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#3306391 - 11/12/22 09:08 PM Knife Sharpening & Care
Stu Farish Offline
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What are your faves?

In recent years I've become a fan of Work Sharp tools for sharpening, I have a few & they work great. Nested one is a Ken Onion Elite, really like it.

Have a Lansky that I've used since back in the early 90's or maybe 80's. It works well but is slow.

I think Wicked Edge might be the cats [beeep] for sharpeners but do not have & have not used one yet. I think it may be able to put the best edge possible on a blade, or everything out there. A bit expensive but could be worth it depending on your needs.

I just picked up some food grade mineral oil for general rust & finish protection & some Gunny Glide to use on my folders for lubing the pivots. It just came in, I used it on a couple of Cold Steel folders, seems like good stuff.

So watcha got? What should I take a look at?
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#3306395 - 11/12/22 10:04 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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For folders and medium hunters, I use Lansky with premium diamond stones and a sapphire stone for finishing.
Yes its slow at reprofiling an edge, but ok for edge touch up and refinement.

For larger stuff, I use 4x36 belt grinder with grits up to 1000 and an DIY edge guide.
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#3306405 - 11/13/22 05:08 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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Spyderco Sharpmaker for quick touch ups and the Edge Pro Apex for more involved sharpening. I have used the Lanskey and Gatco systems in the past with good results. I can sharpen on a whetstone but I haven't used one in years.
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#3306408 - 11/13/22 08:43 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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I keep a few of these scattered around, truck, desk etc, for quick touch ups

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#3306417 - 11/13/22 11:11 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
B23 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/11
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I have a couple Work Sharp, Ken Onion models, that work great for me. One stays out in the shop the other stays in the house. I have the arm attachment, don't think they make it anymore, for the one that's out in my shop and I use it on everything from lawnmower blades and axe heads to knives.

The one that stays in the house I have the blade grinding attachment and it works great for all kinds of different things from sharpening kitchen knives to polishing trigger sears. I bought their diamond belts that work on ceramic knives and much to my surprise they work really well on our ceramic kitchen knives. The regular belts, on ceramic knives, won't do anything to sharpen them but those diamond belts will put a razors edge back on them in a jiffy.

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#3306420 - 11/13/22 01:13 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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For WS I stared with a WS Guided Sharpening System. My first efforts were less than impressive, then I found some instructional videos on youtube & learned how to use it. Much better. Work Sharp has a couple of channels with tons of videos plus lots of independent videos out there.

Later I bought a Precision Adjust (when they first came out, before the upgrade). Liked that a lot, it's basically a better implementation in some ways of the Lansky system. But I concluded that I just had too many knives to keep sharp & it was time to go powered, so I bought a Ken Onion Elite / blade grinder attachment & gave the Precision Adjust to my son. He likes it a lot.

Between the Lansky system, Lansky pocket gizmo & Ken Onion I pretty much has all my bases covered for sharpening things now. Bit of a learning curve to all of them.
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#3306518 - 11/15/22 11:36 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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The Worksharp KO with grinding attachment has pretty much left all my other sharpening stuff on the shelf for awhile now.

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#3306754 - 11/19/22 07:53 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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I use the Work Sharp Ken Onion design. It took a little practice learning what each belt will do but now nearly all my using knives will shave the hair off my half bald arm.
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#3306796 - 11/19/22 05:40 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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I used to be concerned about my practice of finishing off my (Custom) knives with gentle pressure on a super fine slack belt. (Tight, but un-platened 600+ grinder belt.) It put a very mild convex surface on the cutting edge. Razor sharp, and dressable with a steel for a long time before re-orienting the molecules to the convex shape again...

But that's what the work sharp basically does, and so many people use them, so it's kind hand-in-glove now.
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#3306798 - 11/19/22 05:57 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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This powered belt way is still new to me. I like it but can get better at it.

I did buy a leather strop belt for the KO, not sure about that. I've tried it a bit. The WS Guided Sharpening System upgrade includes a stropping plate & I've found that to work quite well. I think I just have more control with the hard surface than with the moving belt.
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#3306828 - 11/20/22 07:31 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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I've tried 5-6 of the more popular methods including the Ken Onion. The Work Sharp was fast and easy to use but I found that it took off too much metal and took it off in an uneven way and with good/expensive knives I didn't want to damage the blade. There's just too much room for error using belts. With a Lansky it's almost impossible to damage the steel. I know people will say there's a learning curve but why take a chance?

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#3306836 - 11/20/22 11:23 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: desertdog1]
Bob_Atl Offline
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Originally Posted By: desertdog1
.. There's just too much room for error using belts. With a Lansky it's almost impossible to damage the steel. I know people will say there's a learning curve but why take a chance?

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#3306865 - 11/20/22 06:51 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Bob_Atl]
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Originally Posted By: Bob_Atl
Originally Posted By: desertdog1
.. There's just too much room for error using belts. With a Lansky it's almost impossible to damage the steel. I know people will say there's a learning curve but why take a chance?

+ 2


+3 I'm not using any power tools on my blades. And I've felt a need for that.
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#3306866 - 11/20/22 07:08 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
DAA Offline
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Not trying to talk anyone into anything.

