What do you think? I'm thinking of picking one up, but I dont want to find myself ammo less 5 years down the road...

Yes it is. I have 3.

I'm pretty convinced it isn't going to go away. Heck you can still get the HM2 stuff.

Greg

True. I think the HM2 is on it's way out though. I'll probably end up going for it...

I never caught the 17 HMR bug but this one sure got my attention.

Greg

Still on the fence. I haven't found a "Need" for it yet.

I wish a better bolt action platform would be developed for 17WSM, B Mag and Ruger are about it. And neither are great.

I have a neighbor who has the Ruger in stainless steel with a walnut stock and it is a very good shooter. He's happy with it...

That said, I've been eyeing the Winchester Model 1885 Low Wall Hunter Rimfire in .17 WSM Rifle. It looks like a nice package.

A nice little CZ would peek my interest.

Greg

I worked with a buddy's Franklin Armory 17 wsm. Gas operated believe it or not. In fact it was a little over gassed and malfunctioning but I got it tamed down with more buffer weights. It shot ok with the ammo he had but it wasn't world shattering.

I like price of the hmr stuff a lot better but the wsm is definitely a step up in power. If I could figure out an AR in 17 Hornet it would be pretty sweet.

They have one of the Winchesters at one of the LGS in Tulsa. Its a very nice looking rifle for sure but its not cheap either. I like it best of all the WSM's I've seen.

I think it probably is. I don't have one yet but I will eventually. Probably either the Franklin Armory or Volquertsen semi auto. If you get one you'll throw rocks at the .17HMR.

I have a picture of a beaver and an armadillo I shot with my buddies B-Mag. It looks like that diller got shot with a .204 Ruger....I say that because I've shot one with one of those too and it wasn't in any worse shape than the other.

Ordered an MGM Contender G2 barrel in one. Should be here in the next week or so. Many areas where I hunt are rimfire only at nite. Looking forward to seeing how it does with a thermal scope...

Same here. It had alot of great features I just dont have a need/want for pills that light.

I think I saw a Winchester Low Wall in this caliber for north of $1,200. Beautiful firearm though

I'd like to see Henry make a lever 17 wsm. I even contacted Henry when the 17 wsm first came out and they stated at the time that they had no plans to build them. Hopefully that may change soon.

I had a Bmag and wasnt overly impressed by accuracy, extra noise, or ammo costs. I shoot exclusively HMR now for rimfires.

I think the staying power of the 17wsm is on the "iffy" side,
especially when so many gun manufacturers are staying away from
production. It got a black eye right away with the problems of
the first B-mags. I like the Savage CF's, but just handling a
B-mag turned me off....may have been made by Mattel as far as I
was concerned.

Of the 17RF's, the one most likely to stay is the hmr. The wsm
is a bit much for small game and a bit light for coyotes, even
though it's possible with either. Think I'll stay happy with my
HMR.

If my .17 HMR is not quite enough I grab my .17 Hornet. If that is not quite adequte yet I can put my .17 Remington into play. If that's not enough for what I shoot at it's a very rare day.

The real space for the 17WSM is in states with rimfire only regulations, IMO. H*ll I would have gotten one if my state lifted the 22LR restriction and made it "any rimfire". (night hunting regs)

The fact it's been out this long and their's still only two real options (three really, I know. But whos going to spend over a grand on the AR version) to me says it doesn't have much interest. I'm actually surprised more companies haven't made "affordable" bolt guns in this caliber, it has that cool factor going for it. The Ruger is a nice firearm but it's too costly for the average guy buying a rimfire. Everyone interested in the caliber has heard enough bad things about the Savage.

I'd say it's a coin flip if it survives.

Part of the problem with the popularity of the 17 WSM is a lot of average Joe recreational rimfire shooters still don't even know they exist or what exactly they are. You'd be surprised at how many people confuse the 17 WSM with A17 ammo and often don't realize they aren't one and the same.

