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Methinks the undocumented Irishman has split his britches in Texas.
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Monday, March 21, 2022

“We support the Second Amendment. If you own a gun, keep that gun. Nobody wants to take it away from you – at least I don’t want to do that.” That’s what Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke told voters in an April 2018 radio interview, when he was running against Republican Ted Cruz in the Senate election in Texas. Asked specifically about AR-15s (“I own an AR-15. A lot of our listeners out there own AR-15s. Why should they not have one?”) Beto responded (at the 0:24 mark), “To be clear, they should have them. If you purchased that AR-15, if you own it, keep it. Continue to use it responsibly.”

As a 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate, though, Beto became best known for his total repudiation of those sentiments. During the primary debate in Houston on September 12, 2019, he famously proclaimed, “[beeep] yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK47...!” His campaign capitalized on this by selling t-shirts with the catchphrase, and Beto reiterated his call for mandatory confiscation in a CNN interview. Asked “Are you, in fact, in favor of gun confiscation?,” he replied, enthusiastically, “Yes, when it comes to AR-15s and AK-47s…”

This melodramatic rhetoric did nothing to improve his chances and he dropped out of the race a few weeks later. However, his call for mandatory gun confiscation was echoed by Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, who went so far as to promise that Beto was “going to take care of the gun problem with me. [He’s] going to be the one who leads this effort. I’m counting on ya.”

Beto is now running as the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in “Come and Take It” Texas. News reports indicated that he initially stood by his toxic stance on guns and confiscation, but – true to form – did another complete about-face ahead of the March primary amid speculation that it was just too much uncomfortable baggage in the intensely pro-gun state. At a campaign stop on February 8, Beto responded to a question with, “I’m not interested in taking anything from anyone. What I want to make sure that we do is defend the Second Amendment.” Deafened, perhaps, by the collective sound of jaws dropping across America, a spokesperson for O’Rourkes campaign “declined to comment” on this stunning reversal.

The latest, but doubtless far from final, shift from Beto occurred at the SXSW 2022 festival in Austin, Texas, in a March interview by Evan Smith, CEO and co-founder of The Texas Tribune. “After some prodding, O’Rourke gave a direct answer” on his position that month on mandatory firearm confiscation:

I don’t think anyone should have [assault-style weapons]. And if I can find the consensus within the Legislature to have a law in the state of Texas that allows us to buy those AK-47s and AR-15s back, we will. As you said earlier, I cannot mandate or dictate anything as the next governor of the state of Texas. I’m going to have to do this by listening moving forward.

As positions go, this new one registers on the confiscation dial somewhere between “[beeep] yes!” and “Not interested in taking anything from anyone,” being “I hope I can get the Legislature to fall in with my gun confiscation plan.” We’re not seeing this slogan on Beto’s campaign t-shirts just yet, so a fresh take (or two, or more) is certainly possible between now and the election in November.

Perhaps Beto genuinely believes that defending the Second Amendment is completely compatible with his gun bans and mandatory gun grabs of ordinary semiautomatic firearms. Or maybe he’s still holding out hope that Joe Biden will make good on his promise, and is keeping his anti-gun credentials in working order.

Certainly his most recent swivel demonstrates an obvious lack of situational awareness, given that gun buys by law-abiding Americans have surged to unprecedented highs since (and possibly because of) his “[beeep] yes!” threat in 2019. Texas alone logged over 2.3 million NICS background checks in 2020 (compared to less than 1.5 million in 2019), many of which involved first-time gun owners. These Texas voters are unlikely to find Beto’s lip-service to the Second Amendment convincing, especially as, in the larger context, his shameless vacillating calls to mind the worst stereotype of the pandering, habitually opportunistic shill of a politician who will say anything he thinks will help elect him.

For those who are confused, uncertain or mystified about where Beto stands on firearm rights, please know our position is simple, straightforward and unchanged. [beeep] no, Beto.

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That was the mayor of Uvalde, Tx. who told the undocumented Irishman (Beto O'Rourke) in no uncertain terms to get out.

I watched it live on a local TV station's web page (ABC affiliate) and was infuriated. This was obviously pre planned for political purposes and as soon as Beto was escorted out of the auditorium, ABC was waiting immediately stuck a mike in his mouth and cut off from the Governor's news conference inside and gave Beto turned it into an anti gun pep rally with three different ABC commentators railing about gun control.
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They never did cut back to the Governor's news conference inside.

Gave the local station a piece of my mind about this free political BS for their favorite Democrap for all the good it will do.

 
Did it infuriate you that 19 children were murdered? Or that 19 families have to bury their children? Or that all were ages 10 and under? It did me. I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my belly. 19 babies never to go hunting or fishing with their parents or play in sports, or go on their first date? All that infuriates me. I've been told we love our guns more than our children. Sometimes I believe it. This is "The Church of the Painful Truth". Well there's some "painful truth".
 
I lit a guy up today... This self avowed hard core Democrat was railing on and on about gun control. When I told him that his vote to support abortion had killed far more children than all the mass shooters together had, I thought his head was gonna explode.
 
