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#3308277 - 12/11/22 01:04 AM WOA 3 gun 18" barrels
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Does anybody have any experience with their 3 gun barrels? I want a new relatively light weight barrel. It looks like this is their lightest option with out going custom.

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#3308381 - 12/11/22 11:06 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I'm surprised nobody has used them. I know their SPR barrels are highly regarded.
I went ahead and ordered the light weight 1.9 lb 3 gun barrel to replace my 18" Faxon barrel. Everything else that is light weight at WOA is OOS or has a long wait time.
I also ordered a 16" ARP .223 barrel just because. I have a 6.8 barrel of his that shoots great. I figured another .223 wouldn't hurt.

On another note I'm debating on building a .350 legend or 7.62x39 AR. I'll have to think about that more....

I'll be sure to post accuracy results from both WOA and ARP barrels when I receive them.

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#3308383 - 12/12/22 12:41 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I donít have any in that specific profile, but Iíd bet on it being a shooter. All my WOA barrels shoot great. Site says itís the same blanks as the others, just different taper and profiling for less weight. Let us know, thanks.
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#3308388 - 12/12/22 09:18 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I would have complete faith in anything John puts out, his stuff is pretty much the standard in Highpower XTC competition.

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#3308891 - 12/18/22 09:34 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Just to update:
I received my 18" WOA 3 gun barrel last week. I built it today. Ended up putting it in a Aero upper with a STNGR handguard. I really like them anymore. I just wish they would make a few more different styles of handguards. I have 4 or 5 so a couple are the same.

I topped it with a Diamondback HP 4-16. I also really like the HPs. I've acquired 5 or 6 of them in different magnifications in the last few months. I started with a 2-8x32 I bought of here in the classifieds. I thought it was great so I bought some more on clearance at a few places.

The only scope mount I had handy was a knock off Geisselle somebody at work gave me. It actually worked well.

Last night I had loaded up some 77 gr Nosler CCs and some 75 gr Hornadys with 24 and 24.5 grains of tac. I had done some reading and those were the loads most liked.

I shot 3 55 gr Vmax bullets that I had laying around loaded with x-term to sight in. It was pretty close..
After that I figured id go ahead and see how it would do.
The 24 gr loads were right over MOA. The 24.5 grain loads both shot great, well under an inch.
I'm very happy.
I had some Speer 50 gr bullets that were loaded with Benchmark that shot about 1/2". Also had some 50 gr Speer HPs that went flying every which way and we're coming apart.

I verified the 77 and 75 grain loads again and called it a day.
Temps were chilly in the mid 30s. I only shot around 30 rounds.
I'm very happy with this barrel. I'm sure once it's broken in It will shoot even better.

I'm still waiting on my ARP barrel. I have a side charging BCA upper for it and can't wait to compare it with the WOA. Hopefully I'll get it tomorrow.

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#3308892 - 12/18/22 09:34 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Double post


Edited by Coyote-conquest (12/20/22 08:40 PM)

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#3309066 - 12/21/22 01:18 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Good to hear, I have been on the fence about ordering a WOA barrel for hunting. Would like sub MOA accuracy out to 300, reasonably light. Don't plan on shooting the heavies with it, just hunting bullets.
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#3309069 - 12/21/22 01:59 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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When you get the ARP barrel, let us know how they compare with the 50-55gr loads. I know it'll be different for everyone, but would be nice to see.

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#3309186 - 12/23/22 02:58 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I will. I already received the ARP barrel. Looking with my bore scope I dont like it. The first 1 1/2" at the muzzle looks like something was inside it spinning. There is a spot maybe 1/4 wide wore around the whole barrel inside about an inch in then it's really scratched up in a few places and wore a little again right at the muzzle/crown.

It's all at the first 1 1/2" I'm not sure if it somehow happened when they profiled it or when they chambered it. I sent him an email telling him along with a video but so far I've heard crickets. It's Xmas so he may not be working

It may not effect accuracy. The weather isn't cooperating right now to check. Hopefully later this week I can get it out.

On the other hand the WOA barrel looked really smooth inside and out

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#3309227 - 12/23/22 03:38 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I also ordered a 16" ARP .223 barrel just because.


curious how it shoots also


Edited by Coyotejunki (12/23/22 03:43 PM)
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#3309239 - 12/23/22 05:50 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Originally Posted By: Coyote-conquest
I sent him an email telling him along with a video but so far I've heard crickets. It's Xmas so he may not be working


I was thinking I read somewhere that he sold his company due to moving to the Bahamas or somewhere of that nature and was unable/unfeasible to continue/relocate the business also.
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#3309251 - 12/23/22 09:51 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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He moved to the FL keys as far as I know. He is still selling the .223 barrels but let the other guy take over the 6.8 stuff.

