound and sells the caller with them on it, I see no problem. If he keeps a copy of the sounds for his new caller or just adds the sounds to sweeten the deal and keeps a copy for himself that is pirating. In the first scenario, the sounds are paid for and they are just moving on to a new owner, kind of like buying a record in a store, you are free to sell it at a later date, you cannot legally make a copy of it.

WOW, opinions are just that. And, facts are, in fact, facts. The fact is, how are you going to, separate the free sounds from the lease sounds, or any other sound, like, the not your sounds, from the ones I made with my hand calls? As sounds are not id'd in any manner that the ordinary user could determinate which is which. I've never signed any legal form that addressed sounds in any way.

So, my conclusion is, if its on my caller, They belong to me, plain and simple. If you would like to dispute that, prove they are not mine.

Legal and moral, if you copy those company supplied sounds off your caller and start selling them, the owner of those sounds can take you to court. If you produced those original sounds by either recording real sounds or recording your sounds from a mouth caller they are yours.

By purchasing a factory made game caller you automatically agreed to there copywrite rules.

This is from the manufacturer owners manual.

"This manual, the animal sounds stored in your caller, and animal sounds purchased from FOXPRO®Inc. for installation in your caller are protected by copyright"

For the sake of argument, which is what happens in a court of law. Let's say, I don't agree. You can show us where anyone ever won a case as described in this topic. Bill Martz spend a lot of money suing people over his sounds to no avail.

Sorry I'm not going to search case law. Copyright laws are well known, if you want to challenge them, go right ahead.

I'm pretty sure that unless it is a blatant violation of a company's copyrighted sounds you aren't going to have a problem but that is where the moral side of the argument comes into play. If you feel that it is ok to sell someone else's copyrighted sounds it is your decision to break the law and then where do you draw the line on breaking the law.

Well now. If the copyright laws are so well known, why don't you just explain them to us dummies??

For you.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=copyright+...B01&PC=U531

No thanks