Shortly after I bought my HB SS Bmag I took it sage rat hunting down in Oregon. When asked what I was shooting and I said a 17 WSM, two of the guys shooting on the same platform, including our guide, said oh isn't that the new 17 HMR ammo that shoots 100fps faster. When I explained the 17 WSM was a whole different cartridge and compared my ammo to their 17 HMR ammo they replied with, oh I just thought they were the same thing. I've been to my local Sportsman's Warehouse numerous times and heard the counter guy explaining the difference between the 17 WSM and 17 HMR because the customer didn't know what a 17 WSM was.

As has already been mentioned, the early skinny barrel Bmags certainly didn't establish a great deal of confidence in the 17WSM. Also, the Bmag is kind of an odd duck, mostly because of how the bolt functions and it turns a lot of people off. The Ruger has always been a very good looking rifle but their accuracy was just ehh ok at best and typically didn't match their price tag. But, both the Bmag, particularly the HB SS models, and the Ruger 17 WSM's have gotten much better and tend to shoot pretty well, or at least much better than the early models did.

I've dressed up my HB SS Bmag a little by putting it in Boyd's Pro Varmint stock, swapped out that fugly bolt handle with a glades bolt handle which was ridiculously large so I had it shortened and turned down smaller in diameter. It looks pretty respectable now and shoots really well. I have a couple 17 HMR's and can't even remember the last time I shot one of those because every time I reach for a rimfire, it's my 17 WSM.

I believe it is here to stay.

I have an HB SS Bmag. It ain't pretty. It has a clunky bolt action. HOWEVER, it was inexpensive, is a pleasure to carry because it's so light, sufficiently accurate and has enough energy to 150 yards to tack down fox/coyote/bobcats. For a RIMFIRE, I don't know how that combination will be beat anytime soon.

I'm guessing if it is here to stay you'll see more ammo offerings and chambered in more rifle manufacturers at the upcoming shot show. That should be an indication whether it's doing good or not. Want one myself but will wait to see what the future holds for it first. Leaning towards the hornet. At least I reload it if the caliber goes away and I can custom Taylor a load till I find one that shoots vs having limited ammo choices and trying to find a rimfire rife that likes the preloaded rimfire ammo. Either way I'm sure I'll own a 17 WSM soon.

If CZ came out with one I would buy it.

Love my CZ's

I'm waiting to see if CZ or ruger American will be chambered in it as well.

Sure hope it stays around. Didn't like the rifle offerings out there so I bought a Contender rifle barrel from MGM instead. I love my 17Hornet, but it is nice to shoot a rimfire that has nearly the same punch as the hornet while not having to worry about saving brass. Especially when shooting high volume at sage rats. I use to shoot the HMR quite a bit, but since getting the Hornets and WSM I never touch the HMR any more.

I bet if we renamed it 17LRP or 17Creed the things would fly off the shelf and take over the shooting world...

In my mind, if CZ or someone else doesn't bring out a new gun this year it is dead. However, they will continue to make ammo.

I'm guessing the same.

That's actually pretty funny, good one!

I still say, it would have been a better and more popular choice if they made it a 20 WSM rimfire and load it with something like the Hornady 24gr NTX bullet instead of a yet another 17 cal rimfire. I really like my 17 WSM but I would have liked a 20 WSM a lot more.

That's a cool idea!

Or just a real re-release of the 5mm Rimfire Mag!

Maybe, but then you'd, potentially, have new 5mm ammo loaded with modern higher BC bullets that may not shoot well in some of the older 5mm's. Also, the case on the WSM is a bit larger, so for me, I'd rather they did 20 WSM than reintroduce the 5mm.

Why be greedy and just have what "I want"? Get one of each.

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/for...659#Post3178659

I think that a 20 caliber rim fire would be met with loud yawning, much like the original 5MM RM was met.

btw - I now have one of each (5MM RM and 17 WSM) since I purchased a 17 WSM last week. Its a Ruger 77 stainless laminated with an 18" barrel, and before I get told that I should have bought a BMag, it shoots just fine accuracy wise. And having the Ruger is not like having to hide an ugly wart from your new girl friend.

IMO the bmag is an ugly ducking or I would have already bought one for the price point it's at.

I agree. If another manufacturer such as CZ were to offer a rifle in 17wsm I’d own one in a heartbeat. The current options don’t do anything for me.

I might be on the 20 WSM wagon if it comes around.