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#3309260 - 12/23/22 11:14 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Originally Posted By: Coyote-conquest
He moved to the FL keys as far as I know. He is still selling the .223 barrels but let the other guy take over the 6.8 stuff.


Good to know, thanks.
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#3309740 - 12/31/22 12:12 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Another update.
I haven't got a chance to compare accuracy but I did get the ARP barrel out yesterday. I only had about 1 1/2 hours till dark.
I shot about 100 rounds just breaking it in. They were going in around a 5" group but I didn't do any kind of work up and had never even shot W748 before. They were loaded up with 26 grains of W748 topped with 55gr Noslers I had bought at RMR. All loaded in mixed brass. It could've been the bullets or the charge but it didn't like the combo.
I have shot the bullets before but come to think of it I don't think I've ever got a good group with them. I've always used them for plinking. I'll have to do a good work up to see.

I then shot some 77gr Nosler CC I had loaded with 8208XBR in FC brass. I shot 10, 9 we're well under an inch and had 1 about 1/2" away that made it 1 1/4" group.
This was all shot with another Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16x42. Again I can't tell you how much I like these scopes. I have 7 now.

It was getting dark so I was trying to hurry. Trying to let the barrel cool down was eating time. Last group was with some 50 gr Speer SPs . Not sure if they are TNTs or what. I'll have to look. They were loaded with 26 gr of BM. I also had them left over from another project. 5 shots right at an inch. Im Sure I can do better. It was so dark at that point I could barely see. I didn't think they would group at all.

All said I'm very happy with the accuracy of the ARP barrel and definitely recommend it . I did not really want to like it after I scoped the bore but it shoots very great. I'll have to scope it again to see if everything is ironed out.
Next up I'll have to do some proper load work ups for both the WOA and ARP barrels to see how they stack against each other but I'm happy with both

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#3309752 - 12/31/22 01:54 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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W748 starts to get crazy accurate in the 26.5-27.0 range in NATO chambers.

WSR primers lighting the fire make it just a little more accurate than other brand primers it seems.

What charge range did you run IMR XBR 8208?

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#3309854 - 01/01/23 05:46 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: arlaunch]
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W748 starts to get crazy accurate in the 26.5-27.0 range in NATO chambers.

WSR primers lighting the fire make it just a little more accurate than other brand primers it seems.

What charge range did you run IMR XBR 8208?
I'll have to look at my notes but I'm thinking it was 23.8 gr.

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#3310276 - 01/05/23 06:34 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Just an update. After spending the day working up and shooting loads I'm really surprised with the results. It's actually opposite of what I thought it would be. These were both shot using Vortex Diamondback HP 4-16x42 scopes
The ARP barrel is so far a lot more accurate. After scoping it when I first received it I thought for sure I had a shotgun. The last 1 1/2" of the muzzle looked horrible.

The WOA was beautiful inside and out. It was lapped and smooth. The trouble is I can't find a consistent load for the it. It will shoot a load fairly good at say .8 MOA or sometimes less but when I verify it it will open by an inch or more. I'm not sure what to think. I'll take it apart and clean it and put it back together making sure everything is tight.

The ARP on the other hand is a laser beam. Shooting 55 gr Vmax with Benchmark loaded and shot one round at a time out of a magazine. I always let the bolt slam home each time. I do it to make sure I don't get a flyer on the first round.
24.5gr-.921 MOA
25gr -.789 MOA
25.5gr- .654 MOA

10 shot group of 25.5 grains was .942 MOA. It just stacks them. I have no doubt this is as good as I can shoot.

25.3 gr of Varget with 69 gr TMKs shot .82 and .79 MOA. That load was pulled from Sierras accuracy load. I would definitely recommend the ARP barrel to anybody looking for a new barrel

I did a full work up with Ramshot X-terminator and some 55 gr Nosler FBSPs I got from RMR a few years ago. Went for 24-26 gr in increments of.3. I couldn't get them to shoot better than 2". I'm pretty sure it's the bullets. Oh well.

I'll update this again after I rebuild the upper with the WOA barrel. I really hope I can get it shooting.

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#3310318 - 01/06/23 06:12 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I wouldn't count out the WOA barrel till you get a couple hundred rounds thru it. I have several barrels that were very frustrating at first but after a couple hundred rounds settled in to become tack drivers. Edit to add: I wouldn't be too concerned with thoroughly cleaning it unless I was changing bullets. (switching from VMAX to TMK's etc.)