Yea, funny how that works!
Over 100,000 drug overdose deaths last year, so in the next decade that should add up to over 1 MILLION drug related deaths, where is the outrage!
 
Originally Posted By: pyscodogDid it infuriate you that 19 children were murdered? Or that 19 families have to bury their children? Or that all were ages 10 and under? It did me. I got a lump in my throat and a knot in my belly. 19 babies never to go hunting or fishing with their parents or play in sports, or go on their first date? All that infuriates me. I've been told we love our guns more than our children. Sometimes I believe it. This is "The Church of the Painful Truth". Well there's some "painful truth".

Of course it did, Bill, but I suspect most of us understand that the socialist left will stop at nothing to politicize each such tragedy without any shame whatsoever. The mere fact that Beto, obviously plotted with ABC to capitalize on this horrendous event to gain a few votes at the expense of the grieving families, with absolutely no compassion for their grief, simply sucks!

Regards,
hm
 
Your avoiding the point using other examples. Drug deaths are usually just one person. We've had 27 school shootings since the first of the year. Does it have to be your child before it matters? All these murdered kids were in the 4th grade. Their lives were barely starting. And before you start, I'm not saying ban firearms. So don't even go there. I'm saying it bothers me that a child can't go to school and feel safe or Mom can't go the the store and feel safe. Something is wrong and it needs fixed. Next time your holding your baby or grand baby, imagine what a parent feels when they are gone. I hope I never have that feeling or you either. Parents aren't suppose to bury their children.
 
I guess what bothers me most is all the anger here and on another site about gun control and not a single word about the babies that were murdered for no reason. When I first heard about it, my first thought was "here we go again". Its only gonna get worse for the honest gun owners. It always does and always will as we know no gang banger is going to step up and say here, take my rifle. But then I saw the faces of those little children and being a father, it really upset me. There were 26 pages of comments on another site and very very few even mentioned the children and the ones that did got FLAMED. My son is 38 and it would kill me if he got murdered for no reason. I'll be first to say I have no answer. I don't have a clue what could be done to save lives. I know that taking my guns away isn't going to work either. I've lost a bunch of friends arguing that point. But what I do know is every time this happens its not going to be good for gun owners.
 
If It’s Not ‘Angry White Men,’ Then It’s the ‘Easy Access of Guns’ |Larry Elder

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Quote:I guess what bothers me most is all the anger here and on another site about gun control and not a single word about the babies that were murdered for no reason.

Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do that will lessen the extreme sense of loss by the friends and families of those children who were senselessly slaughtered by an evil perpetrator. Certainly I was/am incensed and deeply sorrowed by the senseless taking of innocent lives, especially young children, but I am just as angry that these events continue to occur and the only solution the left is willing to consider is disarming honest, law abiding folks who can, and have, been part of the solution.

What is incumbent upon us is to seek a sensible solution to prevent future recurrences.

Unfortunately, the left has tunnel vision and blame an inanimate object for all the armed crime rather than the individual. Larry Elder takes a logical look at many of the contributing factors behind criminal conduct of all types in the above video.

If the libs were to be honest and not obsessed with their passion to disarm America and consider all possible options there are things that can and have discouraged armed criminals. See John Lott's comments on the matter starting @ 45:39.
 
The firearms used in these senseless acts are just the means of delivery for the evil within a sick person. The core problem lies in the person committing the act. It’s basically impossible to predict, detect, diagnose, prevent etc. every single case of sickness, mental health disorder , or simply pure devine evil/hate/rage that lies within these scum bug offenders.

After 9/11/2001, we took a big step towards airport security. The airplanes were the means of delivery for evil that day and box cutters and things facilitated the terrorists to take control of the plane. Instead of outlawing box cutters and making air travel illegal for everyone, we as a country took big steps to secure the airports and screen everyone coming and going trying to get on a plane and fly etc.

Since most of these “mass shootings” occur in schools, and schools contain the most precious treasure we have in our youth, why the he!! can’t we take big steps as a county to secure our schools. How? I don’t have that exact answer but have some thoughts. First off, fully sworn, trained, and armed police officers at every single school building would help. Not the guys/gals that are retired on duty, waiting for retirement, overweight, lazy, just looking to beat in an 8 hour day, etc., but some of the best employees you have that are in shape and have sharp skills and are up to the task of protecting our youth. Park a marked patrol car in the parking lot for everyone to see. Lock the darn doors to the school and only admit visitor entry through one single door from inside only after appearing on a camera and requesting entry. The push bars will allow them to open from the inside in the event of fire or other need to get out of the building, were trying to keep people out, not in! Put cameras outside the school, not just inside, to show all points of entry and parking areas and have someone actually monitor them for activity. Most elementary schools have fenced perimeters on the playground to keep kids in, let’s make fences a little more secure and design them to keep people out and direct vehicle and foot traffic to a dedicated primary entry and exit. Metal detector scans for kids coming into school? We do it to fly, go to court, go to ball games, concerts, etc, why not do a simple scan to make sure a kid doesn’t have a gun in their backpack. Would this prevent everything, well that’s impossible. Yes it will be expensive, but it’s worth it. Are there other things that could help, I’m sure, these are just some things that come to mind.

