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#3306445 - 11/14/22 09:29 AM Had a ND this morning
Coyote-conquest Online
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Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 386
Loc: Kentucky, US
I'm embarrassed about this but maybe this post will make other people think about firearm safety.

Came home from work this morning, opened my safe and was rummaging around, found a Timney trigger I had taken out of another AR I had sold a while back. I decided I would replace the trigger on my 20 practical. It would t take long.

The practical had a milspec that has the lighter springs from Joe Bob's. I think they are red and gold. Wasn't really a bad trigger but wasn't a Timney or any other great trigger.

Anyway I popped the pins out, took the trigger out, removed the grip and the safety. Put the new trigger in, some anti-walk pins and fired the trigger a couple times. It all seemed good so I threw it back together.

Decided I would grab a round, go outside and shoot just to function check it.

Instead of waiting to go outside to chamber it, dummy me did it right in the bedroom.
As soon as the bolt slammed the round went off.

I killed a couple pillows and a suitcase, Bullet hit the pillows, went through them and the wall in to the closet and killed the suitcase. It was a 40 gr VMAX. After the suit case the few pieces left lodged in to the drywall.
As soon as it happened it dawned on me that I forgot to take the set screw out of the grip screw hole and like a dummy didn't put the safety on.

I don't know why I didn't put it on safety before doing it. I usually do. I'd like to blame it on working a 12 hour shift all night but It was stupidity and is no excuse.

It happened to me outside one time with a Remington 700 a few years before the recall and Ive always been careful since. That one I had just loaded and went off when I closed the bolt. And no the trigger had never been messed with. That's for a different thread though

Luckily I just killed my daughter's Trolls Poppy pillow, another pillow and the suitcase. It could've been worse. I know I'll hear about it this evening when the kids and old lady get home.
So yeah I'm embarrassed but maybe this post will make somebody else think twice about gun safety.

Edit: For anybody who doesn't know. You can put a set screw in the screw hole of the grip to take up any slack in your trigger. You have to make sure it's adjust right or it can cause obvious problems

Edited by Coyote-conquest (11/14/22 09:59 AM)

#3306448 - 11/14/22 10:10 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Registered: 10/13/04
Posts: 11499
Loc: Morgan, Utah

Edited by reb8600 (11/14/22 11:18 AM)
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#3306474 - 11/14/22 07:10 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 6214
Loc: Nebraska
Glad everyone's ok, and thanks for sharing.
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#3306500 - 11/15/22 07:33 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
why Offline
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Registered: 08/29/14
Posts: 829
Loc: md eastern shore
Good warning, it's to bad our elected officials can't admit their mistakes. Glad nobody was hurt.

#3306522 - 11/15/22 11:49 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
Hibs Offline
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Registered: 11/15/11
Posts: 581
Loc: Ft Meade, MD
Even with the safety off, an AR doesn't just fire by the bolt slamming forward.

Either you depressed the trigger, or there is something mechanically wrong with your trigger setup.

#3306524 - 11/15/22 12:06 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
Coyote-conquest Online
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Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 386
Loc: Kentucky, US
If you would've read the post you would realize I originally had a Joe Bob's special in it where you put light springs and put a set screw in front of where the grip screw goes.

It came make a mil-spec trigger lighter and have almost no take up. If it's screwed in too far it will fire. Im not sure what it's doing but it's essentially pulling the trigger somewhat for you.
To set it you screw it in too far and keep backing it out until it sets and barely holds it. Then fire it a few times to make sure.

When I switched the trigger out I forgot about it being in there. So yes obviously "something was wrong with my trigger setup" I took it out and it was fine afterwards.
I debated on putting it back in to see if it works like it should with a cassette type trigger but the Timney is pretty good anyway.

