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#3260965 - 12/13/20 12:13 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
pyscodog Offline
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Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 16007
Loc: okla
Seems every year we get a post about the 223. A 17 HMR will kill a coyote but the 223 isn't enough. I wonder how many coyotes have been killed though the years with the under powered 223? I wonder what the coyotes would have to say.


Edited by pyscodog (12/13/20 12:14 PM)
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#3260979 - 12/13/20 02:33 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: pyscodog]
OKRattler Offline
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Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 3786
Loc: Ok Panhandle
Originally Posted By: pyscodog
Seems every year we get a post about the 223. A 17 HMR will kill a coyote but the 223 isn't enough. I wonder how many coyotes have been killed though the years with the under powered 223? I wonder what the coyotes would have to say.


If I were to guess and judging by how hard .223 ammo is to come by I'd say the .223 probably kills more coyotes than just about any other cartridge. That's strictly a guess of course. There's no way to know for certain but if I had to bet money on which kills the most every year I'd put my money on it.
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#3261065 - 12/13/20 10:55 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
405 win Offline
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Registered: 01/05/10
Posts: 903
Loc: Montana
Way back when I hunted for pelts, I took a fair amount of fur with the 223. While it worked fine in most cases, it would do strange things every once in a while. A broadside shoulder shot would become an intestinal unzip. I would blame these anomalies as a bullet failure of some sort, which it may have been.
My favorite dog caliber however was the 22-250. Instant death with a rip in the hide to prove it. Oddly, my 17 remmy was nearly the equal of the 22-250 without the damage. Only had one runner and that was a 400+ yard yard shot in a fairly stiff wind but the dog was recovered.

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#3262435 - 12/22/20 07:41 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
jskinn22 Offline
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Registered: 02/06/20
Posts: 14
Loc: IL
I shot Vmaxes for 2 years in my 16" AR 223. I constantly had runners and spinners. This year I switched to soft points and they are hammers. Most are now DRT. You hit them in the chest or front shoulder and they don't go anywhere.

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#3262469 - 12/22/20 12:21 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
Hellgate Offline
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Registered: 08/28/12
Posts: 641
Loc: Orygun
jskinn22,
What weight of Vmaxes did you shoot?
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#3262503 - 12/22/20 04:40 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Hellgate]
jskinn22 Offline
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Registered: 02/06/20
Posts: 14
Loc: IL
I tried the 55's and the 53's. I just didn't have any luck with them. Don't get me wrong they would kill coyotes but I almost always had to use follow up shots or track them down 50 to 100 yards after the shot.

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#3262521 - 12/22/20 06:27 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
liliysdad Offline
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Registered: 12/29/06
Posts: 1204
Loc: Oklahoma
I have killed a TON of coyotes with the 50gr Vmax, but they like a little bit of speed. I am running them at 3500fps from a 20" 223 Ackley. They perform quite well with very few runners as long as I keep my distances under 300yd.

That being said, having more bullet and more speed sure is nice.

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#3262805 - 12/24/20 02:00 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: jskinn22]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
Posts: 3424
Loc: Buffalo, MN
Originally Posted By: jskinn22
I shot Vmaxes for 2 years in my 16" AR 223. I constantly had runners and spinners. This year I switched to soft points and they are hammers. Most are now DRT. You hit them in the chest or front shoulder and they don't go anywhere.


I agree, I will never shoot a vmax at another animal again. I switched to 65gr SGK and they hit like a supersonic brick.

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#3262854 - 12/24/20 06:28 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
509welder Offline
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Registered: 10/20/20
Posts: 25
Loc: Washington
Killed my first coyote as a kid with a 22lr, and seen many fall with 22lr and 22mag, I love this thread.

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#3262988 - 12/25/20 04:05 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
Rock Knocker Offline
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Registered: 12/29/11
Posts: 3424
Loc: Buffalo, MN
I've seen deer killed with 22lr, doesnt make it a very good choice.

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#3263025 - 12/25/20 10:46 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
mattman215 Offline
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Registered: 12/21/13
Posts: 127
Loc: Usa
This does not add up

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#3263035 - 12/26/20 12:13 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: mattman215]
DiRTY DOG Offline
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Registered: 08/27/09
Posts: 2942
Loc: West
Originally Posted By: mattman215
This does not add up
That's what my wife said when I told her I actually save money by reloading my own ammo.
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#3284810 - 11/05/21 06:47 AM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
wildflights Offline
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Registered: 01/10/16
Posts: 189
Loc: Washington Wet Side
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Edited by wildflights (11/05/21 07:39 AM)

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#3284922 - 11/06/21 05:54 PM Re: .223 not cutting it for coyotes [Re: Pantera]
shepman Offline
Die Hard Member II

Registered: 01/24/10
Posts: 1146
Loc: SE KS
I have only lost one with a 223 and it was a bad shoulder shot with a vmax. This year I’m going to try a 6mm arc upper I just put together. I’m hoping to extend my range some and have better bc for the wind.

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