How about all the shooting violence in cities and communities across the country. How many kids/people get murdered each weekend in Chicago or New York? Why don’t we do something to step up security on the streets there as well. That means more police officers that need continual training which needs more funding not de-funding and allowing them to actually enforce the laws that exists. Well that doesn’t fit the democratic narrative, so while they put on a dog and pony show and yell and rant and act like they care about the school shootings, they don’t seem to care about the kids getting murdered in the streets of the cities and communities every day that are mostly represented by democrats.

We should all care about the safety, education, and future of the children of this nation. I have school age kids, 3rd grade and 1st grade, and a wife that’s a teacher. This event, like all the other school shootings, bothers me. I don’t know the right answer, but it seems like increased security is helping the airports, so why not look into increased security for the schools and streets. Then put some effort on identifying perpetrators early and measures to prevent acts of evil, not just getting hung up on the method they used to deliver it.

Just my .02
 
There is just simply no way to prevent things like this from happening.
A person can do anything he wants to one time.
If he tells no one there is no way to stop him.

I think that is what Israel figured out.
 
Adam has a lot of good ideas. There are LOTS of vets out there that could probably use the work and would be great for security and pay them well enough that they care about their job. Even my gun club has doors that are only able to be opened from the inside. Keep all doors locked and only a main entrance for parents and visitors and like said a guard at that door. I do know the schools here in Broken Arrow have police cars parked in the parking lots. I only assume there is an officer inside. Its amazing that in a short time of reading this post we have came up with several really good ideas. To bad our politicians can't stop fighting and come to reasonable solutions. Hey they might actually work. If they would only listen.
 
Another question I have is why did it take 40min for the officers to breech the school doors. 40min is an eternity when it comes to something like that. I know it is the protocol to set up a perimeter and wait for back-up. But 40min is a lot of violence. A 3 man team could have resolved the problem. Just venting and it was an evil person that did that and the firearm was the tool. It could have been a car or any other tool.
 
I was a police officer for ten years, 2008-2018. The protocol is definitely not to establish a perimeter and wait for backup/SWAT. That was the protocol up until Columbine, but that event changed the practice and methods. The protocol and the way everyone gets taught that I know of, at least in Virginia and as I understood it nationwide, is to immediately enter and address the threat. This was taught to everyone regardless of whether you were a school resource officer, patrol, criminal investigations, court security, jailor, he!! even desk jockey admin guys received this training. If in the event of a school shooting, the call went out, everyone that could hear the radio responded, and the first guy up until the last guy, even if you are the only guy, was to enter the building/locate the threat immediately and address it without question until the shooting stopped! This means stepping over dead bodies, running past wounded people in need of aid, etc. You go to the gunshots! Period! It’s a bad and violent situation and you can’t expect everyone to handle what will be seen and respond accordingly without the proper training, and the training is out there. It was also our department policy to respond in this manner. My buddy and I use to say that sometimes police work presented you with a sh!t sandwich and you just had to take a bite anyway. That’s the job you signed up for and the citizens expect and deserve a proper response from well trained and equipped officers.

This is why defunding the police is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. Training classes aren’t cheap, you have to pay a company to provide the training in some cases if it’s not part of a local academy or it’s beyond the abilities of your in house instructors. Officers need compensation for their time in attending training. Proper modern equipment isn’t cheap either, but these things are necessary to achieve the types of response we all want. Training shouldn’t be a one time and done thing either, you have to keep training and keep practicing to stay sharp on your skills and up to date on ever changing methods, tactics, legal matters, etc.

The company that taught my classes on response to active shooter was based out of Texas. It was ALERTT which stands for Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training, and they taught this program nationwide. I would be shocked if officers in Texas waited outside for 40 minutes. If that’s the case, I’m disappointed that it happened to say the least. Even if there’s no active shooting taking place, the immediate next priority is to secure the scene. That still means going inside and physically going room to room, opening every closet door, cabinet door, etc. checking every place an offender can be, until is clear. This would usually involve more than one team, with each checking over the other to make sure nothing was missed. You can only truly effectively administer the best and most aid to the most people once the scene is secure.
 
Uvalde is a small town, really small. I wonder how much training those officers really had? I read where they stayed outside and kept Mom's and Dad's from rushing the building and waited on back up to arrive. Just what I read????
 
In July of 2016 in Nice, France a box truck killed 84 people by plowing into a crowd and running over people. Is the answer to ban box trucks? Good Lord, this isn't hard to figure out. As I already pointed out, schools aren't the only place people are vulnerable. Malls,churches, work places, parks, parades, holiday celebrations... on and on.

As we say in the hunting game sometimes, "It ain't the arrow - it's the Indian." There is a mental health and culture crisis in this country. These events aren't weapon problems and you are never going to be able to protect people completely all the time. These events are PEOPLE problems.
 
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