Only if done so in a decent platform.

I sue wish they would bring out the 17 WSM in a cheaper single shot like a Ruger #3.

Greg

I've got a BMag, and, meh, it's okay, but only because of the cartridge. The rifle itself has no redeeming quality that I can think of. If Ruger chambered the American in .17 WSM I'd buy one tomorrow.

I have got a Bmag. B23 sent pics of his rig and he had good luck with it, so I cloned it some what. Just got it in the stock and have not shot it as of yet.
Got one of the Bushnell scopes made for the 17wsm,the hold dots show promise and seem to be correct.

The Bmag, to me, seems to have been a hurried project. Savage had other actions that would have worked better (center fire) I think, the model 25 comes to mind.
I have not a clue where or what they came up with on this action. I believe it may be more price point inclined than design. Rugers 77/22 is stout enough to take the pressures where as savage has a some what weaker system for theirs.

I may at some point rebarrel this and see what happens. The trigger looks like somthing a kid with an erector set built.
I like the cartridge from my initial range visits. As we all well know a rimfire is a finicky cartridge if there ever was one.
Jeff

I want to thank you guys. All this speculation on the life of this cartridge, caused me to order another 250 rounds, to add to the +1000 round hoard I have now. I have nightmares about cartridges, like the 5mm, just going away, and I am stuck with a rifle with no ammo. So now I will slowly buy more 17 WSM ammo, until I feel like I won't run out in my lifetime. I really need to seek help with my phobias! My .22 RF hoard is ridiculous, and I have brass, powder, primers, and bullets, to survive two zombie apocalypses.

In all honesty, I believe this cartridge will be with us, for a long time, but just seed one kernel of doubt, and see what happens! I start my own run on ammo.

Squeeze

P.S. My marauding vermin porch rifle

Good idea, Squeeze.

I did the same with 7mm WSM brass.

I'm moving up by you! Looks like your getting a warm front from Lake Michigan! Lol

Had to get out away all the ball games and Mecum auto auctions I could stand today.

Took the Bmag and the CZ 17HH out. Ran them side by side in the fading light. I doubt the Bmag will ever shoot like the CZ.
I cloned B23's rig some what. Went with the Boyds stock. A tight fit, and it helped a lot. I will tinker with it some more. Had some vertical which may have been me leaning into the butt. It is now half of what it was in the Tupperware stock, group was 1/2" wide and about 1 1/2" high. Not bad at all I don't think, for a questionable gun and questionable ammo.

I'd be in line for the American right beind you. I can't understand why they don't do it, they are already invested in the WSM and they already have the magazine figured out. If they made an American that could shoot they would kill the Bmag overnight.
I refuse to buy a Bmag, I just can't do it.

As long as it shoots MOS (Minute Of Squirrel) it's all good!

Yeah, it's ok, but I know you are chasing smaller just as much as any other rifle loonie
I owe you, the stock looks good and have received compliments on the rig. One gent said its paint and birch, so if it gets dinged up or scratched just add more paint and change color if ya want.

My ruger American 22 wmr will shoot under MOA with 2 different loads. Think I'll stay with what works for now. .3" with hornady vmax and .6" with Winchester varmint ammo at a 100 yards. It shot about an inch or a hair over with Winchester 40 gr soft points as well. Nothing done for accuracy tinkering accept lightening the trigger to about a pound to 1 1/4lbs.

The only thing I don't like is when I miss I can't blame the gun!

I'm always more than happy to help people spend their money.

Well, no 17 WSM files offered this year from what I can see. I don’t see the caliber around in another 2 years.

My smith bought the Ruger in the laminate stock. Boy its a looker for sure. He got the shorter barrel version. He sighted it in on the worst of days, probably 30 MPH cross winds and still shot an inch group at 100yds.

[quote=Dultimatpredator]Well, no 17 WSM files offered this year from what I can see. I don’t see the caliber around in another 2 years. [/quot]

I'm not so sure. The HM2 has had less support but I find ammo on the shelves all the time.

Greg

savage doomed the 17wsm from the get go with the cheap pos rifle they sold a ton of.