But the Worksharp tool, it's such a small belt, and you can run it so slow. I just don't see the hazard. To me, it's just a way faster version of the Lansky. I run mine kind of fast, because I've had a lot of practice with it. But if you run it as slow as it will go, honestly, I just don't see how you could hurt a blade unless your like Ray Charles using his elbows.

I've used the heck out of the Lansky and similar for decades. I don't expect to ever touch that stuff again.

Got three garden variety kitchen knives (Costco grade Henckels) hair popping sharp in 10 minutes on the Worksharp KO blade grinding attachment today. Those knives are almost too big to even work with on the Lansky. Few minutes of enjoyment on the Worksharp and they are all three carving thin slices of paper and making the scant hair on my arm jump off. Gonna carve Thanksgiving goodness real, real good.

Don't be afraid of the power, lol!

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#3306874 - 11/20/22 08:29 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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I get the concern, I had it myself. I also watched a helluva lot of videos on using the thing before deciding to buy it.

FWIW they do advise that new users start out with a cheap knife while learning & not start with their high end ones.

Basically, it came down to me having to many knives -mostly kitchen types- to keep doing them all with the Lansky. I just don't have the time & I have pain issues with my hands that makes this a problem.

YMMV
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#3306890 - 11/21/22 01:50 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
B23 Offline
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Unless I'm touching up lawnmower blades I tend to mostly only use the finer belts and they don't seem to hardly remove any material from the blade.

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#3306915 - 11/21/22 02:50 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
steve garrett Offline
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The worksharp always seemed to take a crap ton of metal off for me. My son likes it for hatchet sharpening. The edge pro apex works great but isnít very fast. And will put a mirror edge on a knife. I use an F dick sharpener for my mora knives and kitchen knives. Pocket knives I just have the knife shop sharpen them for free while I look at other knives. The hunting knives have been retired by a havalon
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#3306941 - 11/21/22 06:42 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
DAA Offline
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Okay, I gotta know. What is an F dick sharpener. I think I know? But I want to make sure laugh.

Have me sharpen your pocket knives. I do a better job than the knife shop.

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#3306952 - 11/21/22 09:12 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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I have the same question
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#3306962 - 11/21/22 11:31 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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Link to F dick Amazon link

Only for kitchen knives and moras. It will get a mora hair popping in like a minute. Knife sharpening is like case trimming for me. Itís just not that much fun. I do really like sharp knives though. Best edge is on the edge pro apex. It will do a mirror edge. But itís more than I care to dink with.


Edited by steve garrett (11/21/22 11:32 PM)
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#3306968 - 11/22/22 07:08 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
DAA Offline
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Well that's interesting and not what I was thinking. I have something similar to that, somewhere, haven't used it in so long I'm not sure I could find it.

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#3307004 - 11/22/22 07:22 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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T had not seen one of those before. I do have a couple of pull through sharpeners somewhere, not quite like that one though.
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#3307005 - 11/22/22 07:34 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: steve garrett]
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See the price on that !!! Somebody's making a killing.
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#3307010 - 11/22/22 08:25 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Bob_Atl]
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Originally Posted By: Bob_Atl
See the price on that !!! Somebody's making a killing.


No joke!
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#3307095 - 11/23/22 08:00 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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The Ken Onion has gone up, $149 now. They're marked down this week to $119 if anyone wants one
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#3307509 - 11/29/22 10:19 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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I've always insisted on sharp knives but I can't say that I think doing the work is particularly fun. Just a necessary means to an end.
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#3308984 - 12/20/22 11:21 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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Been using a whet stone for over 70 years. Guess I'll just keep on dancing with the gal that brung me. wink grin

Regards,
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#3309590 - 12/29/22 11:52 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: rainshadow1]
Bob_Atl Offline
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rainshadow1: "...finishing off my (Custom) knives with gentle pressure on a super fine slack belt.
(Tight, but un-platened 600+ grinder belt.) It put a very mild convex surface on the cutting edge...."

I do the thin convex by hand using 1/2 dozen light passes on #4 of : soft nail polisher
As last step, it can produce razor sharp edges (or better)
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#3309810 - 01/01/23 10:00 AM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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Guess I'm old school. Still do mine on a very well worn in Arkansas, then a belt, polish the edge on piece of paper.

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#3309821 - 01/01/23 12:18 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
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Registered: 03/27/15
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Loc: USA
Consider a Lansky system for a decent value sharpener that will produce a consistent angle. I hold my own using a stone and steel. If I want a razor edge I reach for the Lansky and leather strop initially then use my steel to refresh until the edge is gone and itís back to the Lansky or a stone. The Lansky style systems that utilize a heim to guide the rod is a better design I feel as it holds an exact angle vs the slot style the Lansky has that requires a bit more technique to keep exact.

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#3310817 - 01/11/23 02:58 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
10ring1 Offline
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This is a good video. Does a fair test it seems.

https://youtu.be/KBINMUdlJ14

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#3310865 - 01/11/23 10:08 PM Re: Knife Sharpening & Care [Re: Stu Farish]
Stu Farish Offline
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That's a good find. I watched that & a couple other reviews he did, I like them. He manages to get a lot of information in a fairly short amount of time & is pretty creative in how he tests things.
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