Edited by Mort98 (01/06/23 06:18 AM)

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#3310430 - 01/06/23 08:29 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I hope you're right. It has close to 200 rounds now and possibly more. I wish I would've actually kept track. I know it's north of 150 by the bag of brass sitting on my bench.

It's just frustrating when a barrel that cost more than $100 less out shoots it by a lot.
I really thought it would be the other way around.
I've never cleaned a barrel in between different bullets unless they are monos. I've never seen a reason to.
I do want to take it apart and clean it just so when I try again I know it's clean and everything is tight. I can also scope it to see if there is something going on with it that I missed.

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#3310442 - 01/06/23 10:49 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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So maybe I can help you out a little, I have a really nice private range where we train every week and shoot almost every weekend from spring to fall. We have about 8-9 different WOA 18" SPRs there between us. Every single one is a shooter. Our "standard" load for shooting steel is 24gr of TAC, 75BTHP Hornady or 77SMK in matching LC or Starline 556 brass. Every rifle is 3/4 moa or less. The SMKs are a little more accurate but a lot more money. I have ran this load to 1216 in Nevada and full size ipsc is pretty easy.

A GREAT shooting hunting load that I came up with that shoots great in all of them also is 53vmax, 24.7gr of Benchmark, Starline 556 brass.

We all run cci 450 primers in both loads.
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#3310671 - 01/09/23 07:52 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Unfortunately 24 and 24.5 gr of Tac with Hornady 75 gr HPBT and 77 gr Nosler CCs we're the first loads I tried. The Nosler CCs are very accurate in the ARP barrel. I have more loaded up in Starline brass for hopefully tomorrow. I just have Starline .223 brass. I have 5.56 on order.

I have a few 53 gr Vmaxs left I can try. I have several lbs of Benchmark.

I have a private range in my front yard and can shoot all the way to 800. Finding the time to shoot between work and weather is the problem.

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#3310756 - 01/10/23 08:12 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Another update. I took everything apart and put it back together. I also cleaned it really good. I shot a bunch of old 53 gr winchester HP target bullets that I loaded with 24.5 grains of Tac just to fowl it up again.

From there I shot some groups of 24 and 24.5 grains of TAC with 75 gr Hornady and 77 gr Nosler CCs. Some shot pretty good. I never could get 5 under an inch. I can get 4 and even 3 to clover leaf. All had random fliers. That's where the good ends.

I have something going on. The brass is horribly filthy. I've never seen brass this dirty. And some has a really thick ring of gunk at the base after it's shot. Some of it the ring doesn't go all the way around and it's dirtier on one side. Some of the brass is normal looking with just the neck dirty.

Something else is when I was sighting it back in I accidently loaded some BTs. When I went to unchamber one. The bullet was down in the case.

I did some experimenting and would chamber and unchamber some. Most were good but a few of the bullets were inside the case.

It has to be when it feeds it's pushing the bullet into the case on several. When it fires it's not sealing the chamber. At the same time it's creating all kinds of fliers.

Watching it it appears to be feeding them alright. It was brand new Starline brass with plenty of neck tension. This was out of a 10 Rd PMAG and a 10 Rd ASC mag.

I'm not sure what to do. I've never had this problem. I did have to adjust the feed lips on a mag for my 6x6.8 because it was slamming the round into the feed ramps and stopping. These are being slammed and the bullet is going down in the case. I would hate to crimp and not sure how much it will help with as hard as they have to be hitting.

Edit to add I was getting pieces primers. Not on all the cases but had a few random ones until the end. It pierced the last 8. All CCI 450s.it could be because it's building up excessive carbon or maybe a headspace issue. I have another bolt I can put in it.

It has an adjustable gas block and was adjusted to where it didn't eject and slowly opened u til it did.


Edited by Coyote-conquest (01/10/23 09:21 PM)

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#3310772 - 01/10/23 11:40 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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On the possibility of crimping, this seems to be why crimping was created? Or more neck tension if you want to go that direction? Others will be along with more AR specific experience to comment, but have you tried crimped ammo in it? May not do too bad if you try? Im truly curious to see others experience on this.
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#3310776 - 01/11/23 05:44 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Maybe but I always considered bullet set back something that could possibly happen. Not something that will happen everytime. It's brand new Starline brass so I'm sure it has enough neck tension. I tried straight out of the bag and after running a expander down it. Didn't make a difference.

If it's slamming hard enough to where it's pushing the bullet in the case most of the time then I'm not sure if crimping will fix it.