Edited by Coyote-conquest (11/15/22 12:07 PM)

#3306547 - 11/15/22 08:08 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
crapshoot Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 23491
Loc: Henderson,Nevada,USA
Had one years ago after a long night of calling. Tired and not paying attention. The only thing that suffered was the roof of my suburban, my ears, and of course my pride.
Don't handle firearms when you're that tired. Live and learn. Thank God....LITERALLY that everyone was ok.
I carry a gun because a cop is to heavy.

Average response time for a 911 call is 10 min.
Average response time for a .45acp is 900FPS.

Remember, if you're not pissing off a liberal......You are one!
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#3306551 - 11/15/22 08:53 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
SlickerThanSnot Offline
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Registered: 01/31/14
Posts: 5957
Loc: stuck in a fence
i won't even talk about mine. but i have had a couple of em. felt like a total dipchit every time.
skeptical is what i am when told there is a dead coyote in certain far off pictures.

#3306570 - 11/16/22 12:58 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
Coyote-conquest Online
Seasoned Member

Registered: 02/01/18
Posts: 386
Loc: Kentucky, US
It makes me feel better knowing I'm not the only one. Ole lady has been giving me crap since
The suitcase was kind of expensive. I paid about $150 17 years ago at the Exchange when I was in the mil. It was still in great shape.

#3311128 - 01/15/23 09:13 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
pyscodog Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 16230
Loc: okla
Material items can be replaced. Family members nope. Glad everyone is safe.

Stay away from negative people, they have a problem for every solution.

#3311795 - 01/22/23 02:39 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
crazyyote Offline
Die Hard Member

Registered: 03/15/11
Posts: 746
Loc: ohio
Been there, done that. Fatigue was my enemy. Carelessness too on my part. Glad all is well.

#3311831 - 01/22/23 06:07 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
SnowmanMo Offline

Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 4403
Loc: Phoenix, Az
I think it's worth mentionimg that firearm are just machines. Parts wear out, parts malfunction.

The rules of firearm safety, treat all firearms as if they are loaded and ALWAYS keep it pointed in a safe direction, couldn't be more relevant than in this example.

I see no problems loading and chambering inside...but in the interest of safety, and to take it easy on your bedding...make a loading/unloading barrel. A 5 gal busket and some sand is all it takes.

Mama always said, coyotes are like a box of chocolates...

#3311833 - 01/22/23 06:40 PM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
jmeddy Offline
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Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 976
Loc: SW PA
Duct and some spray paint can “fix” the luggage—seriously though, thanks for the safety reminder. We all do dumb things.

#3312695 - 01/30/23 10:47 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Registered: 04/21/01
Posts: 17227
Loc: Missouri
Appreciate the reminder and am very glad nobody was hurt in the incident. I have had exactly one ND in my life (knock on wood). I was 13 years old. I broke the rule of no loaded guns in the house and bungled the unloading procedure of my new Christmas present Ruger 10/22.

Here is how my incident happened. I was in a hurry and had gone hunting after school out back and put off my evening chores. After a short hunt on the creek behind the house I hustled inside to put my gun away and get on with packing some firewood in and feeding some stock. I pulled the bolt back and ejected the round from the chamber of the fully loaded rifle and let the bolt ride back closed, dropped the magazine out, thinking the gun was now unloaded I snapped off the safety and pulled the trigger before I was going to stack the gun in the gun cabinet. You know the proper sequence of the unloading procedure and where I messed up. When I pulled the trigger I fired a Mini Mag hollowpoint from the reloaded chamber into the baseboard trim at the bottom corner of my bedroom wall. I guess the bullet buried up in the wall studs there and there was only a .22 hole to show for my dumb kid stunt. However, dad was ticked off! Probably scared him to death that I had done something so dumb. I lost my gun privileges for awhile and had some retro training for a good bit afterward from dad. The incident has never left my mind and I have been ultra careful since to never have another.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

#3312699 - 01/30/23 11:27 AM Re: Had a ND this morning [Re: Coyote-conquest]
grinder67 Offline
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Registered: 03/31/12
Posts: 342
Loc: north central IN.
I understand what happened but what does ND stand for?

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