Two options from Ruger.

https://ruger.com/products/77Series7717/models.html

I wish NEF would make a barrel to fit their rimfire frames. If they were as accurate as their 17hmr I own, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Ruger builds a classy looking rifle. Thats one with the walnut stock.

Thay sure do but how many people are going to spend a grand on a rimfire bolt action? If they were priced around $599 they’d prolly fly off the shelves and the caliber might have a chance. I’d buy one or two in a second if they made an American in the $350 price range.

No one pays suggested retail for a Ruger rifle. A $1K suggested retail price on a Ruger will generally translate into about $700+ on the street. I have a friend who bought one of the original style Ruger 17 WSM rifles not too long ago which was a stainless action and barrel (24" barrel) in a walnut stock. If I remember correctly he paid $745 OTD for it.

I notice that Ruger is no longer making that rifle but still has the two options shown.

Shocking! Lol

Lol back at ya'.

I'm simply pointing out that no one has to pay $1k for a Ruger rim fire bolt action rifle. In spite of what you stated:



Life would be great if all rifles were in the $350 range today, but they aren't. Some sell for $350 for a reason and others sell for more than that for a reason too.

My smith said he paid $750 for his Ruger in the laminate stock and IIRC the laminate is a little higher priced than the walnut version.

I'm guessing that a quick check of the Ruger web site will provide an answer to that.

FWIW - The original 77/17 17 WSM stainless/walnut rife I was talking about is no longer listed as being available in 2019.

I thought I saw the walnut version in an ad a few days ago. Maybe it was just a left over old stock or they hadn't marked it discontinued, IDK? Doesn't matter if they aren't available any longer as the laminate is a nice rifle too. I like the longer barrel version.

Looked again and its on the Ruger website. It didn't say discontinued.

Ruger doesn’t do a good job of updating their website very well. I believe they have the 41 mag super Blackhawk hunter on there as well as a special edition. No one has had them available anywhere and has been sold out for some time now. They’re long gone.

Probably very true. But If the walnut version was available, I'd be interested in one.

I'll try again, psycho....

At the link below there are currently three 77/17 rifles shown. One is a laminate stocked center fire stainless rifle in 17 Hornet. The other two rifles shown there are both rim fire 17 WSM rifles. One is a blued walnut model with a 20" sporter weight barrel. The other is the stainless laminate stocked rifle with an 18.5" slightly heavier barrel.

https://ruger.com/products/77Series7717/models.html

The rifle I referred to earlier that a friend bought is the original 77/17 rifle offered in 17 WSM. It was a stainless and walnut rifle with a 24" sporter weight barrel. It is no longer offered and it is no longer shown on the Ruger web site. It was there until early January, IIRC. If you are seeing something else at the link, you need to clean out your old cookies.

Even after reading the reviews and shooting my bosses bmag, I hoped on the boat two weeks ago and bought a hb ss bmag from a Walmart that had them for $320 out the door. I had been wanting to get a 17/223 or 20 practical from rich but life happens and I’m trying to save to open a business and have crap credit seeing I always pay cash for everything as I like to own, and this was a nice compromise since I don’t own any rim fires. It shoots better than the normal thin barrel. Action is sloppy and the bolt handle hits my scope when cycled. Hoping a single piece base and mid high rings fix this. Otherwise the weight is bearable and accuracy is good for 150-200 yards shooting sub moa with 20g cant find 25g locally atm. If anyone has suggestions on making this thing a little more appealing I’m all ears. IMO money well spent and I think it’ll stay.

Purchased ruger 17wsm because I want a little more reach than my 17 HMR. So far I've been very happy with the performance. I too was worried that ammo may be an issue if the round was discontinued so I purchased a few cases for future use.

Is yours the one with the plastic stock?If so a laminate from Boyd's is a good add on for the B-Mag or so I'm told.

I find it hard to believe the options for this cartridge are so limited. I bought a bmag when they first came out, was super excited about the cartridge. It wouldn't hold a 10" group at 100 yards. Savage replaced the rifle and I sold the replacement (was too disappointed in the first one), I would jump on one again if CZ made one. I've heard too many mixed things about the rugers and I can't make myself buy another bmag. As stated before I'd love it if CZ came out with one. Would be sweet to see Tikka make one too.