It could be that it's not pushing the bullet in to the case as much as I think. It could be a head space issue causing the fouling.

I'm going to have to do some testing with a new bolt and maybe turning the gas all the way off to see if it's still doing it. I can also chamber the round by riding the charging handle. I ran out of time yesterday.

I've built several ARs in several calibers and have never had this problem before.

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#3310777 - 01/11/23 06:36 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I would reach out to WOA. Explain your issues. I'm sure they will take care of you!

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#3310806 - 01/11/23 01:06 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Thinking about it now, and realizing this is an AR (I'm not the most experienced at them - figured someone w experience woulda chimed in by now), this could be a mag/mag lip bent/alignment issue? Just a thought, but i see that you tried 2 diff mags from different makers.
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#3311004 - 01/13/23 12:22 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I'm surprised nobody else has chimed in but I think I may have solved the problem. I switched out the bolts. I wasn't really sure if that could be the problem. I switched the bolt and ran a couple patches down the bore. I shot maybe 20 rounds and the brass looked like normal brass.

The BCG came from PSA from their Black Friday sale. I bought 2 of them. They are both different. One says 9310 with MPI under it. The other says MPI with 9310 under it. Different fonts.
I haven't used the second one.
The bolt may be in spec but I could have tolerance stacking. I'll have to put it in another AR to see. I don't think my Calibers are accurate enough to measure anything.

I had an old striped bolt from Damage Industries that I've had for a few years. That's the one I replaced it with. I put it together to use it so I could make sure it was a different manufacturer. Hopefully it holds up.

I guess it was a headspace issue. Maybe the brass wasn't able to expand enough to seal? You see old surplus rifles that cause case head separations but I've never heard of them causing excessive fouling.
When I say excessive it was crazy bad. When you picked up the brass it left your fingerprints in the carbon. I had just cleaned everything and shot maybe 40 rounds the other day, the BCG was already covered and the bolt had really thick blue carbon built up behind the head.
I've went several hundred rounds on other ARs before cleaning and it's nowhere near that bad.

I'll shoot it some more in a day or 2 if the weather gets better just to make sure its solved for sure. I'm also still curious about the accuracy.

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#3312128 - 01/24/23 06:42 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Another update. The excessive carbon isn't solved. I shot several rounds today and it's back. Accuracy wasn't the greatest. I'm wondering if it's carbon related. It will shoot a group that looks good but has a flier. I can never get 5 under an inch. Always 4 and a flier but then the next group will be 2". I'm not sure what else to do so I emailed White Oak.

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#3312180 - 01/24/23 10:53 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Mort98]
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I would reach out to WOA. Explain your issues. I'm sure they will take care of you!


i came here to say this, but knew in my heart it had already been said. thumbup


op: send them pics of your brass and that load data. that should tell them everything they need to know. i bet you have a shipping label rather fast.
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#3312206 - 01/25/23 09:20 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Just a WAG, But I would check the gas system. Start with the BCG, is the gas key tight and the two screws staked? Clean the chamber and barrel extension, remove the excess carbon. Single load one rd at a time, shoot, pay attention if the BCG locks back on the mag and what direction the brass is ejecting. Is it ejecting at 4 o'clock position? You may need an adjustable gas block or open the gas port.

Check headspace as mentioned above also.

BTW, Most of my AR's are over gassed, so I put adjustable gas blocks on them. Some people like heavier BCG's, Buffer springs, and or buffers. YMMV...

Again I am NO expert, just guessing.

I ordered the middle weight 3 gun WOA barrel and am waiting for it. I am playing with an ODIN 18" barrel that is pretty accurate so far and I bought a Larue complete upper that is also accurate, but the chamber in the Larue looks rough IMO, functions fine so far. I use a suppressor so I have ADJ gas blocks on them. With the suppressor the brass seems to come out dirtier than when I don't use it.
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#3312309 - 01/25/23 09:26 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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CC,

I am somewhat surprised that you do not have a Hornady Comparator set!!!! You buy one type for measuring base to ogive on seated bullets for die set up. And the other type of body for measuring fired brass vs sizing die set up.

The only tool i know of that gives you a "zero" is the RCBS Precision Mic. Which is an awesome tool. Its hard to justify the cost with the Hornady tool kit covering the whole caliber range for the price of 1 RCBS unit.

Though i recommend it for some things.

I no longer trust Starline brass with what i have been through.

Seems you tried mixed brass in your 16 inch gun, but only Starline in your WOA.

I don't like the bullet set back thing. You know as well as i do that crimping is not necessary for 1 time function.

