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#3303886 - 09/21/22 09:48 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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#3303887 - 09/21/22 09:52 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: lyotehunter]
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lyotehunter, I was wondering where you read or saw someone say in the thread that if you don’t have a video you aren’t skilled? I never heard or saw that .
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#3303888 - 09/21/22 10:06 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
"Back when a 1000 yards was a long shot, now they're hitting targets over 4 miles."

Really? How is that even possible? How big are the targets? lol


Looks like a 120 MOA base, a couple TacomHQ prisms. The optic has to have a 34 or 35mm tube I'm sure. That's crazy though.
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#3303914 - 09/21/22 10:55 PM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: SlickerThanSnot]
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Originally Posted By: SlickerThanSnot
"Back when a 1000 yards was a long shot, now they're hitting targets over 4 miles."

Really? How is that even possible? How big are the targets? lol
Well, it took 69 shots to get their first impact. And they immediately ended their shooting session. That's not impressive at all, to me. Not at all. It's definately NOT a repeatable feat, it's just a game of probability, eventually you'll get a hit if you keep lobbing rounds down range.
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#3303917 - 09/22/22 01:07 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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I think the best way to show how bad an effort that was is to take a stab at beating it. One guy hits a garage door at 2.5 miles after 69 shots, another guy calls it [beeep] and does it in fewer shots. American Exceptionalism. The reality is that most innovation in any sort of hobby or profession occurs because someone cares a lot about improving the current situation and makes the previously thought impossibility possible. The 4 minute mile, any previous land speed record, defeating polio, landing on the moon…. The people in the video will be ridiculed for their effort. Their effort is extraordinary. They executed a shot that few even thought about.

For me, the thread is about people the OP looked up to and decided to speak to using current media distribution opportunities. I really enjoyed the Cal Taylor videos. I liked the Les Johnson and Randy Anderson videos too. I’m glad to hear from them just as I enjoy reading the “Reid and his dog” thread. The fact is I read all the posts and enjoy most of them.

Occasionally I find a post that makes me wonder what motivates people, dirty dogs post here just happened to make me scratch my head.
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#3303922 - 09/22/22 08:56 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: J Galt]
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Originally Posted By: J Galt
I think the best way to show how bad an effort that was is to take a stab at beating it. One guy hits a garage door at 2.5 miles after 69 shots, another guy calls it [beeep] and does it in fewer shots. American Exceptionalism. The reality is that most innovation in any sort of hobby or profession occurs because someone cares a lot about improving the current situation and makes the previously thought impossibility possible. The 4 minute mile, any previous land speed record, defeating polio, landing on the moon…. The people in the video will be ridiculed for their effort. Their effort is extraordinary. They executed a shot that few even thought about.

For me, the thread is about people the OP looked up to and decided to speak to using current media distribution opportunities. I really enjoyed the Cal Taylor videos. I liked the Les Johnson and Randy Anderson videos too. I’m glad to hear from them just as I enjoy reading the “Reid and his dog” thread. The fact is I read all the posts and enjoy most of them.


This is a good post.
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#3303923 - 09/22/22 09:09 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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I didn't watch the video, I personally find most videos pretty boring, guys that have supposedly killed 100's of coyotes dancing around and high-fiving like teenager girls that saw Elvis for the first time.

From the description of the event, I'll save my Hurrahs until they hit it the first time. Nobody praised Jonas Salk for all the trials that work on a few, just for the ones that worked on most of the kids.


Edited by AWS (09/22/22 09:11 AM)
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#3303924 - 09/22/22 09:21 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: AWS]
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Originally Posted By: AWS


From the description of the event, I'll save my Hurrahs until they hit it the first time. Nobody praised Jonas Salk for all the trials that work on a few, just for the ones that worked on most of the kids.


Not everyone gets the concept. The skill involved at shooting over 2K yards is the know how to get there, with proper equipment. Unfortunately there are variables that we will never be able to control that have an adverse effect on the end goal. Anyone can make a 1k yard first round hit... EASY. 2K and beyond very very difficult.

Not many lineman you see getting praised when the star QB RB or WR take all the glory, but it takes em all to win a championship, whether they get proper acknowledgement or not.
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#3303926 - 09/22/22 09:28 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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Well said J Galt.

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#3303928 - 09/22/22 11:29 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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It is still pretty much useless until they can do it with the first round.
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#3303929 - 09/22/22 11:55 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: AWS]
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Originally Posted By: AWS
It is still pretty much useless until they can do it with the first round.


Is calling /hunting coyote "pretty much useless" if you don't call and kill one every time ?

Insert any sport /activity that uses a skill of any kind to the above question.




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#3303955 - 09/22/22 09:20 PM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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Originally Posted By: skinney
The skill involved at shooting over 2K yards is the know how to get there, with proper equipment.

One could argue they did not have the know how to get there, since they used multiple spotters and lobbed 68 misses before finally hitting the target only one time on the 69th attempt. Then, they immediately stopped shooting, because they knew the probability of hitting the target a second time was veeeeery low. It may have taken more than 68 additional misses before they scored a second hit.

A first shot hit at 4000 yards would be amazing, especially if it was fairly repeatable. Also, a certain number of hits out of ten shots would be amazing. Both of those types of feats would show actual ability to hit a target at 4000 yards.

It's neither skill nor knowledge unless it's somewhat repeatable.

Lobbing 69 shots to get one hit and then immediately quitting demonstrates nothing other than one lucky hit. Actually, a 1.45% chance of a hit. That's a pretty weak demonstration of "skill" or "know how".
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#3303960 - 09/22/22 09:33 PM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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The stopping gets me. If it was me, once on target I'd want to see what sort of group I could get
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#3303961 - 09/22/22 09:40 PM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: skinney]
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It would take a looooong time to get a "group" with only a 1.45% hit rate. That's why they stopped after just one hit.
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#3303971 - 09/23/22 01:09 AM Re: To Post, Or Not To Post, That Is The Question??? [Re: DiRTY DOG]
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Originally Posted By: DiRTY DOG
It would take a looooong time to get a "group" with only a 1.45% hit rate. That's why they stopped after just one hit.


Another way to say it is that these people have a confirmed impact at the furthest distance ever recorded.


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