Don't forget about Franklin Armory. They aren't cheap, but they make a pretty nice 17 WSM complete upper you can slap on your AR lower, or, you can buy one of their complete 17 WSM rifles, too.

Eric Mayer has/does shoot more different 17 WSM rifles than anyone I know, and I think his "go to" 17 WSM is a Franklin Armory setup.

I looked at a B-mag at Wally World this afternoon. Stainless HB in the plastic stock. The plastic stock really was a turn off for me so I figure $300 for the rifle and another $150 for a stock. Think I'll wait on this one for a while. A guy there buying a hunting license told me I could kill coyotes out to 500 yards with that rifle. All I could say was "Really"?

You may have good luck trading the laminate stock after a purchase. I know I’d trade my walnut stock for a laminate version.

As long as the BS was flying, should have told him that was
50yds better than you can do with the hmr.

I ordered a .17 WSM barrel from MGM for my Encore, this caliber must be pretty popular because there are none in stock.

I hope so; it's the cat's meow for 'chucks in my Special Regulations area where centerfire is forbidden. My Savage Bmag has returned many 'chucks to their maker.

If I had the money I would buy the Volquarstin, that rifle just seems like the ticket to me.

My brother bought a bmag and he got rid of it quick. I would get a CZ in a heartbeat if available.

With all of the responses on this .17 WSM post, I don't think this round is going away!!!!

I remember back a few years after the WSM line came out, and all of the 300 WM fans predicted the WSM line would fade into obscurity. OK, so maybe the 7mm WSM and 325 WSM are holding on by a thread, but the 300 WSM, and the 270 WSM, are here to stay.

I predict the 17 WSM is also here to stay...unless someone comes out with a better faster rimfire cartridge. The issue with the 17 WSM is in order to get a decent shooting rifle, one has to spend more that the typical rimfire rifle cost to get a decent shooting rifle. If someone sold something like the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 in 17 WSM, and it shot minute of soda can, that would cement the future of the cartridge. Even a cheaper Savage BMag needs upgrades to get it to minute of soda can, in most cases. As an example, I won my Bmag, HB SS 17 WSM rifle at a DU Banquet. But to get it to shoot decent groups, I purchased a Boyds gray laminate thumbhole stock, and a picatinney rail scope mount, to help stiffen the action, and a few other tweaks. Now I can shoot marauding house sparrows, off my bluebird houses, at 100 yards, but if a factory gun did that, out of the box for $300-$400, there would be no speculation of the cartridge's future. But with that said, I have a life time of 17 WSM ammo hoarded away, just in case my crystal ball is lying to me.

Squeeze

We have a BMAG, which I hate. I love the .17 WSM though, so I shoot the rifle. But you're absolutely right, if one of the bigs would make a decent shooting reasonably priced rifle I think they'd sell the heck out of them. If Ruger chambered the American for .17 WSM today, I'd go buy at least one tomorrow.

I've already said it in this thread, but I agree. For the life of me I don't understand why they don't do it. They already have a good magazine design which is half of the battle. Maybe they are worried that a RAR wsm would cannibalize their 77/17 sales? I doubt that because 90% of the people that aren't buying 77/17's are just buying Bmags, it's a different market. Just like how they make both a Ranch and a Gunsight Scout in .450 Bushmaster, one is twice the price of the other because they are marketed towards different buyers.
A Ruger American in .17wsm that was accurate would obsolete the Bmag overnight. I refuse to buy a Bmag, and I refuse to buy a 77/17 and then pay to have it threaded only to find out that a RAR in .17wsm is being released 4 months later.