If you can afford you may consider the Hornady or Sinclair tools?

Also another brand of brass from a company that has been making bottle neck brass cases for awhile.

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#3312310 - 01/25/23 09:39 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Save a few pieces of fired brass from each of your rifles. After a while you get some sort of an average headspace to compare a new rifle with.

The primer piercing is a bit concerning also....

You have swapped firing pins each time?

The old 308 bolts used to have too large a hole in the bolt vs the small diameter firing pin. This would make the primer flow back into the large hole and aid in the firing pin piercing the primer during the firing sequence.

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#3312312 - 01/25/23 09:45 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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I believe that loading manuals are just a guideline. And some rifles need to go way over max to get working, and some are over pressure way under max.

Just sayin...


You are 1 grain over max with Nosler's data using 77 CC's

Sierra's max is 24.0 grains, which was fired from a NATO chamber not a Wylde.

Not sure what Hornady uses?

I have been shooting those 75 grain Hornady match bullets into and inch or just over an inch at 200 yards. Over and over with 5 shot groups. I love them!!!

My NATO chambers like LC NATO brass, Fed AR Match primers, Hornady 75 grain Match bullets with 23.0 grains of H4895

2675 fps out of a 20 inch 1/7 twist FN CHF chrome lined barrel.

No shine, no pressure. Just good looking fired brass


Edit: I have one rifle barrel chambered in 223 Wylde. I believe it is a factory mistake big time. It is very short throated!!

If i where to load Hornady 55 grain V-max bullets at the the recommend length of 2.200 or so, i would jamming the lands by .030

I doubt that is enough to seat the bullet back in the case? but maybe? I went with bullets with longer ogive's in that rifle, and did not even try the V-max after that measurement.

Every bullet my NATO chambers don't like, the Wylde chamber shoots them amazing.


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#3312455 - 01/27/23 03:15 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Just to update this. I did reach out to WOA. They didn't really say much but that I could send the upper to them. Ive had to work the last few days and haven't had a chance to do anything else.

I do have comparators to measure and have also shot mixed, sorted and Starline brass through the WOA. I can't find any measurements that are out of spec.
It started doing it with the sorted 1x fired brass so I switched to Starline since I knew it had never been shot in any other gun.
If I have time I'll do some more experimenting this weekend. Im really hoping to figure it out so I don't have to send it back on my dime. I'll keep this updated

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#3313604 - 02/07/23 03:58 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Another update. After chronoing a few loads yesterday I discovered this barrel is slower than my 16". Not by much but it's still slower. Keep in mind it's an 18".
Making up loads today I decided to just keep going up in charge weights with TAC and a 77SMK. At 25.2 it shot a .52 5 shot group. I've had a few flukes out of the barrel so I didn't think much of it and decided to shoot it again. It was .7. the third time it was .65. So now I know it can shoot.
I had stopped at 24.5 before. most guns shoot good at 24 or 24.5 grains.
I also tried some 55 gr Varmagedon's loaded with 25 and 25.5 of H335 that shot terrible. Maybe I need to go up to 26 or 26.5.
I ran out of time so I'm not sure if Its just that picky or I need to keep going up in charge weight with every powder and load I've tried.
I've tried TAC, Benchmark, H335, 8208XBR, X-terminator, and I'm sure a few more.
I've never had a barrel I've struggled with like this. It's usually they shoot or they don't.


Edited by Coyote-conquest (02/07/23 07:24 PM)

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#3313613 - 02/07/23 05:55 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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#3314395 - 02/15/23 06:04 PM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Loc: Kentucky, US
I shot some more loads today with TAC and 52 SMKs, 53 VMAXs and 75 HPBTs. Its very accurate. It just likes really hot loads. It took a while to get it figured out but I'm very happy now.

I still like the ARP better. I don't think the ARP is more accurate as much as more forgiving. It just shoots everything good. I actually ordered a Melonited ARP barrel a few days ago. They are just really cheap for what you get. I'm hoping it's just as accurate as the Stainless one.


Edited by Coyote-conquest (02/15/23 06:07 PM)

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#3314438 - 02/16/23 06:17 AM Re: WOA 3 gun 18" barrels [Re: Coyote-conquest]
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Loc: IN
Glad to hear your WOA barrel worked out. Hope your ARP melonite barrel works good for you. I know lots of folks swear by them. I guess I am just the unlucky one as I have owned 4 over the years in two different calibers and not a single one was consistently sub-MOA all were near MOA with developed hand loads. I gave up on them a couple of years ago.

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