It's been awhile since anyone has commented on the 17 wsm. Currently, I am on my 4th. Started with a B-mag, then a Franklin AR-17, next a Ruger and now a Volquartsen. They all shot about the same, and it never made much difference which ammo I used. Prior to the WSM, I went thru 4, 17 HMRs. I shoot lots of prairie dogs and using a cartridge that I don't have to reload was a bonus. The downfall of the 17 HMR was the lack of range and knock down power. Longest shots were approximately 150 yards on calm days. The only positive aspect of the round was that it was relatively quiet. However, wind drift was a major factor with the 17 gr pellet. Now the 17 WSM has nearly double the range, and much more energy. I have taken prairie dogs at 300 yards, with little wind drift. Let me also mention that each of the guns mentioned had a 6.5x20 Leupold scope mounted on it, and I use a range finder. Also, shoot off a bench with sandbags. My biggest concern at this time is that people are going to give up on the little varmint round. This is and will always be a great varmint round. I've shot several coyotes with the 17 WSM, but I'm aware that bullet placement is critical. I hope more people get behind this excellent caliber.

I love my little 17 HMR Savage 93R17 GV. It was stacking P-dogs on the mounds last summer. Once the 50-125 range was cleaned out out came the 20 Practicals and we went way out with those. The 17 HMR definitely has a nitch and the 17 WSM would extend that nitch out a little further. I hope both the 17 HMR and the 17 WSM sticks around for a long time. Great "fun" rounds and perfect for those young ones that want to tag along with dad or G-pa. I think the Grandson might have to beg to get it away from G-pa.

Nope. The 17WSM is on it's way out...

Announced today: https://www.varminter.com/savage-arms-adds-17-wsm-to-its-a-series-rifle-line/

I gotta get me one if those.

Greg

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Ditto

I will take the non-thumbhole version please and make that ASAP. If it is accurate like my other A17 it will be a blast to have. It would make a great cat gun, coon calling gun, and plinker. I hope it's a legit thing. I wish they would have done the American rimfire instead, but I will take it.

Thanks
Jon

I just went to Savage's site and they have released information about their two new A17 rifles in 17 WSM. I have owned four different 17 WSM rifles, but I too am interested in this new offering. This should help to keep ammo available.

I might have to get into one of those also.

One and done for me. Sold mine and don't see much need for another. Nothing against them but nothing for them either.

i actually really like the 17wsm. and finally after 3 different savage rifles i got one that is pretty damm accurate.

i like the power it has and leaving the fired brass where it lands is also a plus.

Which ones have you tried and what was the one that you ended up with. Mine was a SS Heavy barrel. I tried several different things, even a Boyd's stock, but accuracy was just so-so.

all have been in the flimsy azz plastic stock.
#1 was a regular barrel. shot rounds in about a 5" circle
#2 was a heavy barrel. this one was twice as good as the first one but still not good.
#3 is a a heavy stainless. will keep bullets around an inch and half. only thing i have done to it is lighten the trigger.

Maybe mine shot better than I thought it did. Sometimes, well most of the time, I think rifles should shoot better than they do. Seems I think they should all shoot tiny little groups. Its slowly sinking in that all guns aren't created equal. You get spoiled shooting accurate rifles then when a rifle comes along that won't cut holes, you think its a POS when all along its doing all its meant to do. Maybe when the new A17's come out I'll give one another try. Other than busting pond turtles, I still don't know what I would do with it. But....busting pond turtles is fun.

ya know, maybe it shoots better than i said. i really dont remember. been a long, long time since i put it on paper. i will see if i still have some shot targets laying around.

My savage heavy barrel shoots 1 inch groups at 100. Great squirrel gun. Can't imagine why savage designed the bolt the way they did.

Ever since hearing about the 17WSM, I've wished it would have been
20WSM, picking up where Remington dropped the ball. And even though I'm
a Savage fan, they could have done a LOT better job with their first
rifle attempt....certainly not a good way to introduce a new round to
the consumer.

I know this is a year old but since Shot Show 2023 just wrapped up and you were there is there any word on what's going on with the ammo situation for the 17 WSM?

I'm not sure if Savage ever actually released any new A17 17WSM's for sale did they?

I haven't seen any, new stock, 17WSM ammo for almost two years now.

I've always been a big fan but things aren't looking good for just about anything 17WSM related.

i have about 6 cases and now nothing to shoot it with. maybe someday a good guy will bring my rifle back. ha,ha, yeah right.

Said it before and saying it again...they should have
made that same case, but with 20 caliber bullets if
they really wanted something new and different. Too many
of us were/are happy with our 17hmr's, and if it won't
do the job, we reach for a small CF caliber.

I agree and about from the start have said a 20 WSM shooting something like the Hornady 24gr NTX 3000fps would have been more appealing, to me, than yet another 17 cal rimfire cartridge.

That's nothing against the 17 WSM because I've been a big fan of it from the start but I would have been an even bigger fan of a 20 WSM.

But, then I'd probably just be even more disappointed when Winchester dropped the ball on something I really liked, like it appears they're doing with the 17 WSM.

Winchester needs to take some lessons from Hornady on how to properly promote and support their products because Winchester pretty much sucks at it and Hornady clearly has it figured out with the one exception being the 17HH. Hornady definitely has a lot of room for improvement supporting their 17HH but that's another top for another time.

If they were to bring out a 20 WSM I will have one

I was there when the 17HMR was introduced and I bought one. It was very difficult to buy ammo for a long time, because Hornady wasn't making enough of it. Store shelves were always empty, I had to order online when it was available. Took a few years to sort out the supply issue.

I'd like to get a JARD .17WSM upper. That thing looks pretty sweet. It'd be a prairie dog killin machine.

I'm sure they would be, IF, you could get any ammo to shoot in it but since 17WSM ammo has been nonexistent for going on two years now with no change in the ammo supply happening any time soon, it may not be a very good purchase for anyone.

It has to really suck for the folks that spent 4-5+ grand on those very nice custom Rimx 17WSM builds then have nothing to shoot in them.

I was kind of hoping there would be something, anything, talked about in regard to the 17 WSM after shot show 2023 but that's been over for a month now and I haven't heard a single word mentioned about, anything, 17 WSM related. Hope I'm wrong but it isn't looking very good for the 17 WSM or its future.

I picked up a few boxes of the 15 grain Winchester Varmint X for my buddies B-Mag a few months ago. I find it every now and then but I ain't seen any 20 or 25 grain bullets in a while. I'm sure it's still being made but I don't know that for a fact. I wonder if a guy could email Winchester and get a definitive answer?

Winchester hasn't made a run of 17 WSM in a longggg time so anything that is out there is old stock.

I did just read where someone got a response from Winchester claiming "we should" be making a production run of 17 WSM in March. Always makes me skeptical when I hear things like "we should" instead of, we are, so who really knows but they didn't say they weren't so there is still hope.

I was told at SHOT by Winchester, that they were doing a run of 20 grain that week and 25 grain would happen in a couple of months.

Btw, Franklin Armory is having a hard time keeping their new version F17s in stock. Selling the heck out of them!

That's interesting. Someone posted a email response from "Product Service Manager Winchester Ammunition" on RFC where they said "We should be making a production run in March of product# S17W20 (the 17 WSM 20gr polymer tipped bullet)."

If a third person asked they'd probably get a, third, different response which is surprising considering manufacturers never fib to us. LOL

I went to a local gun show today and saw quite a bit of WSM ammo on the tables. Around $20 a box.

You should have bought it then resold it for 25-30 bucks a box.

A few of my friends need some 20 gr.

The life of a cartridge is determined by the rifle manufacturers. They don't make a rifle for it, it will soon be a distant memory.

We should start a pool. I'll choose the last week of March and the first week of April for the 20 grainers. Problem is, will they be able to manufacture enough to keep up with the huge demand there is right now?

Really makes me glad I stocked up on several thousand of the 20 grainers from Hornady and Winchester before this shortage hit. Thought it was way overkill at the time but couldn't have foreseen it going on 2-3 years without more supply. Hopefully Eric is right and production is just delayed but will start again in the near future.

I take back everything I said about timeline. I was informed today that it's been pushed back again...

I've got plenty, but I feel for those who don't. Sucks.

Didn't you have end of March in the pool? Dang it, I knew I should have bet you, that'd been easy money. lol

I wonder how many asked if the 223 or the 30-06 was here to stay? I'd bet back in the day the same questions were asked about many different cartridges. My thought is its here. Maybe not be flying off the shelves and ammo is a little tough to find but its here already and probably not going anywhere. I still see ammo and NIB rifles for sale and companies are still making them do I'd have to say, ya, its here to stay.